If Only This Was Sent...

[Jimmyeatworld]

Unable to debate the issues...you withdraw into dumb silence.

Dude, I've been seeing your ignorant shit for a long time. You don't debate anyway. Pull the corn cob out of your ass and move along.

 

[Jimmyeatworld]

Lying about consensual sex in the Oval Office IS NOT the moral equivalent of lying about the rational for war...of lying about spying on US citizens...

If you're not angry about this Administration's moral bankruptcy, perhaps your own moral compass needs a bit of re-calibration.

Problem is nobody lied about going to war and nobody lied about "spying on U.S. citizens". Your reality compass is what needs calibration. If you want to lie to yourself and be your own Michael Moore, go right ahead, but don't expect anyone here to fall in line with you.

 

[sitarro]

I would love to know who or what you, Bully, feels is intellectually superior enough to guide this country and in which way it should go. Let's here it Bully, you are in charge, what does the United States need to do right now to get the country in line with your vision. What is your vision of the correct United States? Remember, this isn't fantasy time, you have a finite amount of money, you have the rest of the world to deal with, economies need to be respected, reality needs to be followed as far as energy needs and what it truely available to you to work with, not pie in the sky fantasy ideas that may or may not work for a host of reasons. You also have the freedoms of the people to deal with, the freedom of our Capitalist society and the freedom of it's citizenship to create their own wealth by using the talents and abilities that belong to them as individuals all the while protecting them and our allies from harm that those that don't agree with you or our way of life.

Let's here it Bully, impress us all with your genius. I know it actually takes real creative thought rather than the childish insulting of the people who have the responsibilty and the daunting task of running this country 24 hours a day, all the while having to answer to imbeciles like Helen Thomas and the rest of the ignorant media looking for the latest "gotcha story".

That is my challenge to you or for that matter Jilian, jasendorf, 1549, Dr. Grump, liberallogic or any of you other Bush administration haters. Here is your chance to run the country and let all of us know what needs to happen. Since I haven't heard any coherent thought from the entire elected and wannabe Democrats ever, I don't expect anything from any of you guys but who knows, maybe we can all be surprised. Unfortunately I would guess that all we will here is the lonely cricketts chirping.

If this should be moved to a different thread I trust our ever diligent mods to do whatever needs to be done....thanks in advance.

 

[Dr Grump]

That is my challenge to you or for that matter Jilian, jasendorf, 1549, Dr. Grump, liberallogic or any of you other Bush administration haters. Here is your chance to run the country and let all of us know what needs to happen.

What a very basic question. Go back to the US between 1992-2000. It's all there for you to see....carry on!

 

[sitarro]

What a very basic question. Go back to the US between 1992-2000. It's all there for you to see....carry on!

Exactly what I expected, nothing realistic, creative, or even addressing the problems this country faces today....cute.

Are those crickets I hear?

 

[Dr Grump]

Exactly what I expected, nothing realistic, creative, or even addressing the problems this country faces today....cute.

Are those crickets I hear?

Your boy created the problems...how about enlightening us...

 

[sitarro]

Your boy created the problems...how about enlightening us...

Just as I thought and stated with the challenge, no ideas, no creative thought, no plan.....you could run for office on the Democrat ticket, you are certainly no worse than any of the empty suits that have nothing but shallow criticism of the President from the left.

 

[Dr Grump]

Just as I thought and stated with the challenge, no ideas, no creative thought, no plan.....you could run for office on the Democrat ticket, you are certainly no worse than any of the empty suits that have nothing but shallow criticism of the President from the left.

Ok...tell me the problems..specifically...

 

[sitarro]

Ok...tell me the problems..specifically...

I think my challenge was quite clear, you are given the keys to the white house, what would you do today, now, this year, not a decade ago.

I like the President, although I would like to see him take charge of the borders and stop more nonskilled sponges from coming here to take advantage of this country's generosity, I understand enough to realize he has an enormous amount of information coming at him 24 hours a day. He has life or death decisions that can have rippling repercussions across the globe that he has to live with everyday. Really not a problem for a low life liar and cheat like Bill Clinton but a very heavy burden for an honest caring guy like President Bush. So I reserve my criticism for garbage like that womanizing rapist that we know all about(Bill Clinton). I find it amazing that you can't see through his simpleton aw shucks charm and understand the detrimental effect he has had on our country and it's people.

 

[jillian]

I think my challenge was quite clear, you are given the keys to the white house, what would you do today, now, this year, not a decade ago.

I like the President, although I would like to see him take charge of the borders and stop more nonskilled sponges from coming here to take advantage of this country's generosity, I understand enough to realize he has an enormous amount of information coming at him 24 hours a day. He has life or death decisions that can have rippling repercussions across the globe that he has to live with everyday. Really not a problem for a low life liar and cheat like Bill Clinton but a very heavy burden for an honest caring guy like President Bush. So I reserve my criticism for garbage like that womanizing rapist that we know all about(Bill Clinton). I find it amazing that you can't see through his simpleton aw shucks charm and understand the detrimental effect he has had on our country and it's people.

Mind if I jump in? If I were in the white house, the first thing I'd do is get diverse information so I don't have a bunch of yes-men around me and I could make rational assessments.

Can't undo the mistakes in Iraq, and can't just walk away leaving things as they are, so I'd speak to those retired generals to see what the MILITARY folk recommend instead of Rumsfeld and the other civilians.

I'd also undo the first Executive Order that Bush did, prohibiting international funding for any organization that even mentions abortion as an option.

I'd stop my FCC from harassing broadcasters and realize that while there have to be community standards, there are things that aren't a huge deal, and I certainly wouldn't allow any discussion about censorship of pay to view or pay to listen media.

I'd realize that using the National Guard to defend the borders is goofy and a waste of States' money since by the time they're trained properly during their two-week stint, the next batch will have to come in. So I'd hire more INS agents and enforce EXISTING immigration laws before I tried re-vamping the whole system without thought about what works and what doesn't.

I'd balance the budget, but not on the backs of people getting student loans and Pell grants. First I'd make sure that there were no more "bridge to no where" type projects.

I'd get rid of the new rule that if a student has a drug conviction anywhere in their past they automatically lose their pell grants. Heck, convicted murderers aren't subject to the law, so who cares if some kid got high? It shouldn't ruin the rest of his/her life.

I'm sure I'll think of more stuff, but that's all I have for now.

That was fun.

Oh...as for Bush, what surprises me is that a certain segment of the population can't see through the fact that this is the 10th generation child of wealth and privilege, born in Connecticut, and all the down home Texas good ole boy stuff is er... well, just put on.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Dude, I've been seeing your ignorant shit for a long time. You don't debate anyway. Pull the corn cob out of your ass and move along.

One good turn deserves another...

Why don't you give your ears a good tug and pop your head out of your ass and move along.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Problem is nobody lied about going to war and nobody lied about "spying on U.S. citizens". Your reality compass is what needs calibration. If you want to lie to yourself and be your own Michael Moore, go right ahead, but don't expect anyone here to fall in line with you.

Ummm...Can't string two thoughts together in consecutive sentences? But more to the point, the Bush Administration's rationale for the war in Iraq has morphed some 26 times...It may be more by now. The Downing Street Memos prove that the Administration was "...Fixing the facts around the policy..." of war with Iraq. Former Bush cabinet members and government officials have stated, for the public record, that the Bush Administration was fixated on Iraq from day one of its assumtion of office. The administration fabricated, out of whole cloth, links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.

The evidence is there, you are unwilling to see it. Were DUbbyuh to be caught strangling a girl scout on the White House lawn, you would likely just shake your head and say, "She deserved it." The only way you, and others would renounce support for Dubbyuh would be if he were caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl.

 

[sitarro]

Ummm...Can't string two thoughts together in consecutive sentences? But more to the point, the Bush Administration's rationale for the war in Iraq has morphed some 26 times...It may be more by now. The Downing Street Memos prove that the Administration was "...Fixing the facts around the policy..." of war with Iraq. Former Bush cabinet members and government officials have stated, for the public record, that the Bush Administration was fixated on Iraq from day one of its assumtion of office. The administration fabricated, out of whole cloth, links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein.

The evidence is there, you are unwilling to see it. Were DUbbyuh to be caught strangling a girl scout on the White House lawn, you would likely just shake your head and say, "She deserved it." The only way you, and others would renounce support for Dubbyuh would be if he were caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl.

How incredibly original, that is the first time I have seen that post .....today. Room 53 needs a spongue bath and their bedpan emptied Bully.....run along now.

 

[sitarro]

Mind if I jump in? If I were in the white house, the first thing I'd do is get diverse information so I don't have a bunch of yes-men around me and I could make rational assessments.

What does this mean, how would you know what comes across the desk of the President and from whom? What diverse information, from whom?

Can't undo the mistakes in Iraq, and can't just walk away leaving things as they are, so I'd speak to those retired generals to see what the MILITARY folk recommend instead of Rumsfeld and the other civilians.

What mistakes would you undo? Why would you give a crap what a bunch of retired Generals have to say? Ask any real military person and you will find most feel that Generals are nothing but military politicians with little knowledge of current combat situations. Talk to retired Generals and you will get useless crap from civilians who have been that much further away from current combat techniques. As for berating Rumsfeld for being a civilian, that is just silly. What makes you think that President Bush and Mr. Rumsfeld aren't listenung to the military?

I'd also undo the first Executive Order that Bush did, prohibiting international funding for any organization that even mentions abortion as an option.

This is important?

I'd stop my FCC from harassing broadcasters and realize that while there have to be community standards, there are things that aren't a huge deal, and I certainly wouldn't allow any discussion about censorship of pay to view or pay to listen media.

I'll agree on the useless FCC but I really don't see this as that important at this time.

I'd realize that using the National Guard to defend the borders is goofy and a waste of States' money since by the time they're trained properly during their two-week stint, the next batch will have to come in. So I'd hire more INS agents and enforce EXISTING immigration laws before I tried re-vamping the whole system without thought about what works and what doesn't.

How about fineing the shit out of any business, hospital, apartment complex, or politician (looking for a nanny) if they have any contact with an illegal fugitive. It's called aiding a fugitive.

I'd balance the budget, but not on the backs of people getting student loans and Pell grants. First I'd make sure that there were no more "bridge to no where" type projects.

I guess you would pull out that special Presidential magic wand right? Whay about your friends in Congress, they will be stuck listening to that uduot Byrd talk about his dog for hours upon hours until they just shoot themselves. Do you really think you have that type of time as President to review every poorly written bill?

I'd get rid of the new rule that if a student has a drug conviction anywhere in their past they automatically lose their pell grants. Heck, convicted murderers aren't subject to the law, so who cares if some kid got high? It shouldn't ruin the rest of his/her life.

I agree but just doesn't seem like a d great importance.

I'm sure I'll think of more stuff, but that's all I have for now.

That was fun.

Oh...as for Bush, what surprises me is that a certain segment of the population can't see through the fact that this is the 10th generation child of wealth and privilege, born in Connecticut, and all the down home Texas good ole boy stuff is er... well, just put on.

Funny, living in Texas I have met a number of people that are personal friends of the President and his parents, none of them agree with you. I do see a guy with the means to live anywhere and hang around with the highest in society and yet his favorite place is his modest house on a ranch in rural Texas with his wife.....what an elitist scoundrel!!!

 

[Bullypulpit]

How incredibly original, that is the first time I have seen that post .....today. Room 53 needs a spongue bath and their bedpan emptied Bully.....run along now.

Your responses grow more inane, and your insults, while more personal, remain childish.

But your problem is obvious...The nurse in Labor & Delivery made a terrible mistake when you were born. She threw out the baby, leaving you...the after-birth.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

^^^ He said there weren't any lies about going to war, which is true. They made it quite clear there was going to be a war. The lies were about our motivations for going to war. There's a big difference there, so get it right, Mister!

Exactly what I expected, nothing realistic, creative, or even addressing the problems this country faces today....cute.

Are those crickets I hear?

Well, for starters...

:takes a big breath:

1) Withdraw all troops from Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Italy, Japan, etc. etc. until all american troops are on american soil, not scattered across 140-something countries.

2) Put troops on borders

3) Repeal all sanctions and trade tariffs. All countries will be treated equally with regards to trade. Any tariffs will be a single, low amount.

4) Cut all foreign aid, including funding revolutions in other countries

5) Big cuts in big ticket military items, since our main threat is laughably low-tech

6) US currency backed by gold, if there is any left in Fort Knox that is. Abolishment of the US federal reserve system and fractional reserve banking.

7) No more war on drugs, no more FDA, no more of Bush's socialist prescription drugs benefit program, no more medicaid

8) About 8 or more federal departments abolished entirely.

9) Massive auction to sell off unconstitutional federal holdings--mainly vacant land and the interstate highway system. Proceeds will go to fund social security obligations, which will then be abolished.

10) Income tax abolished, and replaced with nothing

11) No more wire-tapping, it won't catch any terrorists. Even if you don't believe the Bushies would use it to keep tabs on political opponents, you can bet your bottom dollar that future administrations will. Imagine a Clinton 2.0 administration with that kind of power.

12) New constitutional amendment: "The federal government is a creation of the states. As such, the right of any state to secede for any reason shall not be abridged".

I'm probably leaving some stuff out, but that would be enough to keep me busy my first day or so.

 

[sitarro]

Your responses grow more inane, and your insults, while more personal, remain childish.

But your problem is obvious...The nurse in Labor & Delivery made a terrible mistake when you were born. She threw out the baby, leaving you...the after-birth.

I guess this is why you have decided not to anwer my challenge right bullpull-it? Room 66 needs a hemorrhoid lanced, hop to it.

 

[sitarro]

^^^ He said there weren't any lies about going to war, which is true. They made it quite clear there was going to be a war. The lies were about our motivations for going to war. There's a big difference there, so get it right, Mister!



Well, for starters...

:takes a big breath:

1) Withdraw all troops from Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Italy, Japan, etc. etc. until all american troops are on american soil, not scattered across 140-something countries.

2) Put troops on borders

3) Repeal all sanctions and trade tariffs. All countries will be treated equally with regards to trade. Any tariffs will be a single, low amount.

4) Cut all foreign aid, including funding revolutions in other countries

5) Big cuts in big ticket military items, since our main threat is laughably low-tech

6) US currency backed by gold, if there is any left in Fort Knox that is. Abolishment of the US federal reserve system and fractional reserve banking.

7) No more war on drugs, no more FDA, no more of Bush's socialist prescription drugs benefit program, no more medicaid

8) About 8 or more federal departments abolished entirely.

9) Massive auction to sell off unconstitutional federal holdings--mainly vacant land and the interstate highway system. Proceeds will go to fund social security obligations, which will then be abolished.

10) Income tax abolished, and replaced with nothing

11) No more wire-tapping, it won't catch any terrorists. Even if you don't believe the Bushies would use it to keep tabs on political opponents, you can bet your bottom dollar that future administrations will. Imagine a Clinton 2.0 administration with that kind of power.

12) New constitutional amendment: "The federal government is a creation of the states. As such, the right of any state to secede for any reason shall not be abridged".

I'm probably leaving some stuff out, but that would be enough to keep me busy my first day or so.

Wow ,

Nothing simpleton about that.......you demonstrate such a vast knowledge of how the Presidency works....... I guess you missed the fact that it was about a Presidency not a dictatorship. You go vote liberatarian now, K? :teeth:

 

[manu1959]

That's the best you can do? Peurile insults that pass for argument...? The moral and intellectual banckruptcy of the Bush Administration and its supporters are why America is going to hell in a handbasket.

if there is no god there is no hell so we will be just fine.....i am sure that everthing will be better once the dems win an election.

 

[Bullypulpit]

I guess this is why you have decided not to anwer my challenge right bullpull-it? Room 66 needs a hemorrhoid lanced, hop to it.

Ohhh...That ...I'm not accustomed to seeing you string so many words together. Did your mommy or daddy help you?

Here's your answer...

Give the franchise only to those who have volunteered to serve the country, whether it be in the military, a Civilian Conservation Corps type program, the Peace Corps, City Year...Any service which demonstrates a willingness to put their interests aside or place themselves in harms way for the greater good of the nation. No one else gets the vote...You want to play, you gotta pay with your time and possibly your life, no exceptions.