Identical twins, one gay, one ain't

[Coloradomtnman]

What's the point of this thread? So what if homsexuality isn't genetic. So what if it is? Are you trying to assert that since homosexuality isn't genetic, its a choice? Well, that isn't true, ask any homosexual. Do you choose to be straight? No. So this thread is pointless. The End.

If they didn't have the homosexuals to argue about it would be "missionary" versus "doggy".

Except they argue about vaginal versus anal. Condoms and Pills, versus Abstinence. Christian versus Muslim. Capitalism vs. Socialism. The death penalty vs. abortion. Oh wait, that last one isn't right... Damn it. Conservatives, I think, just like to play the Devil's Advocate.

 

[glockmail]

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So, do identical twins have identical fingerprints? ....

The fingerprints on each of my ten fingers are unique, yet none of them belong to a gay man. Your attempt at equivalence here is meaningless.

 

[AllieBaba]

The whole "gay is hardwired" is based on even worse science than global warming.

There is absolutely nothing to support the theory. Nothing.

 

[KittenKoder]

If the normal gal had married some fruity guy, then the hypothesis might have some validity, but she married a real old school type.

So I assume that this "real old school guy" doesn't wear cardigans and khakis, cologne, and has nicely trimmed hair and clean shaven, and enjoys a fine cabernet savignon and watching sex in the city, but rather he wears Carhartts and steel-toe boots, smells faintly of motor oil, has greasy hair with scruffy beard, and likes drinking Pabst and watches Ultimate Fighting?

I bet he also belches, openly scratches his hairy belly, and watches Spike TV in the living room while wearing T-shirt and boxers.

LOL ... Glocksucker thinks that straight men don't shower!

 

[glockmail]

Identical twins are born, one has brown eyes and one has blue, therefore eye color is not genetic....

Identical twins have the same eye color.

 

[glockmail]

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So I assume that this "real old school guy" doesn't wear cardigans and khakis, cologne, and has nicely trimmed hair and clean shaven, and enjoys a fine cabernet savignon and watching sex in the city, but rather he wears Carhartts and steel-toe boots, smells faintly of motor oil, has greasy hair with scruffy beard, and likes drinking Pabst and watches Ultimate Fighting?

I bet he also belches, openly scratches his hairy belly, and watches Spike TV in the living room while wearing T-shirt and boxers.

Way to generalize about people. *shrug*

 

[KittenKoder]

What's the point of this thread? So what if homsexuality isn't genetic. So what if it is? Are you trying to assert that since homosexuality isn't genetic, its a choice? Well, that isn't true, ask any homosexual. Do you choose to be straight? No. So this thread is pointless. The End.

If they didn't have the homosexuals to argue about it would be "missionary" versus "doggy".

Except they argue about vaginal versus anal. Condoms and Pills, versus Abstinence. Christian versus Muslim. Capitalism vs. Socialism. The death penalty vs. abortion. Oh wait, that last one isn't right... Damn it. Conservatives, I think, just like to play the Devil's Advocate.

LOL ... yep. As for the "anal" v "vaginal" ... funny little factoid ... most straight couples have a lot of anal play. The butt plug was invented for straight people, by a straight person so he didn't have to "be gay", even.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

What's the point of this thread? So what if homsexuality isn't genetic. So what if it is? Are you trying to assert that since homosexuality isn't genetic, its a choice? Well, that isn't true, ask any homosexual. Do you choose to be straight? No. So this thread is pointless. The End.

Translation: it can't be true because I don't believe it. *ppfftt*

C'mon Glock. What's the point? I don't believe it because it isn't true. I know many homosexuals. I am close friends with homosexuals. My uncle and his life partner of 15 years are homosexuals. We have dinner, we got to movies, we attend concerts (the lesbians go to hockey games), we go to strip clubs, we get drunk together, we do all the same things that you and your friends do. My friends, especially the gay ones, discuss these issues A LOT. And they ALL OF THEM agree that they HAVE NOT made a choice to be homosexual. THEY JUST ARE, and they have always been since they can remember. Now, do I trust them (people who are actually homosexuals) or do I trust dogmatic, faith-based, fearful, hateful religiomatics and men who are afraid of being called "fag" who claim that homosexuality is a chosen practice even though they themselve aren't gay and have no real experience with homosexuals beyond what they learned in Church and in comedy movies?

Hmmm. Difficult decision... I guess all those fags and dikes I know could be lying to push some agenda, but, no, probably not. They're just regular people who ARE sexually attracted to the same gender. Kinda how some men have foot fetishes, or some white women are attracted to black men, or a million other ways that people experience sexuality beyond the narrow-Biblical-repressed men-have-to-like-women and can only have sex when married without a condom to have children and not for pleasure. Jesus didn't have sex, so we can't enjoy it! Cause the Bible told me so.

Why do you hate homosexuals so much, Glock?

 

[Ravi]

What's the point of this thread? So what if homsexuality isn't genetic. So what if it is? Are you trying to assert that since homosexuality isn't genetic, its a choice? Well, that isn't true, ask any homosexual. Do you choose to be straight? No. So this thread is pointless. The End.

Glock struggles with his choice to be straight on a daily basis.

 

[KittenKoder]

Alright ... a little question and answer: Why would anyone choose to be something that is openly ridiculed, attacked, and even with restricted rights?

 

[Valerie]

Identical twins are born, one has brown eyes and one has blue, therefore eye color is not genetic....

Identical twins have the same eye color.

I actually misspoke by using the term "identical" in my examples, but the point is the same....Of course twins are unique individuals.

I realized I could have said it better, but you get my point?

Some people want to make a case that individuals who turn out to be homosexual are only "choosing" to be "that way" and therefore they should be treated as second class citizens for "choosing" the wrong path in life? Judging by your OP, you seem to be attempting to support that theory?

I agree with Coloradoman -- What makes one become who they are does not determine whether or not one should be treated as a second class citizen, IF that's what your getting at.

I'll assume you're legitimately baffled by identical twins who turn out differently, but I really can't see why. Unique individuals who happen to be identical twins turn out to have all sorts of different tendencies or preferences in life. When one of the identical twins turns out to be a lefty, what does that mean? One tends to enjoy classical music, one tends to excel at mathematics, one tends to be introverted and one is gregarious, etc.

So what? As Shogun said, twins aren't clones.

 

[KittenKoder]

Identical twins are born, one has brown eyes and one has blue, therefore eye color is not genetic....

Identical twins have the same eye color.

LOL ... there have been many cases where this isn't even true. It's a myth, identical twins are never truly "identical". DNA is a map for the body, various other factors can alter how it develops ... also identical twins only have 90% common DNA on average, that's 10% of which we still do not fully understand. So even if it is true that it's all choice this does not prove anything more than you really don't know much about genetics.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

wait a minute.. so, is the premise of this thread REALLY that we expect identical twins to react to life and their individual perception EXACTLY THE SAME? Are you fucking kidding me? Do OTHER identical (looking) twins always share the exact same personality characteristics?

good fucking lord, when did TWINS become CLONES?

I guess the whole IDENTICALLY genetically escapes your idiotic concepts. IF as claimed, Homosexuality is Genetic, then they BOTH should be either homosexual or straight. Since they are IDENTICAL Twins. You know, both GENETICALLY the same?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What's the point of this thread? So what if homsexuality isn't genetic. So what if it is? Are you trying to assert that since homosexuality isn't genetic, its a choice? Well, that isn't true, ask any homosexual. Do you choose to be straight? No. So this thread is pointless. The End.

Actually yes we all CHOSE our sexuality. As kids most youth experiment with both. Yet MOST, about 97 percent, CHOSE to be normal.

 

[KittenKoder]

90% common DNA isn't identical:
Identical Twins' Genes Are Not Identical: Scientific American

 

[KittenKoder]

Hell ... even MSNBC printed it:
‘Identical’ twins? Not according to their DNA - More health news- msnbc.com

 

[KittenKoder]

Thus why it proves nothing either way. Of course you will deny this unless there was a pair of "identical" twins who were both gay.

 

[glockmail]

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I realized I could have said it better, but you get my point?

Some people want to make a case that individuals who turn out to be homosexual are only "choosing" to be "that way" and therefore they should be treated as second class citizens for "choosing" the wrong path in life? Judging by your OP, you seem to be attempting to support that theory?

I agree with Coloradoman -- What makes one become who they are does not determine whether or not one should be treated as a second class citizen, IF that's what your getting at.

I'll assume you're legitimately baffled by identical twins who turn out differently, but I really can't see why. Unique individuals who happen to be identical twins turn out to have all sorts of different tendencies or preferences in life. When one of the identical twins turns out to be a lefty, what does that mean? One tends to enjoy classical music, one tends to excel at mathematics, one tends to be introverted and one is gregarious, etc.

So what? As Shogun said, twins aren't clones.

Again, I'm going to limit my discussion of the scientific facts here, that in this case, the gay twin could not have been born that way. These two gals, obvious not clones, are obviously identical in nearly every way. Others have hypothesized that there may have been a hormonal difference in utero, but for that to be the case other aspects would have to be different as well. The gay twin obviously chose her orientation.

 

[KittenKoder]

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I realized I could have said it better, but you get my point?

Some people want to make a case that individuals who turn out to be homosexual are only "choosing" to be "that way" and therefore they should be treated as second class citizens for "choosing" the wrong path in life? Judging by your OP, you seem to be attempting to support that theory?

I agree with Coloradoman -- What makes one become who they are does not determine whether or not one should be treated as a second class citizen, IF that's what your getting at.

I'll assume you're legitimately baffled by identical twins who turn out differently, but I really can't see why. Unique individuals who happen to be identical twins turn out to have all sorts of different tendencies or preferences in life. When one of the identical twins turns out to be a lefty, what does that mean? One tends to enjoy classical music, one tends to excel at mathematics, one tends to be introverted and one is gregarious, etc.

So what? As Shogun said, twins aren't clones.

Again, I'm going to limit my discussion of the scientific facts here, that in this case, the gay twin could not have been born that way. These two gals, obvious not clones, are obviously identical in nearly every way. Others have hypothesized that there may have been a hormonal difference in utero, but for that to be the case other aspects would have to be different as well. The gay twin obviously chose her orientation.

Scientific Fact: Identical twins are NOT identical ...

 

[glockmail]

‘Identical’ twins? Not according to their DNA - More health news- msnbc.com

Now scientists find that when it comes to the genetics of identical twins, unexpectedly "there in fact are tiny differences and that they are relatively common,"

Homosexuality is a tiny difference? That's a stretch.