If the Palestinians actually gained control of all Israel, would there actually be peace?

[surada]

Actually, no, it's a terrible buffer. Normally, the Persians and Arabs have no real love for each other. The Arabs are Sunnis, the Persians are Shi'ites. They've been fighting each other since the death of Mohammed's heirs.

Yes, the Iranians HAVE gained power in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon- all countries with large Shi'ite communities, and where the US and Israel have weakened the states they had.

Sounds like you want to blame Iran for our fuckups.



Sure, I can. the rest of those things are minor. the problem with Empires is that they are temporary. Empires rise, Empires fall, the people go on. Since the Romans dispersed the Jews in the second century, Palestine has been part of the Roman, Byzantine, Sassanid, Rashidun, Umayid, Abbasid, Fatamid, Crusader States, Ayubbid, Ottoman and British Empires. The people remained... pretty much the same. Until the Zionist squatters started pushing them off their land.



Wait, isn't this what you fuckwads said about Iraq 20 years ago. We take care of Saddam, everyone will love the Zionist Entity?

Clean Break Strategy was all for the US attacking Iraq and destabilizing Syria.

 

[surada]

Actually, no, it's a terrible buffer. Normally, the Persians and Arabs have no real love for each other. The Arabs are Sunnis, the Persians are Shi'ites. They've been fighting each other since the death of Mohammed's heirs.

Yes, the Iranians HAVE gained power in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon- all countries with large Shi'ite communities, and where the US and Israel have weakened the states they had.

Sounds like you want to blame Iran for our fuckups.



Sure, I can. the rest of those things are minor. the problem with Empires is that they are temporary. Empires rise, Empires fall, the people go on. Since the Romans dispersed the Jews in the second century, Palestine has been part of the Roman, Byzantine, Sassanid, Rashidun, Umayid, Abbasid, Fatamid, Crusader States, Ayubbid, Ottoman and British Empires. The people remained... pretty much the same. Until the Zionist squatters started pushing them off their land.



Wait, isn't this what you fuckwads said about Iraq 20 years ago. We take care of Saddam, everyone will love the Zionist Entity?

Iran wasn't a problem for anyone until the US screwed up the Mossadeeg.

Israel bought all their oil from Iran until 1979.

 

[surada]

I still dont think there would be peace. Iran would the want to expand the Muslim empire to at least control Britain and France more completely. With no Israel in the way all the Arab nations would also feel emboldened and that entire coast of the Mediterranean could then be used as a base of terror. As it is now,
Israel is a good buffer

Horseshit. Iran is a huge country. Israel is an albatross.

 

[surada]

This question is again for those supporters of Hamas/ Palestinians who feel that Israel is not justified in taking the fight
to Hamas on their own ground.

My question, is do you really think that when you see all over the world right now the mindset of Palestinians as there are senseless knife attacks on innocent people in the host countries of these Palestinians, there could actually be peace with them? They dont demonstrate the will to coexist with other people and in my opinion, even if they controlled all of Palestine, they would simply then be looking for the next target that offends them. Be it the taking over of Britain, France or the U.S.

As I see it, Israel is currently the filter through which most of the Islamic hatred is flowing. Remove that filter and the destructiveness will then grow and metastasize into the other regions. I base this also on the open glee that you witness every time Innocents are killed by terrorists. Its celebrated and such a way of life, I cant see them ever putting it away until you take away their victories completely. Unfortunately we are dealing with a 14th century mindset.

They don't want all of Palestine.. that's another Israeli lie to justify theft and murder.

 

[Yarddog]

They don't want all of Palestine.. that's another Israeli lie to justify theft and murder.

Then why did the Palestinians walk away from the 2008 peace accords? it could have been settled then.
Israel does not murder civilians. They are not targeted purposely, and if someone does target them purposly they are punished. You cant really negotiate with people who come in and cut your women and childrens throats and then kidnap them. That is the negotiation Hamas used, now they want the world to get them a cease fire by immediately playing the victim.

 

[JoeB131]

Then why did the Palestinians walk away from the 2008 peace accords? it could have been settled then.
Israel does not murder civilians. They are not targeted purposely, and if someone does target them purposly they are punished. You cant really negotiate with people who come in and cut your women and childrens throats and then kidnap them. That is the negotiation Hamas used, now they want the world to get them a cease fire by immediately playing the victim.

They are targeting Hospitals, Schools and Aparment buildings.

How could they not kill civilians, you twat

The Palestinians walked away from the 2008 accords because they were bullshit.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

They are targeting Hospitals, Schools and Aparment [sic] buildings.

The cowardly Palestinians are launching attacks from hospitals, schools, and apartment buildings, hiding behind their noncombatants, and setting it up so that Israel can do nothing to defend itself without targeting those sites, and killing a lot of noncombatants along with the combatants. Israel has no choice but to attack the sites from which attacks are being launched against them.

The Palestinians, on the other hand, are intentionally targeting noncombatants, even though Israel is not, as the cowardly Palestinians are, hiding behind their noncombatants.

Of course, being a proud descendant of Nazi filth, you'll take the side of your own kind, that hatefully murder Jews, just for being Jews.

 

[JoeB131]

The cowardly Palestinians are launching attacks from hospitals, schools, and apartment buildings, hiding behind their noncombatants, and setting it up so that Israel can do nothing to defend itself without targeting those sites, and killing a lot of noncombatants along with the combatants. Israel has no choice but to attack the sites from which attacks are being launched against them.

Actually, Israel can do a lot of things that don't involve bombing apartment buildings, schools, and hospitals. The terror is the point.

The Palestinians, on the other hand, are intentionally targeting noncombatants, even though Israel is not, as the cowardly Palestinians are, hiding behind their noncombatants.

Of course, being a proud descendant of Nazi filth, you'll take the side of your own kind, that hatefully murder Jews, just for being Jews.

Quite the contrary, my family left before the Nazis took power. On the other hand, you still belong to a deranged cult started by kiddy-diddlers.

Israel is absolutely targeting civilians. Why would they ask them to leave (knowing they have nowhere to go.)

Gaza is smaller than Chicago in area. You can't bomb it without hitting civilians, and the Zionists know this.

 

[JohnDB]

This question is again for those supporters of Hamas/ Palestinians who feel that Israel is not justified in taking the fight
to Hamas on their own ground.

My question, is do you really think that when you see all over the world right now the mindset of Palestinians as there are senseless knife attacks on innocent people in the host countries of these Palestinians, there could actually be peace with them? They dont demonstrate the will to coexist with other people and in my opinion, even if they controlled all of Palestine, they would simply then be looking for the next target that offends them. Be it the taking over of Britain, France or the U.S.

As I see it, Israel is currently the filter through which most of the Islamic hatred is flowing. Remove that filter and the destructiveness will then grow and metastasize into the other regions. I base this also on the open glee that you witness every time Innocents are killed by terrorists. Its celebrated and such a way of life, I cant see them ever putting it away until you take away their victories completely. Unfortunately we are dealing with a 14th century mindset.

No there wouldn't....

Europe and the USA would be new targets though.

And the Palestinians would turn Israel into the garbage dump that is the West Bank or Gaza is now.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Gaza is smaller than Chicago in area. You can't bomb it without hitting civilians, and the Zionists know this.

So do the Palestinians. That's why they launch their cowardly attacks from there. They know that Israel can do nothing to retaliate or to defend themselves, without noncombatants being killed; which the Palestinians then can exploit for propaganda purposes.

That's why the Palestinians specifically set up their attacks from such sites as hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, or anything that is rich in civilians.

 

[JoeB131]

No there wouldn't....

Europe and the USA would be new targets though.

And the Palestinians would turn Israel into the garbage dump that is the West Bank or Gaza is now.

Europe and the US are only targets because of our own policies.

When Bin Laden listed his reasons for 9/11, he cited three things. Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, American sanctions against Iraq that were killing hundreds of thousands, and American occupation of Saudi Arabia.

While THIS DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE ATTACKS, these were LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS the Islamic world had against the West.

Our policy over there is to stick our hands in the hornet's nest and complain about getting stung. That is when we aren't cultivating bigger, nastier hornets.

The CIA funded Bin Laden and promoted Saddam, and then were surprised when they turned on us. Likewise, Bibi enabled Hamas to act as a foil against Fatah and the Palestinian Authority for over a decade so he wouldn't have to negotiate in good faith.

Let's stop aggravating the Hornets, just for a change in pace.

 

[JoeB131]

So do the Palestinians. That's why they launch their cowardly attacks from there. They know that Israel can do nothing to retaliate or to defend themselves, without noncombatants being killed; which the Palestinians then can exploit for propaganda purposes.

That's why the Palestinians specifically set up their attacks from such sites as hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, or anything that is rich in civilians.

Then Israel shouldn't take the bait.

But they will, and most of the world will turn on them the first time we see a baby being pulled out of the rubble.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Then Israel shouldn't take the bait.
But they will, and most of the world will turn on them the first time we see a baby being pulled out of the rubble.

The alternative would be to allow the Palestinians to murder Israelis with no restraint, and no consequences.

But again, coming from your proud Nazi heritage, the idea of Jews being slaughtered so easily surely sounds to you like a good thing.

 

[Yarddog]

No there wouldn't....

Europe and the USA would be new targets though.

And the Palestinians would turn Israel into the garbage dump that is the West Bank or Gaza is now.

Yes , I kinda think thats exactly what would happen. The palestinian people would remain just as poor as they are now.

 

[JohnDB]

Europe and the US are only targets because of our own policies.

When Bin Laden listed his reasons for 9/11, he cited three things. Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, American sanctions against Iraq that were killing hundreds of thousands, and American occupation of Saudi Arabia.

While THIS DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE ATTACKS, these were LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS the Islamic world had against the West.

Our policy over there is to stick our hands in the hornet's nest and complain about getting stung. That is when we aren't cultivating bigger, nastier hornets.

The CIA funded Bin Laden and promoted Saddam, and then were surprised when they turned on us. Likewise, Bibi enabled Hamas to act as a foil against Fatah and the Palestinian Authority for over a decade so he wouldn't have to negotiate in good faith.

Let's stop aggravating the Hornets, just for a change in pace.

Not valid complaints...not even close.
Convenient targets? yes.
Valid targets? No

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Nevermind what people say. People say all kinds of crap. Doesn't mean that their words match their actions. Few people's words ever match their actions. Bin Laden was no different. His words and actions didn't match either. He had many opportunities to address his complaints in a very reasonable manner and ignored every one of those opportunities for territory activities.

And the PLO/PLA?
They just want to be in charge of vast wealth and everyone. Even if Israel moved everyone out of Israel they would want reparations...and when every Jew had given them all of their wealth they would still want money to fund them some more....and then still ask for more. And all of "Palestine" would still be a cesspool like it is now.

These people just want money at the expense of everyone else. They don't love their land...because it isn't theirs. It shows in every aspect of their life and lifestyle and actions.

 

[JoeB131]

The alternative would be to allow the Palestinians to murder Israelis with no restraint, and no consequences.

Or they work out a sensible, two-state solution with Fatah, which is what Bibi has refused to even try to do in the last 14 years.

You do realize the only reason why Hamas was empowered was because Bibi allowed it to be, right? That he allowed funds and resources to be shipped to Gaza so he could honestly say, "Fatah and the Palestinian Authority doesn't speak for all Palestinians, so why should I negotiate with them."

But again, coming from your proud Nazi heritage, the idea of Jews being slaughtered so easily surely sounds to you like a good thing.

It's wrong when the Nazis killed the Jews.
It's wrong when the Zionists killed the Palestinians.
It's wrong when the Mormons killed the Francher Party.

See how that works, buddy.

 

[JoeB131]

Nevermind what people say. People say all kinds of crap. Doesn't mean that their words match their actions. Few people's words ever match their actions. Bin Laden was no different. His words and actions didn't match either. He had many opportunities to address his complaints in a very reasonable manner and ignored every one of those opportunities for territory activities.

And the PLO/PLA?
They just want to be in charge of vast wealth and everyone. Even if Israel moved everyone out of Israel they would want reparations...and when every Jew had given them all of their wealth they would still want money to fund them some more....and then still ask for more. And all of "Palestine" would still be a cesspool like it is now.

These people just want money at the expense of everyone else. They don't love their land...because it isn't theirs. It shows in every aspect of their life and lifestyle and actions.

You are making a lot of assumptions about what MIGHT happen.

You realize, much of the Arab world IS prosperous because they have control of their own resources.

If Palestine is a slum, it's because the Zionists have herded them into the most undesirable parts of the country. Just like most European Jews lived in Ghettos (which is where the term originally comes from, to describe Jewish areas of European cities) because the Christians forced them to live there.

When I see a Zionist, I see an abused child who has become big enough to beat up on someone else, and they kind of lose any sympathy at that point.

 

[TheParser]

OH, I'm sure the Palestinians will fight among themselves if the Zionists left.

Bingo!

If the Palestinians took over all of Israel, the country would just become another Syria or Egypt or Yemen or Iran.

In other words: another dysfunctional and dictatorial Middle Eastern entity.

 

[JohnDB]

You are making a lot of assumptions about what MIGHT happen.

You realize, much of the Arab world IS prosperous because they have control of their own resources.

If Palestine is a slum, it's because the Zionists have herded them into the most undesirable parts of the country. Just like most European Jews lived in Ghettos (which is where the term originally comes from, to describe Jewish areas of European cities) because the Christians forced them to live there.

When I see a Zionist, I see an abused child who has become big enough to beat up on someone else, and they kind of lose any sympathy at that point.

The jews in Israel are very proud of their country. It is demonstrated by everyone, everywhere. They each, individually take responsibility even for picking up litter in the street. (Of course they argue about it....arguing is very jewish)

They farmed sand and made Israel lush and green when it was nothing but a desert. There are flowers everywhere today with colors so bright it hurts to look at them. They proudly speak of their roles and their parents and their grandparents roles in building Israel ever since the 1948 declaration. The 2 year compulsory service is not that compulsory...they really all want to do it. And then go to college to get a STEM degree so they can build more. Everyone wants to help build their society and nation. They own their world.


Then you look at the Palestinians side....because the fence is everywhere...and you see trash, shacks, and crap spread everywhere. There is no foliage, nothing but people trying to con you out of money....one con artist after another. Sure the speakers sound at prayer times but they go largely ignored. They prey upon their own if they get half a chance. The children are everywhere because the Palestinians have outlawed birth control for women...and Muslim men have no compunction about marriage or treating or women like property.

 

[Pete7469]

Yes.....there would be peace because they would murder every Jew they could get their hands on.....that is why Isreal can never find peace with the muslims.

No there wouldn't. Even if the moose limbs wiped EVERYONE ELSE OUT, they would start killing each other over beard length.