mattskramer
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My challenge is for someone to prove to me that there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just God in light of injustices that people see.
In reply to post #6:
If a victim has a bad hair day, then it is the victim's fault. The victim should pay closer attention to his hair. One should take better care of his skate board. I am a grown up adult. Please don't resort to ad homonym. Though I am an agnostic (leaning toward atheism) I do help people. Many individuals and groups of various religious beliefs (and atheists) help people.
In reply to post #7:
Thanks. Those are my sentiments too.
In reply to post #8:
Parents should be held responsible when they can do something. Perhaps the child's parents were unable to provide assistance. When parents can't/won't help, an all powerful and just God could surely do something: Make it rain wheat bread and water for the child.
In reply to several other posts:
I'm referring to painful torturous things that befall people (children in particular) through no fault of anyone. There are conditions/diseases that children can acquire through practically no one's fault. Where is the justice in that?
Post #17 is a tangent. Yes. The photographer should have done more to help.
My challenge is for someone to prove to me that there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just God in light of injustices that people see.
In reply to post #20:
Some conditions are not treatable.
In reply to post #23
Don't forget the secular charities:
UNICEF
ACLU
Amnesty International
Doctors Without Borders
Rotary International
Secular Humanist Aid and Relief Effort
In reply to post #26: God provides drought and famine too.
Right on, secular charities are great too. Of course I'm bias to Christian ones so that the Word of God is also shared.
Seriously, though, you sound just like Satan, but please don't take offense at that, lol. But it's only because Satan thought he knew better than God too. He wanted to be above God's Throne, or have His Throne, or be God but hes not...
Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
It aint gonna happen, man! God is God and we are not. The thing is, kicking against God is just what Satan wants you to do. Satan is the enemy, not God. And there is a real spiritual battle going on, and it manifests itself in the flesh. If you can't tell, look around the world, and even ourselves. Satan is very good at tricking us, he comes as an "angel of light". He'll perhaps say, "I'm sooo good, God is sooo bad, I'm know what is right or wrong, but God doesn't" yadda yadda. When the very lives we have are from God Himself, not Satan. God is the Creator and God is Good, not Satan.
As for proving God to you, and that we are created by Him, it's not gonna happen like you want it to. None of us can see Him. It's totally personal and by His Spirit it will be revealed to you. It's your very personal intimate relationship with Him. It has to happen between you and Him, personally. It would be like me introducing you to someone, and whether or not you decide to pursue that relationship, is up to you. God is already there. He told us what we need to do. Believe! After that, He starts doing the "good work" in us. We still fall short, as every human does, but He really helps us; guides as we continue on in His Name. But if we don't believe and trust Him, well, how can we even be with Him?
We need only call upon His Name, sincerely. (And then you'll know, then He'll open your eyes. I can't, nor anyone else) He's God, He is Gracious, and He knows when we are being honest or not. Now if we aren't being pure in heart in calling upon Him, is He gonna answer? No and why would He? Because He already knows if we are truly seeking Him. I mean, its just like any relationship. If someone comes kicking and screaming at you, what are you going to do? You can't communicate with someone coming at ya and won't listen. But if that person says they are sorry and they are truly sorry, the relationship starts to build and it turns out pretty good, eh?
Hey, even after I say all this, don't even believe me, ask Him yourself, seriously. Yes, we know what that entails; repentance. Repentence from kicking against Him. Repentence from alot of our sin. The difference is, the Revelation or knowledge of Jesus Christ makes us not WANT to sin. Not all of it even comes off at first. And it can be hard to do, but I can share with you that He (our Lord Jesus Christ) is the most rewarding blessing thereafter, just knowing His love, no words can describe. Knowing His loving makes us not want to sin. After all, it only hurts us and others.
Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Deut 4:29But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
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It is difficult to communicate with something that you doubt even exists.