Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature currently requires accessing the site using the built-in Safari browser.
It doesn't matter if homosexuality is genetic or not.
What matters is that there are homosexuals and that they DO NOT choose to be homosexual but simply ARE homosexual. It can not be cured (despite what you've might've heard from those religious institutions). Think of sexuality as a spectrum: 0 being straight and 10 being homosexual. Everyone fits into that spectrum, some 0, some 10, but most of us at the bottom of the scale like 1 and 2, a few of us at 8 and 9, and some between 4 and 7. Those who are "cured" would most likely be found around the 4 to 7 range. Essentially, they are bi-sexual, tended to find their own gender more attractive, but can make a life with the opposite gender.
The point is, homosexuals are gay. They don't choose to be gay any more than you choose to be straight. They just are. And we shouldn't punish them for it. Especially since being gay doesn't hurt anybody.
Your position seems to be 'they are, therefore they are'. Its illogical.
He can believe whatever he wants, but I'm bringing up a case of identical twins- pesky facts. Raised in the same womb. Again, you can't tell these two gals apart except one had a longer hair style when I met her.His first statement can be boiled down to it's not a choice. It seems he then said he believes there's a spectrum of preference, and those at the extreme ends of the spectrum have no choice but those in the middle do. But that it doesn't matter whether it's a choice or not because homosexuality doesn't harm anybody.
His first statement can be boiled down to it's not a choice. It seems he then said he believes there's a spectrum of preference, and those at the extreme ends of the spectrum have no choice but those in the middle do. But that it doesn't matter whether it's a choice or not because homosexuality doesn't harm anybody.
He can believe whatever he wants, but I'm bringing up a case of identical twins- pesky facts. Raised in the same womb. Again, you can't tell these two gals apart except one had a longer hair style when I met her.His first statement can be boiled down to it's not a choice. It seems he then said he believes there's a spectrum of preference, and those at the extreme ends of the spectrum have no choice but those in the middle do. But that it doesn't matter whether it's a choice or not because homosexuality doesn't harm anybody.
His first statement can be boiled down to it's not a choice. It seems he then said he believes there's a spectrum of preference, and those at the extreme ends of the spectrum have no choice but those in the middle do. But that it doesn't matter whether it's a choice or not because homosexuality doesn't harm anybody.
This is what I said:
Sexual ORIENTATION, not preference, is not a choice.
Homosexuals do not choose to be homosexual. Straights do not choose to be straight. Bisexuals can choose to be in a homosexual or heterosexual relationship, but do not choose to be bisexual.
Don't confuse actions and behavior with what a person is. Just because someone is in a homosexual relationship doesn't mean s/he is gay, but, looking at some of the right-wing family values and conservative leaders recently, being in a straight relationship doesn't make a person straight.
Genetics doesn't matter.
Maybe, while the babies were in the womb, the positioning of one blocked the other from hearing the Barry Manilow music when mom played it?
I don't think anybody can definitively say the last statement you made. But I'd agree that being in a homosexual relationship does not exclude the possibility that the person is bisexual. It's not like most people see a 3-person relationship as a possibility.
I understand the hypothesis, however there is nothing to back it up, certainly not the facts of this case. The twins grew up in the same family, same house, same schools. In fact they chose identical careers in their formative years, both achieving nearly identical results.Actually I think it accounts for that quite well. According to the model he mentioned, the twins in question would likely be near the middle of the spectrum, say a 4, 5, or 6. Somebody who is a 6, for example, might weakly prefer the same sex. For such people environmental factors or other preferences are much more significant. One question is whether their social relations have led them to believe that bisexuality, or even homosexuality, is a viable option. Like many heterosexuals, some homosexuals don't believe in bisexuality as a distinct orientation.
However, somebody who is a 10 cannot, under any circumstances, be attracted to somebody of the opposite sex. So their choice is really between homosexuality and nothing.
That's not the issue here. We are discussing if gays are born that way or not. This evidence says that they are not.What I was saying is that genetics doesn 't matter when it comes to treating homosexuals as equal citizens witht the same rights and status as straight citizens.
I've know one of them for a while, and met her identical twin sister only once. One had longer hair so that's the only way I could tell them apart. One is normal, married, one child. The other is gay, "domestic partner", and has a kid through artificial means.
Someone explain to me how this is possible, if homosexuality is a genetic trait.
Even twins are unique individuals.
I don't think anybody can definitively say the last statement you made. But I'd agree that being in a homosexual relationship does not exclude the possibility that the person is bisexual. It's not like most people see a 3-person relationship as a possibility.
What I was saying is that genetics doesn't matter when it comes to treating homosexuals as equal citizens with the same rights and status as straight citizens.
wait a minute.. so, is the premise of this thread REALLY that we expect identical twins to react to life and their individual perception EXACTLY THE SAME? Are you fucking kidding me? Do OTHER identical (looking) twins always share the exact same personality characteristics?
good fucking lord, when did TWINS become CLONES?
I've know one of them for a while, and met her identical twin sister only once. One had longer hair so that's the only way I could tell them apart. One is normal, married, one child. The other is gay, "domestic partner", and has a kid through artificial means.
Someone explain to me how this is possible, if homosexuality is a genetic trait.
What's the point of this thread? So what if homsexuality isn't genetic. So what if it is? Are you trying to assert that since homosexuality isn't genetic, its a choice? Well, that isn't true, ask any homosexual. Do you choose to be straight? No. So this thread is pointless. The End.
Translation: it can't be true because I don't believe it. *ppfftt*What's the point of this thread? So what if homsexuality isn't genetic. So what if it is? Are you trying to assert that since homosexuality isn't genetic, its a choice? Well, that isn't true, ask any homosexual. Do you choose to be straight? No. So this thread is pointless. The End.
If the normal gal had married some fruity guy, then the hypothesis might have some validity, but she married a real old school type.
