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132041000 - 131028000 = 1,013,000
We have obviously not "lost over 5 million jobs, maybe as many as 7 million" between the passage of the stimulus bill and today.
Perhaps you prefer fuzzy math.
132041000 - 131028000 = 1,013,000
We have obviously not "lost over 5 million jobs, maybe as many as 7 million" between the passage of the stimulus bill and today.
Perhaps you prefer fuzzy math.
Your error is in forgetting that in order just to keep even the economy has to produce several hundred thousand jobs every month. In order to recover the economy has to produce way more jobs than in a normal month.
On GM unlike you I posted a link that presents facts. Not someone's opinion.Do not post numbers from a source without a link. Let others see for themselves.
For all we know, those BLS numbers are a raw count of jobs available and not the number of people working. They could be part time. Or seasonal. Agricultural.
Everyone has equal access to the output survey at U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Since it's a custom output you can't link to it.
Of course, if you go to bls.gov you can confirm those nonfarm payroll numbers for yourself.
For example your side continues to complain about the loss of manufacturing jobs and especially those which used to be union jobs. Yet at the same time you are boasting at how few jobs have been lost.
You can't have it both ways just to suit your political agenda.
What the fuck are you talking about?
From the BLS.
BTW,, GM has paid back a very small portion of their bailout and had to borrow money form other sources to pay that. GM is still owned by the American taxpayer.
Did you read what I wrote or are you just making shit up? Let's review what I said:
GM has paid back the debt portion of their loan. They have not paid back the equity portion.
Don't tell us that the CBO scored anything.
Why not? The CBO scored it.
Really? And you got that figure from where?132041000 - 131028000 = 1,013,000
We have obviously not "lost over 5 million jobs, maybe as many as 7 million" between the passage of the stimulus bill and today.
Perhaps you prefer fuzzy math.
Your error is in forgetting that in order just to keep even the economy has to produce several hundred thousand jobs every month. In order to recover the economy has to produce way more jobs than in a normal month.
That's not an error on my part. JRK claimed we had lost 5 to 7 million jobs since the stimulus passed. That is pure fiction, a lie.
Of course, other people jump in to defend and excuse the lie....
The economy has been producing about 200,000 per month for the past several months, and that has been enough to sustain mild economic growth thanks to significant productivity gains.
On GM unlike you I posted a link that presents facts. Not someone's opinion.
GM has paid back less than 20% of the total amount loaned and that does not include the $13 billion the Obama admin counted as "investment".
The part GM did pay back was with money the company borrowed.
On the BLS....An "output survey"?....Please.
Ok, for a moment I will stipulate the BLS figures are totally independent of any political pressure from the White House and that all BLS managers are non-partisan.
Let's look at the reality of the United States and the people. The White House and the main stream media can trumpet these successes all day long and that still does not make a difference. People are not finding work and those looking are finding they have to accept lower paying jobs or those not in their field of expertise. The housing market continues to stumble for one reason. That is interference from the federal government. The housing market will not recover until it is allowed to bottom out.
Really? And you got that figure from where?Your error is in forgetting that in order just to keep even the economy has to produce several hundred thousand jobs every month. In order to recover the economy has to produce way more jobs than in a normal month.
That's not an error on my part. JRK claimed we had lost 5 to 7 million jobs since the stimulus passed. That is pure fiction, a lie.
Of course, other people jump in to defend and excuse the lie....
The economy has been producing about 200,000 per month for the past several months, and that has been enough to sustain mild economic growth thanks to significant productivity gains.
If the economy....check that....business was adding 200,000 private sector
jobs per month, in which fields are these jobs. What companies? Industries?
Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009
Roubini: 6 Million US Job Losses in 2009 | The Big Picture
That;s 8.6M jobs lost in 2 years right there.
Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009
Roubini: 6 Million US Job Losses in 2009 | The Big Picture
That;s 8.6M jobs lost in 2 years right there.
Why would jobs lost before the stimulus (and before Obama took office) be counted by JRK as job losses since the stimulus passed?
I'm not sure if you know this, but you are not required to defend other stupid posters.
Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009
Roubini: 6 Million US Job Losses in 2009 | The Big Picture
That;s 8.6M jobs lost in 2 years right there.
Why would jobs lost before the stimulus (and before Obama took office) be counted by JRK as job losses since the stimulus passed?
I'm not sure if you know this, but you are not required to defend other stupid posters.
I couldn't readily find figures for 2010 and this part of 2011. Maybe that's where they are.
Just pointing out the facts. All the rest is between you and the OP.On GM unlike you I posted a link that presents facts. Not someone's opinion.
GM has paid back less than 20% of the total amount loaned and that does not include the $13 billion the Obama admin counted as "investment".
The part GM did pay back was with money the company borrowed.
Are you attempting to disagree just for the sake of disagreeing? You realize we're in agreement here - right? The debt portion is repaid. The equity portion is not - and can not be until the government sells its shares.
On the BLS....An "output survey"?....Please.
Yes. If you knew a single thing about how to process output on the BLS website you'd know what I'm talking about. But I have no such expectations.
Ok, for a moment I will stipulate the BLS figures are totally independent of any political pressure from the White House and that all BLS managers are non-partisan.
Let's look at the reality of the United States and the people. The White House and the main stream media can trumpet these successes all day long and that still does not make a difference. People are not finding work and those looking are finding they have to accept lower paying jobs or those not in their field of expertise. The housing market continues to stumble for one reason. That is interference from the federal government. The housing market will not recover until it is allowed to bottom out.
Is this a long way of excusing your cohort who is lying about jobs numbers? If so, it's a weak attempt.
Total 2008 job loss: 2.6 million - Jan. 9, 2009
Roubini: 6 Million US Job Losses in 2009 | The Big Picture
That;s 8.6M jobs lost in 2 years right there.
Why would jobs lost before the stimulus (and before Obama took office) be counted by JRK as job losses since the stimulus passed?
I'm not sure if you know this, but you are not required to defend other stupid posters.
CBO finds 3.7M jobs created by stimulus
A report by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office shows the Recovery Act has increased the number of workers by between 1.2 million and 2.8 million. The CBO also projects that 3.7 million jobs could be attributed to the stimulus by the end of September.
The $787 billion measure included several tax cuts, including one for $400 ($800 per working couple) that showed up in workers' paychecks. It also created Build America Bonds, expanded unemployment insurance and funded several domestic spending programs.
Several of these provisions are now being expanded in legislation extending expiring measures that the House could vote on later Wednesday.
A rough estimate supplied by House Republicans shows the extender bill increases the cost of the stimulus by approximately $88 billion.
A Senate Democratic aide contends the extender bill does not increase the cost of the stimulus.
CBO finds 3.7M jobs created by stimulus - The Hill's On The Money
unemployment rate hit 9.3% for Obama's first month in office....surely you are not silly enough to count that 9.3% as "Obama's" unemployment rate? There is nothing ANYONE could have done their first 4 weeks in office to change the upward trend of unemployment in this nation, in 4 weeks..... only a partisan hack would try to make that case imho. Just use your brain and think about it....seriously....
CBO finds 3.7M jobs created by stimulus
A report by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office shows the Recovery Act has increased the number of workers by between 1.2 million and 2.8 million. The CBO also projects that 3.7 million jobs could be attributed to the stimulus by the end of September.
The $787 billion measure included several tax cuts, including one for $400 ($800 per working couple) that showed up in workers' paychecks. It also created Build America Bonds, expanded unemployment insurance and funded several domestic spending programs.
Several of these provisions are now being expanded in legislation extending expiring measures that the House could vote on later Wednesday.
A rough estimate supplied by House Republicans shows the extender bill increases the cost of the stimulus by approximately $88 billion.
A Senate Democratic aide contends the extender bill does not increase the cost of the stimulus.
CBO finds 3.7M jobs created by stimulus - The Hill's On The Money
IF higher taxes will create jobs, why did the stimulus fail?
IF higher taxes will create jobs, why did the stimulus fail?
The stimulus didn't raise taxes. It lowered them.
