If God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and just, then why do ignorant kids suffer?

[Marie888]

I ask how there can be suffering on Earth if there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just God. I am told that there is free will and that people must choose to believe in Jesus. If that is the case, then what becomes of children who suffer and die without having been given information about Jesus? More importantly, why would such a God allow innocent children to suffer in agony and pain such as this kid did?

Such a child does not have free will in the practical sense. He probably did not even get a chance to learn about Jesus. Luckily he survived.

Very very sad, words do not express. There are many more who are dying, suffering even as we read and type.

Let me please ask you this? If Jesus Christ Himself suffered and died for the sins of the world (that means yours and mine and every soul's because He loves) then how much more Grace does God have for these children? Unimaginable Grace. I cannot imagine.

And one thing is for certain, eternity is far longer than our lives here on earth. I can barely fathom His Grace for a wretch like me, one who has sinned greatly against Him, let alone a young child or baby suffering. His Grace is just like the song - Amazing Grace. God has a purpose, though we don't understand all the time why He allows certain things, there is an overall purpose. Perhaps situations like these are to test us, we, who do have the resources and knowledge of His Word? I don't know.

We can all point a finger the other way, or try to directly point at God Himself, however that doesn't take away from the account of the Beginning to the End, or His Sovereignity, And the Grace given through our Lord Jesus Christ. From the fall of man in the garden, to the future of eternity with God, we can see the world, our flesh, sin. The very fact that there is sin in this world, which none of us can deny, should be proof enough of Gods written word and who we are and that we need help. Horrible things such as murder of children, rape, child trafficking, child pornography, etc, etc, because of sin show's the state of mankind.

I cannot make you or anyone else stop pointing your finger at God, but only encourage you to ask Him yourself to try to understand. His Word does show it started at the beginning.

Perhaps and hopefully this link may help:

Why does God allow innocent people to suffer?

Romans 1
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

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[Two Thumbs]

The real question is why do we let children like this suffer when God has given us plenty of resources to take care of ourselves and others.

civilised people know how to work together to prevent this. It's 3rd world backwaters that still, STILL, kill each other for being from different tribes.

They hate each other so much, they allow this, so that when the survivors grow up, they just repeat the cycle.

 

[Marie888]

PS - If any of us has it in our hearts and it's possible to help, there are many charity organizations (besides these even) to help those who are suffering/starving. We need only to Google them. We are pretty blessed, eh?

World Vision
Campus Crusade for Christ
Children's Fund
Children International
CFC (Christ for the City)
Compassion
Food for the Hungry
Gospel for Asia
Life Outreach
Samaritan's Purse
Voice of the Martyrs
World Vision



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[edthecynic]

I ask how there can be suffering on Earth if there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just God. I am told that there is free will and that people must choose to believe in Jesus. If that is the case, then what becomes of children who suffer and die without having been given information about Jesus? More importantly, why would such a God allow innocent children to suffer in agony and pain such as this kid did?

Such a child does not have free will in the practical sense. He probably did not even get a chance to learn about Jesus. Luckily he survived.

Very very sad, words do not express. There are many more who are dying, suffering even as we read and type.

Let me please ask you this? If Jesus Christ Himself suffered and died for the sins of the world (that means yours and mine and every soul's because He loves) then how much more Grace does God have for these children? Unimaginable Grace. I cannot imagine.

And one thing is for certain, eternity is far longer than our lives here on earth. I can barely fathom His Grace for a wretch like me, one who has sinned greatly against Him, let alone a young child or baby suffering. His Grace is just like the song - Amazing Grace. God has a purpose, though we don't understand all the time why He allows certain things, there is an overall purpose. Perhaps situations like these are to test us, we, who do have the resources and knowledge of His Word? I don't know.

We can all point a finger the other way, or try to directly point at God Himself, however that doesn't take away from the account of the Beginning to the End, or His Sovereignity, And the Grace given through our Lord Jesus Christ. From the fall of man in the garden, to the future of eternity with God, we can see the world, our flesh, sin. The very fact that there is sin in this world, which none of us can deny, should be proof enough of Gods written word and who we are and that we need help. Horrible things such as murder of children, rape, child trafficking, child pornography, etc, etc, because of sin show's the state of mankind.

I cannot make you or anyone else stop pointing your finger at God, but only encourage you to ask Him yourself to try to understand. His Word does show it started at the beginning.

Perhaps and hopefully this link may help:

Why does God allow innocent people to suffer?

Romans 1
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

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Thanks, it's OUR fault your God lets little children suffer.
Praise God.

 

[Avatar4321]

Thanks, it's OUR fault your God lets little children suffer.
Praise God.

So you think it's God's fault that you ignore your responsibility for your fellow man? God has provided the resources and given us all plenty. Yet you blame Him for what you fail to do.

 

[Marie888]

I ask how there can be suffering on Earth if there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just God. I am told that there is free will and that people must choose to believe in Jesus. If that is the case, then what becomes of children who suffer and die without having been given information about Jesus? More importantly, why would such a God allow innocent children to suffer in agony and pain such as this kid did?

Such a child does not have free will in the practical sense. He probably did not even get a chance to learn about Jesus. Luckily he survived.

Very very sad, words do not express. There are many more who are dying, suffering even as we read and type.

Let me please ask you this? If Jesus Christ Himself suffered and died for the sins of the world (that means yours and mine and every soul's because He loves) then how much more Grace does God have for these children? Unimaginable Grace. I cannot imagine.

And one thing is for certain, eternity is far longer than our lives here on earth. I can barely fathom His Grace for a wretch like me, one who has sinned greatly against Him, let alone a young child or baby suffering. His Grace is just like the song - Amazing Grace. God has a purpose, though we don't understand all the time why He allows certain things, there is an overall purpose. Perhaps situations like these are to test us, we, who do have the resources and knowledge of His Word? I don't know.

We can all point a finger the other way, or try to directly point at God Himself, however that doesn't take away from the account of the Beginning to the End, or His Sovereignity, And the Grace given through our Lord Jesus Christ. From the fall of man in the garden, to the future of eternity with God, we can see the world, our flesh, sin. The very fact that there is sin in this world, which none of us can deny, should be proof enough of Gods written word and who we are and that we need help. Horrible things such as murder of children, rape, child trafficking, child pornography, etc, etc, because of sin show's the state of mankind.

I cannot make you or anyone else stop pointing your finger at God, but only encourage you to ask Him yourself to try to understand. His Word does show it started at the beginning.

Perhaps and hopefully this link may help:

Why does God allow innocent people to suffer?

Romans 1
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

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Thanks, it's OUR fault your God lets little children suffer.
Praise God.

I think you missed the part of His Grace through Jesus Christ our Lord. I can't make you believe though, thats between you and Him.

Perhaps you are mad at Him for allowing this type of suffering or any at all in our lives? I don't know, just a question that came to mind. I can't help you there either, it's between you and Him. I can only try to encourage you to call upon His Name.

Again, we can compare ETERNITY to our very short lives here on earth. Huge difference. We are all going to die. Let me say that again - we are all going to die. We can try to fight it, try to stop it, but it's gonna happen. As for suffering, name one person who HASN'T suffered to some degree on earth, somehow, someway. Either or, it doesn't change the facts of life and Who God is and who we are.

Here's one chapter I like to read when I start getting feeling myself mad at God myself. When I sin, basically, because all that is not of faith is sin. Really, who the heck am I to question the Almighty? When He has so much Grace and love (undeserved) for me anyhow?

Job 38
1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

16Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

36Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

37Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

39Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

40When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

41Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

 

[Marie888]

PS - Another great hope in His Word - comparing our short lives here on earth, to eternity...

Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

 

[edthecynic]

Thanks, it's OUR fault your God lets little children suffer.
Praise God.

So you think it's God's fault that you ignore your responsibility for your fellow man? God has provided the resources and given us all plenty. Yet you blame Him for what you fail to do.

God is in control. It is by the hand of God that people ignore their responsibilities. We are made in the image of God, so everything we do or not do is a reflection on him.

 

[Paulie]

This does raise a good question, one my 15 year old daughter often asks me. She asks why does God let children starve and suffer in the world? It's a hard question to answer as a Christian, but I tell her about Free Will and that others are trying to help these people.

Why does anythng bad happen to anyone, anywhere? It's called "Life"-and we are here to live it the best way we know how.

If any Christians have a better answer I can tell her, I'd love to hear it. She believes in God, but sometimes she does ask questions that are hard to answer.

It's all relative.

Take the pic. It's a starving kid crawling twards food with a buzzard waiting for it to die. That's preatty ruthless, right? The douche that took the pick walked away and didn't help. I'd call that evil.

Now imagine there was no hunger, no war. Bliss right?
wrong.

Bad hair days, ingrown toe nails, accidental deaths would get elevated to why we question god b/c we no longer have worse forms of suffering in the world.

Well I'm sure glad there's war and starvation to complain about so I can put my stubbed toe on the back burner

 

[mattskramer]

I ask how there can be suffering on Earth if there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just God. I am told that there is free will and that people must choose to believe in Jesus. If that is the case, then what becomes of children who suffer and die without having been given information about Jesus? More importantly, why would such a God allow innocent children to suffer in agony and pain such as this kid did?

Such a child does not have free will in the practical sense. He probably did not even get a chance to learn about Jesus. Luckily he survived.

Very very sad, words do not express. There are many more who are dying, suffering even as we read and type.

Let me please ask you this? If Jesus Christ Himself suffered and died for the sins of the world (that means yours and mine and every soul's because He loves) then how much more Grace does God have for these children? Unimaginable Grace. I cannot imagine.

And one thing is for certain, eternity is far longer than our lives here on earth. I can barely fathom His Grace for a wretch like me, one who has sinned greatly against Him, let alone a young child or baby suffering. His Grace is just like the song - Amazing Grace. God has a purpose, though we don't understand all the time why He allows certain things, there is an overall purpose. Perhaps situations like these are to test us, we, who do have the resources and knowledge of His Word? I don't know.

We can all point a finger the other way, or try to directly point at God Himself, however that doesn't take away from the account of the Beginning to the End, or His Sovereignity, And the Grace given through our Lord Jesus Christ. From the fall of man in the garden, to the future of eternity with God, we can see the world, our flesh, sin. The very fact that there is sin in this world, which none of us can deny, should be proof enough of Gods written word and who we are and that we need help. Horrible things such as murder of children, rape, child trafficking, child pornography, etc, etc, because of sin show's the state of mankind.

I cannot make you or anyone else stop pointing your finger at God, but only encourage you to ask Him yourself to try to understand. His Word does show it started at the beginning.

Perhaps and hopefully this link may help:

Why does God allow innocent people to suffer?



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According to your link:

"Since 'all have sinned and come short of the glory of God' (Romans 3:23), there is no one who has the right to freedom from God's wrath on the basis of his own innocence.

As far as babies are concerned, and others who may be incompetent mentally to distinguish right and wrong, it is clear from both Scripture and universal experience that they are sinners by nature and thus will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so."

Okay. So the child is guilty and is being punished before he even commits a crime. If so, then why doesn't God go ahead and kill off everyone early in life. According to scripture, I sinned from the first minute that I was born.

Again, my question goes unanswered. Good things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. Bad things happen to good people. Bad things happen to bad people. There is no reasoning. Life is a gambol.

 

[edthecynic]

I ask how there can be suffering on Earth if there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just God. I am told that there is free will and that people must choose to believe in Jesus. If that is the case, then what becomes of children who suffer and die without having been given information about Jesus? More importantly, why would such a God allow innocent children to suffer in agony and pain such as this kid did?

Such a child does not have free will in the practical sense. He probably did not even get a chance to learn about Jesus. Luckily he survived.

Very very sad, words do not express. There are many more who are dying, suffering even as we read and type.

Let me please ask you this? If Jesus Christ Himself suffered and died for the sins of the world (that means yours and mine and every soul's because He loves) then how much more Grace does God have for these children? Unimaginable Grace. I cannot imagine.

And one thing is for certain, eternity is far longer than our lives here on earth. I can barely fathom His Grace for a wretch like me, one who has sinned greatly against Him, let alone a young child or baby suffering. His Grace is just like the song - Amazing Grace. God has a purpose, though we don't understand all the time why He allows certain things, there is an overall purpose. Perhaps situations like these are to test us, we, who do have the resources and knowledge of His Word? I don't know.

We can all point a finger the other way, or try to directly point at God Himself, however that doesn't take away from the account of the Beginning to the End, or His Sovereignity, And the Grace given through our Lord Jesus Christ. From the fall of man in the garden, to the future of eternity with God, we can see the world, our flesh, sin. The very fact that there is sin in this world, which none of us can deny, should be proof enough of Gods written word and who we are and that we need help. Horrible things such as murder of children, rape, child trafficking, child pornography, etc, etc, because of sin show's the state of mankind.

I cannot make you or anyone else stop pointing your finger at God, but only encourage you to ask Him yourself to try to understand. His Word does show it started at the beginning.

Perhaps and hopefully this link may help:

Why does God allow innocent people to suffer?



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According to your link:

"Since 'all have sinned and come short of the glory of God' (Romans 3:23), there is no one who has the right to freedom from God's wrath on the basis of his own innocence.

As far as babies are concerned, and others who may be incompetent mentally to distinguish right and wrong, it is clear from both Scripture and universal experience that they are sinners by nature and thus will inevitably become sinners by choice as soon as they are able to do so."

Okay. So the child is guilty and is being punished before he even commits a crime. If so, then why doesn't God go ahead and kill off everyone early in life. According to scripture, I sinned from the first minute that I was born.

Again, my question goes unanswered. Good things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people. Bad things happen to good people. Bad things happen to bad people. There is no reasoning. Life is a gambol.

Actually, if life begins at the moment of conception then you are a sinner before you are even born!

 

[Two Thumbs]

This does raise a good question, one my 15 year old daughter often asks me. She asks why does God let children starve and suffer in the world? It's a hard question to answer as a Christian, but I tell her about Free Will and that others are trying to help these people.

Why does anythng bad happen to anyone, anywhere? It's called "Life"-and we are here to live it the best way we know how.

If any Christians have a better answer I can tell her, I'd love to hear it. She believes in God, but sometimes she does ask questions that are hard to answer.

It's all relative.

Take the pic. It's a starving kid crawling twards food with a buzzard waiting for it to die. That's preatty ruthless, right? The douche that took the pick walked away and didn't help. I'd call that evil.

Now imagine there was no hunger, no war. Bliss right?
wrong.

Bad hair days, ingrown toe nails, accidental deaths would get elevated to why we question god b/c we no longer have worse forms of suffering in the world.

Well I'm sure glad there's war and starvation to complain about so I can put my stubbed toe on the back burner

ahh, come on

think about what I said.

The stubbed toe gets a "goddammit that hurts!!" instead of; "why has god forsaken me!!"
Why? b/c we know there are worse things in the world.

 

[mattskramer]

My challenge is for someone to prove to me that there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just God in light of injustices that people see.

In reply to post #6:

If a victim has a bad hair day, then it is the victim's fault. The victim should pay closer attention to his hair. One should take better care of his skate board. I am a grown up adult. Please don't resort to ad homonym. Though I am an agnostic (leaning toward atheism) I do help people. Many individuals and groups of various religious beliefs (and atheists) help people.

In reply to post #7:
Thanks. Those are my sentiments too.

In reply to post #8:
Parents should be held responsible when they can do something. Perhaps the child's parents were unable to provide assistance. When parents can't/won't help, an all powerful and just God could surely do something: Make it rain wheat bread and water for the child.

In reply to several other posts:
I'm referring to painful torturous things that befall people (children in particular) through no fault of anyone. There are conditions/diseases that children can acquire through practically no one's fault. Where is the justice in that?

Post #17 is a tangent. Yes. The photographer should have done more to help.

My challenge is for someone to prove to me that there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just God in light of injustices that people see.

In reply to post #20:
Some conditions are not treatable.

In reply to post #23
Don't forget the secular charities:

UNICEF
ACLU
Amnesty International
Doctors Without Borders
Rotary International
Secular Humanist Aid and Relief Effort
In reply to post #26: God provides drought and famine too.

 

[Caroljo]

We aren't going to understand all of these things until we're gone and with God. When we die and go to Heaven, all things will be clear to us. In the time being, we're all going to struggle with the misery that's in this world. God is looking at US to see what we will do...do we do enough to help others? Maybe you're the one that needs help...God does help us through our trying times, he said he will never leave us or forsake us. I can't tell you how many times I've had something bad happen, stressed over some problem going on in my life, and it ALWAYS works out. Just at the right time too..and i know it's God that has stepped in and put something or someone in my life that has taken care of the whole mess! There's no doubt at all!!!

The child in that picture most likely doesn't know about God. It's so heartbreaking to see this. But God will not forget this child (even though many in his country has). It would be sad to see a child like this die from suffering, but he WILL be with God when this happens! There will be no more suffering or pain for him! If a child dies, they are not at the age of responsibility, and they are with God from that moment on.

 

[Marie888]

We aren't going to understand all of these things until we're gone and with God. When we die and go to Heaven, all things will be clear to us. In the time being, we're all going to struggle with the misery that's in this world. God is looking at US to see what we will do...do we do enough to help others? Maybe you're the one that needs help...God does help us through our trying times, he said he will never leave us or forsake us. I can't tell you how many times I've had something bad happen, stressed over some problem going on in my life, and it ALWAYS works out. Just at the right time too..and i know it's God that has stepped in and put something or someone in my life that has taken care of the whole mess! There's no doubt at all!!!

The child in that picture most likely doesn't know about God. It's so heartbreaking to see this. But God will not forget this child (even though many in his country has). It would be sad to see a child like this die from suffering, but he WILL be with God when this happens! There will be no more suffering or pain for him! If a child dies, they are not at the age of responsibility, and they are with God from that moment on.

Exactly. God is so Gracious.

 

[edthecynic]

We aren't going to understand all of these things until we're gone and with God. When we die and go to Heaven, all things will be clear to us. In the time being, we're all going to struggle with the misery that's in this world. God is looking at US to see what we will do...do we do enough to help others? Maybe you're the one that needs help...God does help us through our trying times, he said he will never leave us or forsake us. I can't tell you how many times I've had something bad happen, stressed over some problem going on in my life, and it ALWAYS works out. Just at the right time too..and i know it's God that has stepped in and put something or someone in my life that has taken care of the whole mess! There's no doubt at all!!!

The child in that picture most likely doesn't know about God. It's so heartbreaking to see this. But God will not forget this child (even though many in his country has). It would be sad to see a child like this die from suffering, but he WILL be with God when this happens! There will be no more suffering or pain for him! If a child dies, they are not at the age of responsibility, and they are with God from that moment on.

Exactly. God is so Gracious.

Hosea 13: 16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Psalms 137: 9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

 

[Ravi]

ok thanks
He probably killed himself b/c he failed to do anything when he could. He could have prevented some suffering but chose not to.

nice

fuck him.

So you admit it wasn't photoshopped!
He says he chased the vulture off after taking the picture and the girl resumed her struggle. But I agree, he should have done more.

forgot I need to be specific on the net.

A 6' tall man can see 2 miles befor the curve of the earth takes away the view.

So he could probably see where the camp was.

I wonder how many people asked him;

Do you know the buzzard came back moments after you left?
and
Why didn't you save the kid you lazy fuck?

Just more proof that the media doesn't give a damn. They gave that shit a pulizer

If God won't save the child, why should anyone else bother?

 

[Ravi]

The real question is why do we let children like this suffer when God has given us plenty of resources to take care of ourselves and others.

Because, sadly, God also invented Republicans.

 

[Marie888]

We aren't going to understand all of these things until we're gone and with God. When we die and go to Heaven, all things will be clear to us. In the time being, we're all going to struggle with the misery that's in this world. God is looking at US to see what we will do...do we do enough to help others? Maybe you're the one that needs help...God does help us through our trying times, he said he will never leave us or forsake us. I can't tell you how many times I've had something bad happen, stressed over some problem going on in my life, and it ALWAYS works out. Just at the right time too..and i know it's God that has stepped in and put something or someone in my life that has taken care of the whole mess! There's no doubt at all!!!

The child in that picture most likely doesn't know about God. It's so heartbreaking to see this. But God will not forget this child (even though many in his country has). It would be sad to see a child like this die from suffering, but he WILL be with God when this happens! There will be no more suffering or pain for him! If a child dies, they are not at the age of responsibility, and they are with God from that moment on.

Exactly. God is so Gracious.

Hosea 13: 16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Psalms 137: 9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

Dearest Ed Again, I cannot make you believe, you'll most likely keep kicking against it all unless/until you call upon His Name.. There are many more verses like that in the Old Testament, many things happened before Jesus Christ came in the flesh to die for our sins.

Our Father knew He was sending Jesus, He knew who's hearts were hardened back then and now also. Jesus Christ fulfills the "law". His love covers a mulitude of sins, because we all sin. Just like when you and I forgive each other, or any other relationship, love and forgiveness trumps the bad/hate/evil all the time.

Again, think about this even with what happened in the past, or however God worked it, if the Lord has that much Grace with us to take the punishment of the sins of all mankind, on that Cross, how much more Grace does He have for a baby or young child that dies?

We may not understand all of it, but He is Gracious for sure.
.

 

[Marie888]

My challenge is for someone to prove to me that there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just God in light of injustices that people see.

In reply to post #6:

If a victim has a bad hair day, then it is the victim's fault. The victim should pay closer attention to his hair. One should take better care of his skate board. I am a grown up adult. Please don't resort to ad homonym. Though I am an agnostic (leaning toward atheism) I do help people. Many individuals and groups of various religious beliefs (and atheists) help people.

In reply to post #7:
Thanks. Those are my sentiments too.

In reply to post #8:
Parents should be held responsible when they can do something. Perhaps the child's parents were unable to provide assistance. When parents can't/won't help, an all powerful and just God could surely do something: Make it rain wheat bread and water for the child.

In reply to several other posts:
I'm referring to painful torturous things that befall people (children in particular) through no fault of anyone. There are conditions/diseases that children can acquire through practically no one's fault. Where is the justice in that?

Post #17 is a tangent. Yes. The photographer should have done more to help.

My challenge is for someone to prove to me that there is an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just God in light of injustices that people see.

In reply to post #20:
Some conditions are not treatable.

In reply to post #23
Don't forget the secular charities:

UNICEF
ACLU
Amnesty International
Doctors Without Borders
Rotary International
Secular Humanist Aid and Relief Effort
In reply to post #26: God provides drought and famine too.

Right on, secular charities are great too. Of course I'm bias to Christian ones so that the Word of God is also shared.

Seriously, though, you sound just like Satan, but please don't take offense at that, lol. But it's only because Satan thought he knew better than God too. He wanted to be above God's Throne, or have His Throne, or be God but hes not...

Isaiah 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

It aint gonna happen, man! God is God and we are not. The thing is, kicking against God is just what Satan wants you to do. Satan is the enemy, not God. And there is a real spiritual battle going on, and it manifests itself in the flesh. If you can't tell, look around the world, and even ourselves. Satan is very good at tricking us, he comes as an "angel of light". He'll perhaps say, "I'm sooo good, God is sooo bad, I'm know what is right or wrong, but God doesn't" yadda yadda. When the very lives we have are from God Himself, not Satan. God is the Creator and God is Good, not Satan.

As for proving God to you, and that we are created by Him, it's not gonna happen like you want it to. None of us can see Him. It's totally personal and by His Spirit it will be revealed to you. It's your very personal intimate relationship with Him. It has to happen between you and Him, personally. It would be like me introducing you to someone, and whether or not you decide to pursue that relationship, is up to you. God is already there. He told us what we need to do. Believe! After that, He starts doing the "good work" in us. We still fall short, as every human does, but He really helps us; guides as we continue on in His Name. But if we don't believe and trust Him, well, how can we even be with Him?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

We need only call upon His Name, sincerely. (And then you'll know, then He'll open your eyes. I can't, nor anyone else) He's God, He is Gracious, and He knows when we are being honest or not. Now if we aren't being pure in heart in calling upon Him, is He gonna answer? No and why would He? Because He already knows if we are truly seeking Him. I mean, its just like any relationship. If someone comes kicking and screaming at you, what are you going to do? You can't communicate with someone coming at ya and won't listen. But if that person says they are sorry and they are truly sorry, the relationship starts to build and it turns out pretty good, eh?

Hey, even after I say all this, don't even believe me, ask Him yourself, seriously. Yes, we know what that entails; repentance. Repentence from kicking against Him. Repentence from alot of our sin. The difference is, the Revelation or knowledge of Jesus Christ makes us not WANT to sin. Not all of it even comes off at first. And it can be hard to do, but I can share with you that He (our Lord Jesus Christ) is the most rewarding blessing thereafter, just knowing His love, no words can describe. Knowing His loving makes us not want to sin. After all, it only hurts us and others.

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Deut 4:29But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

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