ICE Official Says he will not enforce US Federal Law for Arizona Illegals

[saveliberty]

Morton just wants to share fingerprint data. Thing is, illegals shouldn't be leaving fingerprints in Arizona.

If ICE is not going to help with immigrantion problems, we can eliminate the department right? No point to having it, if it will not do its function.

I think Arizona is way past caring if the federal government is going to help. That's why thye passed the law to begin with. Sounds like if Arizona wants to fix the illegal immigration problem they were on their own already.

Morton is simply a mouthpiece for 0bama in Chicago. President "I don't care if you have a frickin' job", needs establish his Kenyan citizenship soon.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

We can't you make this stuff up but you can? Look at the assumptions you made in just a few sentences. Did you read the article?

Yep... read the law and the article... made precisely ZERO assumptions... Everything I said is a demonstrable, incontrovertible fact.

Which, naturally... is not changed by the innuendo that such is not the case; but, I do agree that, innuendo was the best fraud you could perpetuate here.

So... at the end of the day, ya did the best ya could... God bless your little progressive heart.

You titled this, "ICE Official Says he will not enforce US Federal Law for Arizona Illegals". That's how you took John Morton's statement. I look upon his statement as saying that the department will stick to their priorities and in some ways it is no different than a judge saying he won't necessarily prosecute every speeder the cops hauls into his court.

My assumption is that I doubt ICE has the time, money and resources to process a stay-at-home mom illegally in the country with a husband and kids who are legal American citizens. You are welcome to yours that he didn't read the law.

Welcome to MY POINT!

Your inference jibes precisely with the title of the OP...

FACT: Illegal Immigration is ILLEGAL... Meaning that unlike the discretion to not prosecute someone suspected of speeding; who has the potential to NOT SPEED... The individual arrested in the US, who is in the US ILLEGALLY...CANNOT BE HERE LEGALLY... Thus one cannot simply CHOOSE not to prosecute those individuals; BECAUSE THERE IS NO MEANS WITHIN THE LAW TO DO SO! The authority may choose not to induce a penalty beyond deporting them... but the Authority MAY NOT CHOOSE TO JUST IGNORE THE LAW.

If a person is found to be in techincal violation of a law... Let's call it assault... Where the evidence is sketchy, thus the threshold of justice provides that the odds of proving it are slim, then the prosecutor can choose to simply not pursue the prosecution.

But where the evidence is incontrovertible... such as where the law says you can't BE HERE... yet HERE YA ARE; then the Prosecuting authority becomes derelect in their LAW ENFORCING DUTY where they CHOOSE TO SIMPLY IGNORE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENFORCE THE LAW.

Thus, we again return to the point, wherein YOU DISAGREE WITH THE LAW! You and those currently running ICE... DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE LAW IS FAIR! You DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE LAW SERVES JUSTICE; Thus you do nto BELIEVE IN THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE UNITED STATES...

If ICE does not have the means to enforce the law, that does NOT MEAN THAT THE LAW IS NOT VALID, THAT IT IS NOT MORALLY SOUND< THAT IT DOES NOT SERVE JUSTICE...

What it means is that the SYSTEM IS FLAWED...

And part and parcel of that fatal flaw is that THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO POLICE THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES...

Which serves reason... considering that the US Federal Government was not created FOR THAT PURPOSE... Thus a premise which declares that a system which is not designed to do what the premise requires, is a FALSE PREMISE... is it not?

So what's the solution?

The Solution is to simply recognize that the Federal Law is implicit to every member State... and that the STATE is therefore AUTHORIZED BY DEFAULT to enforce those federal laws... I.e: Arizona's Law...

All we need now is 49 other states to be required to do the SAME DAMN THING.

All the WHINING amounts to is the LEFT DECLARING THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO LAW WHICH SPEAKS TO IMMIGRATION... That anyone should be allowed to enter the US without question.

Which works for me... and you can expect that the INSTANT that you people strip ALL social entitlements out of the system, from free breakfast and lunches are schools, WIC, and Medicaid, etc... I'm on board with that.

As the INSTANT that you DO... you will have solved the immigration problem.

Ya see kids... the US Southern border has been an open border since the southern border existed... We didn't have a problem with people flooding into the US until when?

... ?

We didn't have a problem with illegal immigration until "THE GREAT SOCIETY"... in the early 1960s.

Stop the freebies... and you stop the wretched problems which you've defined above... "The SINGLE ILLEGAL ALIEN MOM WITH 4 US CITIZEN KIDS..."

And you will find that those who DO come here illegally, do so with NO EXPECTATION of being HANDED ANYTHING...

Of course THOSE PEOPLE are not likely to be found in UNION SHOPS... They won't be needing their community organized... They aren't likely to be voting for HOPE AND CHANGE... So they aren't really who the Anti-Americans are looking for.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If it is state law does he have a say?

All the Arizona State law does is to enforce the Federal Law...

What you have here, is the Hussein Regime proving that it has NO INTENTIONS OF ENFORCING US FEDERAL LAW...

In fact, what we have here is the Progressive mindset being exposed; a mindset which says that there is no US Sovereignty... they believe that anyone who wants to come to the US should simply come here; and attache themselves to the Federal and State tit, as soon as possible....

The only thing that NEWS-worthy about this, is that the Left is exposing who they are, WHOLLY distinct from their political rhetoric...

So there isn't a relevant state agency that can enforce the law... it relies on ICE?

The idea is to find and arrest these people and turn them over to Immigration, yes. It's what we've always done with illegals arrested for other crimes. The only difference is that now we're not asking our law enforcement to pretend they don't see that people are illegal until it's slapping them in the face.

 

[mudwhistle]

All the Arizona State law does is to enforce the Federal Law...

What you have here, is the Hussein Regime proving that it has NO INTENTIONS OF ENFORCING US FEDERAL LAW...

In fact, what we have here is the Progressive mindset being exposed; a mindset which says that there is no US Sovereignty... they believe that anyone who wants to come to the US should simply come here; and attache themselves to the Federal and State tit, as soon as possible....

The only thing that NEWS-worthy about this, is that the Left is exposing who they are, WHOLLY distinct from their political rhetoric...

So there isn't a relevant state agency that can enforce the law... it relies on ICE?

The idea is to find and arrest these people and turn them over to Immigration, yes. It's what we've always done with illegals arrested for other crimes. The only difference is that now we're not asking our law enforcement to pretend they don't see that people are illegal until it's slapping them in the face.

On the contrary this Administration wants to ignore the slap because he's thinking of all of the possible votes it will get him.

He doesn't give a crap who gets screwed over in the process.

And what I mean is the Americans on the borders that are being ignored....the illegals that are going through the trouble of coming here in hopes of a better life and eventually ending up being sent home....and the taxpayers of the states having to foot the bill to educate, provide health care, and give benefits of every kind imaginable.

 

[Yurt]

Shouldn't this thread be sent to the "immigration" category, as my thread about the economy was sent to the "economics" category?

 

[mudwhistle]

Shouldn't this thread be sent to the "immigration" category, as my thread about the economy was sent to the "economics" category?

Seems the economy isn't a current event anymore.

All the media wants to talk about is how terrible Arizona is being to those poor illegals.

 

[GHook93]

So in other words they aren't going to enforce the Federal law, shocker they never have!

Progressives subverting American Sovereignty...

More Socialists who HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE ARIZONA LAW... declare they will not ENFORCE US FEDERAL LAW for those illegals referred to the US Federal Immigration Dept... by Arizona.

ROFLMNAO...

Ya can't make this crap up!

 

[Polk]

I can understand his concern. While it would be desirable to crack down on all illegal immigration, we have limited resources and should invest our in getting rid illegal immigrants of those deemed dangerous to society.

 

[saveliberty]

The conclusion I have reached is we have a racist President. He will allow all Latinos to be second class citizens as the rest of us wonder if they are here legally or not. They will have to live in fear of changes in the adminstration leading to hunts for illegals.

 

[mudwhistle]

I can understand his concern. While it would be desirable to crack down on all illegal immigration, we have limited resources and should invest our in getting rid illegal immigrants of those deemed dangerous to society.

That's a pretty sounding rationalization...but it's not the truth.

He's just not worried about enforcing the law in Arizona.

As far as he and Obama are concerned they have no intention of helping Arizona with their illegal populations...whether they're violent or otherwise.

 

[my2¢]

All we need now is 49 other states to be required to do the SAME DAMN THING.

I guess I'm not impressed as you are about how the law has worked out these past 16 years in California.

834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully
cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization
Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is
suspected of being present in the United States in violation of
federal immigration laws.
(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected
of being present in the United States in violation of federal
immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the
following:
(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen
of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent
resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time
or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of
immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall
not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date
and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding
documentation to indicate his or her legal status.
(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien
who is present in the United States in violation of federal
immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal
justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or
leave the United States.
(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United
States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal
status and provide any additional information that may be requested
by any other public entity.
(c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city,
county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with
jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent
or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly
prohibited.

CHAPTER 5. ARREST, BY WHOM AND HOW MADE - Sections 833-851.90 - California Penal Code - California Code :: Justia

 

[Cecilie1200]

I can understand his concern. While it would be desirable to crack down on all illegal immigration, we have limited resources and should invest our in getting rid illegal immigrants of those deemed dangerous to society.

Straw man, Sparky. Illegals who've been convicted of crimes ALREADY get turned over to Immigration for deportation, and DO NOT attempt to tell me that you think we're so short of money that we can't manage to deport anyone else. I have a whole list of places we can cut the federal budget in order to free up some cash to protect our country from invasion.

I'll bet it's pretty damned easy to sit there in Atlanta and talk about how "some" illegals aren't harmful to society, seeing as it's not YOUR society that's on the front lines and being dragged under.

 

[Polk]

If you got out of your bubble, you'd know that there are large Hispanic populations all across this nation. Gainesville, just an hour or so up the freeway in the foothills of the mountains, is one-third Hispanic.

And no, it's not a straw man. That's why the official made the statement he did. Without digging in to it, they're not going to know if those turned over by the state of Arizona are being turned over because they committed a crime, or if beyond their illegal status, there only crime is breathing while brown.

 

[Gunny]

All we need now is 49 other states to be required to do the SAME DAMN THING.

I guess I'm not impressed as you are about how the law has worked out these past 16 years in California.

834b. (a) Every law enforcement agency in California shall fully
cooperate with the United States Immigration and Naturalization
Service regarding any person who is arrested if he or she is
suspected of being present in the United States in violation of
federal immigration laws.
(b) With respect to any such person who is arrested, and suspected
of being present in the United States in violation of federal
immigration laws, every law enforcement agency shall do the
following:
(1) Attempt to verify the legal status of such person as a citizen
of the United States, an alien lawfully admitted as a permanent
resident, an alien lawfully admitted for a temporary period of time
or as an alien who is present in the United States in violation of
immigration laws. The verification process may include, but shall
not be limited to, questioning the person regarding his or her date
and place of birth, and entry into the United States, and demanding
documentation to indicate his or her legal status.
(2) Notify the person of his or her apparent status as an alien
who is present in the United States in violation of federal
immigration laws and inform him or her that, apart from any criminal
justice proceedings, he or she must either obtain legal status or
leave the United States.
(3) Notify the Attorney General of California and the United
States Immigration and Naturalization Service of the apparent illegal
status and provide any additional information that may be requested
by any other public entity.
(c) Any legislative, administrative, or other action by a city,
county, or other legally authorized local governmental entity with
jurisdictional boundaries, or by a law enforcement agency, to prevent
or limit the cooperation required by subdivision (a) is expressly
prohibited.

CHAPTER 5. ARREST, BY WHOM AND HOW MADE - Sections 833-851.90 - California Penal Code - California Code :: Justia

A whole 16 years? Wow.

I'm not even from that sucky state and have more time on ground than you.

Simple fact: the laws are on the books. Find the 'nads to enforce them.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If you got out of your bubble, you'd know that there are large Hispanic populations all across this nation. Gainesville, just an hour or so up the freeway in the foothills of the mountains, is one-third Hispanic.

And no, it's not a straw man. That's why the official made the statement he did. Without digging in to it, they're not going to know if those turned over by the state of Arizona are being turned over because they committed a crime, or if beyond their illegal status, there only crime is breathing while brown.

Who said anything about Hispanics? I'm talking about illegals, and I find it very racist that YOU'RE talking about Hispanics. Would you like to try to convince me that Atlanta, GA, is in the same boat regarding illegals flooding across THEIR border with Mexico that Arizona is?

It's most certainly a straw man, because you're trying to pretend the argument is about "we can only afford to deport a FEW illegals, so we have to pick and choose", which is utter bullshit.

They don't NEED to know whether the illegals being turned over committed any other crime. They're illegal, which is all ICE has to know, and has fuck-all to do with "breathing while brown". Maybe people in YOUR neck of the woods think that way, but we'd appreciate it if you wouldn't project your filthy, ignorant racism onto us.

 

[Gunny]

If you got out of your bubble, you'd know that there are large Hispanic populations all across this nation. Gainesville, just an hour or so up the freeway in the foothills of the mountains, is one-third Hispanic.

And no, it's not a straw man. That's why the official made the statement he did. Without digging in to it, they're not going to know if those turned over by the state of Arizona are being turned over because they committed a crime, or if beyond their illegal status, there only crime is breathing while brown.

Who said anything about Hispanics? I'm talking about illegals, and I find it very racist that YOU'RE talking about Hispanics. Would you like to try to convince me that Atlanta, GA, is in the same boat regarding illegals flooding across THEIR border with Mexico that Arizona is?

It's most certainly a straw man, because you're trying to pretend the argument is about "we can only afford to deport a FEW illegals, so we have to pick and choose", which is utter bullshit.

They don't NEED to know whether the illegals being turned over committed any other crime. They're illegal, which is all ICE has to know, and has fuck-all to do with "breathing while brown". Maybe people in YOUR neck of the woods think that way, but we'd appreciate it if you wouldn't project your filthy, ignorant racism onto us.

*Ouch*

That HAD to hurt.

 

[Polk]

If you got out of your bubble, you'd know that there are large Hispanic populations all across this nation. Gainesville, just an hour or so up the freeway in the foothills of the mountains, is one-third Hispanic.

And no, it's not a straw man. That's why the official made the statement he did. Without digging in to it, they're not going to know if those turned over by the state of Arizona are being turned over because they committed a crime, or if beyond their illegal status, there only crime is breathing while brown.

Who said anything about Hispanics? I'm talking about illegals, and I find it very racist that YOU'RE talking about Hispanics. Would you like to try to convince me that Atlanta, GA, is in the same boat regarding illegals flooding across THEIR border with Mexico that Arizona is?

It's most certainly a straw man, because you're trying to pretend the argument is about "we can only afford to deport a FEW illegals, so we have to pick and choose", which is utter bullshit.

They don't NEED to know whether the illegals being turned over committed any other crime. They're illegal, which is all ICE has to know, and has fuck-all to do with "breathing while brown". Maybe people in YOUR neck of the woods think that way, but we'd appreciate it if you wouldn't project your filthy, ignorant racism onto us.

*Ouch*

That HAD to hurt.

Why would it? Klan types like her love to project.

 

[Polk]

If you got out of your bubble, you'd know that there are large Hispanic populations all across this nation. Gainesville, just an hour or so up the freeway in the foothills of the mountains, is one-third Hispanic.

And no, it's not a straw man. That's why the official made the statement he did. Without digging in to it, they're not going to know if those turned over by the state of Arizona are being turned over because they committed a crime, or if beyond their illegal status, there only crime is breathing while brown.

Who said anything about Hispanics? I'm talking about illegals, and I find it very racist that YOU'RE talking about Hispanics. Would you like to try to convince me that Atlanta, GA, is in the same boat regarding illegals flooding across THEIR border with Mexico that Arizona is?

It's most certainly a straw man, because you're trying to pretend the argument is about "we can only afford to deport a FEW illegals, so we have to pick and choose", which is utter bullshit.

They don't NEED to know whether the illegals being turned over committed any other crime. They're illegal, which is all ICE has to know, and has fuck-all to do with "breathing while brown". Maybe people in YOUR neck of the woods think that way, but we'd appreciate it if you wouldn't project your filthy, ignorant racism onto us.

Yeah, I'm sure it's the Canadians you're worried about, eh?

 

[Polk]

Some posters around here aren't quite as up on the deflection as you are..

Legal Mexican Americans??? Isn't that a misnomer?

 

[Cecilie1200]

If you got out of your bubble, you'd know that there are large Hispanic populations all across this nation. Gainesville, just an hour or so up the freeway in the foothills of the mountains, is one-third Hispanic.

And no, it's not a straw man. That's why the official made the statement he did. Without digging in to it, they're not going to know if those turned over by the state of Arizona are being turned over because they committed a crime, or if beyond their illegal status, there only crime is breathing while brown.

Who said anything about Hispanics? I'm talking about illegals, and I find it very racist that YOU'RE talking about Hispanics. Would you like to try to convince me that Atlanta, GA, is in the same boat regarding illegals flooding across THEIR border with Mexico that Arizona is?

It's most certainly a straw man, because you're trying to pretend the argument is about "we can only afford to deport a FEW illegals, so we have to pick and choose", which is utter bullshit.

They don't NEED to know whether the illegals being turned over committed any other crime. They're illegal, which is all ICE has to know, and has fuck-all to do with "breathing while brown". Maybe people in YOUR neck of the woods think that way, but we'd appreciate it if you wouldn't project your filthy, ignorant racism onto us.

Yeah, I'm sure it's the Canadians you're worried about, eh?

I'm worried about ANYONE in my country illegally. What race or ethnicity they are is of no interest to me. Only a racist thinks that it's necessary to consider such things when deciding whether or not a crime should be punished. Take a look in the mirror.