If Jefferson founded the Republican Party what place do Democrats have in America?

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  1. EdwardBaiamonte
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    Really, it would seem they have little place in America given that their ideas about big government are the opposite of the basic Constitutional idea of limited central government formalized by our founders.

    FDR was really the first liberal Democrat and his New Deal was mostly leftist inspired, not America inspired, as his choice of Henry Wallace, Alger Hiss and the others would indicate. Now they have Obama who had two communist parents and voted to the left of Bernie Sanders. How can we conclude that Democrats are anything but a genuine Trojan Horse on American soil? I have yet to hear an answer to this.
     
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    If Jefferson founded the Republican Party, then Democrats are the green cheese that drips to Earth from the Moon, granting paranormal powers to modern liberal politicians along with the gift of prophecy, immortal life and bullet-proof skin. Democrats would then never lose an election, and would in fact be a superior race of beings who could only be challenged by superheroes from the Interstellar League of Justice.

    However, of course Jefferson didn't found the Republican Party, so none of that is true -- thank God!
     
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    I like the evidence a liberal uses!! It will not even occur to a liberal to have evidence!!

    WIKI: The Democratic-Republican Party or Republican Party was an American political party founded in the early 1790s by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Political scientists use the former name, even though there is no known use of it in the 1790's, while historians prefer the latter one; contemporaries generally called the party the "Republicans", along with many other names. In a broader sense the party was the concrete realization of Jeffersonian democracy, i.e., continued aggressive opposition to the British monarchy, opposition to monarchy and strong central government in general, celebration of individual freedom and liberty from strong central government, and state's rights.
     
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    Republican Party - Conservapedia

    The Democratic Party was the home to the conservatives until the middle 1960's. Then the liberals from the Republican Party moved to the Democratic Party and the conservatives in the Democratic Party moved to the Republican Party. You can read about it at a number of places, including, oddly enough, "Conservapedia". I posted a link above.

    The Republican Party today maintains a racial make up of about 90% white. For a reason.
     
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    Actually FDR was the greatest liberal in American History in the
    1930's


    yes they have been brainwashed to think the government that enslaved them is now their best friend. Liberal targeting of blacks starting in the 1960's amounted to a near genocide. Now you can understand what Reagan meant when he said, "isn't welfare a from of slavery"
     
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    you, sir, are a fucking maroon :lol:
     
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    Even today's Democratic Party has conservatives because they are a coalition party. Liberals aren't allowed in today's Republican Party. They are as welcome as the gays.
     
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    if so why be so afraid to present your evidence? What does your fear tell you?
     
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    any evidence or just playing the race card again ? Evidence does not occur to a liberal.
     
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    FDR took office when the economy was bad, he took advantage of the desperate people and enacted all his progressive policies during the crisis, all of which failed. Only a world war and the creation of the 'industrial military complex' brought the US out of it.

    FDR had no qualms about circumventing the constitution. When many of his New Deal legislation started to be undone by Congress and the Supreme Court, he tried to add more justices to the Supreme Court in order to fill it with a bunch of progressive hacks that would rule in his favor. Thankfully his attempt failed.

    Obama is trying his best to mimic FDR. He's used the 'economic crisis' to pass 'stimulous' bills which were nothing more than slush funds for his cronies. He circumvents Congress whenever it suits him. And he is already trying to stir up more wars in the Middle East.
     
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    What place do Democrats have in America?

    We could start with putting them all in privately own and run "for profit" prison camps. Then, after being properly re-educated on the benefits of limited government and taking personal responsibility for ones own life, they could be reintroduced into society.....:lol:
     
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    Your ignorance is only surpassed by your partisanship.
     
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    Of course if ignorant you would not be so afraid to explain exactly why you feel that way.
     
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    Great idea but I'm afraid a liberal is a liberal because he can't be educated or re-educated.
     
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    It depends on which Republican party you're talking about. The current GOP doesn't trace it's lineage back to the Democratic-Republican party, and you can probably find that if you read further down that Wiki article. The current Republican party was formed in the 1860's.
     
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    Also, while the rhetoric of the Republican party is arguably (and in my opinion) a good deal closer to Jefferson's philosophical ideals than that of the Democrats, the majority of the Republican party legislates, whenever it suits them (which is pretty often these days), in favor of limiting individual freedoms, centralizing power to the Federal government, and government redistribution of wealth (typically in the form of corporate subsidies), all of which strike me as being in total opposition to Jeffersonian philosophy. Seems to me that implying that either party has a monopoly on founding principles involves ignoring a lot of what that party actually does.
     
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    What a pathetic attempt to glom onto the founding fathers.

    Seriously...lame, dude.
     
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    What place to dems have in America?

    good lard. You sir are little more than a would be tyrant.

    and

    wilson was the first far leftist in Office.
     
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    There have been two Republican parties in America, the first the liberals, the Jeffersonians, the Antifederalists, formed around 1789. It was this group that fought the ratification of the Constitution unless a Bill of Rights were added. The second Republican party formed in the 1850's and is today's Republican party. The Democrats of today trace their heritage back to Jefferson. The Democratic party was comprised of both liberals and conservatives, the conservatives of the South. Truman began easing the conservatives out of the Democratic party and today the former conservative Democrats have found their home with the present day Republican party.
     
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    Jefferson formed the Republican Party in 1792 when he left the Washington Administration in disgust . The Republican Party stood for, then and now, freedom and liberty from central government. Now you've got the basics.

    WIKI: "The Democratic-Republican Party or Republican Party was an American political party founded in the early 1790s by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. Political scientists use the former name, even though there is no known use of it in the 1790's, while historians prefer the latter one; contemporaries generally called the party the "Republicans", along with many other names. In a broader sense the party was the concrete realization of Jeffersonian democracy, i.e., continued aggressive opposition to the British monarchy, opposition to monarchy and strong central government in general, celebration of individual freedom and liberty from strong central government, and state's rights".


    of course that is absurd since Horace Greely named the 1850's party after Jefferson's Party because it had the same philosophy

    of course that is 100% absurd since Jefferson was 100% about freedom from liberal central government while todays Democrats are 100% opposite.


    It seems you have to start over with American History just to get the basics down. Sorry
     

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