I was at a party with a bunch of Doctors last night....

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  1. geauxtohell
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    Ranging from those who are starting on July 1st (like me) to those who have practiced for a few years to those that have practiced for a decade.

    All anyone could talk about was ACA and it wasn't good.

    The more experienced doctors were already making plans to leave medicine. I heard comments along the line of "this is the end of medicine." "The system is going to implode." "You will basically be working for peanuts in an environment that is going to be rife with litigation and no shields." "Your only hope is for Romney to win and get rid of this monstrosity, otherwise you should leave now."

    Actually, I didn't hear any of this. I didn't hear anything good or bad about the ACA. Most people seemed unconcerned.

    I believe they are unconcerned because no one knows what the true effect* of ACA is going to be. I had a good laugh at my local conservative talker guy trying to articulate what he thought this would do to patient care. He sounded like an idiot, because the things he was saying made absolutely no sense to someone familiar with patient care.

    ACA could indeed be disastrous policy. It could also be great policy. I just don't know. And I don't think you, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or Ed Schultz do either.

    *Meaning the effect on health care delivery in this country and not the effect on individual tax payers in regard to cost.
     
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    83% of doctors said they would seriously consider leaving medicine.
     
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    Link?
     
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    SS & Medicare are a disaster... this will be better?

    Yeah, right.

    :lol:
     
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    Must have taken a doctor to pull something like that out of your ass, ask him how he feels about it.
     
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    Are you too friggin' lazy to find the link yourself, or are you just afraid of the TRUTH.
     
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    "Self Pay" is a disaster. Do you know why your CT costs $900? Because all the "Self Pay" people who pay $0 for their CTs.
     
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    Here is an informative article on how and why things are bound to be effected...


     
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    AS with most people YOU have NO idea how health finances work but I do as I started a company that everyday helps at least 10,000 times a DAY health care providers know if they will be paid by Medicare! So I have access that YOU and many others don't!

    The FACT is Obamacare was a tax but if Obamacare had been HONESTLY presented to the 6 votes JUST 6 that it passed by, IT would NOT have passed because most of the people that voted YES DIDN"T understand there were 21 NEW taxes being raised in Obamacare!
    If they knew that some of the YES votes would have been NO!

    The FACT that Obamacare will as Obama wants DESTROY 1,400 health insurance companies over time. Putting 400,000 people out of work AND eliminating over $100 billion a year in Federal/State/Local and property taxes!
    Where will that $100 billion come from?

    Finally MOST of those people that voted yes and I know YOU for sure think there were 50 million "uninsured"... THERE ARE NOT!!!
    10 million are not citizens says the Census Bureau!
    14 million are covered by Medicaid but said they were not and they are counted!
    Finally now 17.5 million that for the majority NeVER added ONE cent to the $60 billion in
    what hospitals call "uncompensated" services!
    YET these people were counted.
    So truly less then 8 million are in need of insurance... AND everyone of those doctors would agree.. One of the reason health insurance has increased more is the $600 billion a year in duplicate tests, specialist referrals anything these doctors do to protect their butts from lawsuits!
    Tell you what you ask everyone of those doctors if they would favor a 10% tax on lawyers as Obamacare taxed tanning salons and the $10 billion of lawyers $100 billion income would have provided insurance for the truly UNINSURED!
    They would love it!
     
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    Feel better?

    I have some idea of how "health finances" work. I am probably one of the few posters on here that knows how the ICD 9 system works.....

    The nice thing about being a physician is that I don't have to question my utility in the patient-care loop.

    I can certainly imagine that some of the more tangential personnel, middle men, and ancillary people (Insurance) are sweating right now.
     
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    and lots of Doctors like the ACA.

    go figure

    :eek:
     
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    The Doctor Patient Medical Association has released a new survey of about 700 doctors, and the results are bleak. Scary bleak. Among other dismal figures, Doctors' Attitudes on the Future of Medicine: What’s Wrong, Who’s to Blame, and What Will Fix It found that 83% of respondents are contemplating leaving the industry if Obamacare is fully implemented, owing to its disastrous projected consequences. Indeed, they openly blame the healthcare law for their industry's woes:

    KEY FINDINGS

    90% say the medical system is on the WRONG TRACK
    83% say they are thinking about QUITTING
    61% say the system challenges their ETHICS
    85% say the patient-physician relationship is in a TAILSPIN
    65% say GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT is most to blame for current problems
    72% say individual insurance mandate will NOT result in improved access care
    49% say they will STOP accepting Medicaid patients
    74% say they will STOP ACCEPTING Medicare patients, or leave Medicare completely
    52% say they would rather treat some Medicaid/Medicare patient for FREE
    57% give the AMA a FAILING GRADE representing them
    1 out of 3 doctors is HESITANT to voice their opinion
    2 out of 3 say they are JUST SQUEAKING BY OR IN THE RED financially
    95% say private practice is losing out to CORPORATE MEDICINE
    80% say DOCTORS/MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS are most likely to help solve things
    70% say REDUCING GOVERNMENT would be single best fix.

    Thanks Obamacare: 83% of Doctors Surveyed Say They May Quit - Kate Hicks
     
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    Not lots but some. Definitely not a majority.
     
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    Of COURSE they do! They gotta blame somebody. Insurance is a monster, and it is one that is based on a faulty business model. We cannot keep going on the road we're on.

    I would love to hear what everybody else's solutions are (unless, of course, they run along the lines of 'stick 'em on an ice floe and ship 'em out to sea').

    By the way, this post was in response to Intense's. Unfortunately, another member threw himself in between. ;)
     
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    Please don't ever link to TownHall again, it makes you looks stupid.
    Doctor Patient Medical Association - SourceWatch

    In other words, a bunch of partisan hacks.
     
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    I guess you would believe anything a lobbying firm would tell you.
     
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    the responsibility is on the person who makes the claim, not the person who asks for proof. Pisses me off when either party pulls that shit in here... making a claim with no link to back it up, then people ask for a link and they're told go find it themselves.
     
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    thank you. However, Katz should have been the one to post this.
     
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    YOU ARE a liar! It is NOW ICD-10 and you have NO idea how the ICD-10 system works much less what the medical liability ratio is right now.
    IDIOTS like you who stupidly hate profit making entities have NO Idea that the AVERAGE health insurance company ranks 22 out of 50 in net profits at an average of 4%.

    AND THIS IS after the average insurance company ALREADY pays out 80% of the premium revenue in claims to people like you that pad and pass claims like some hospitals do of 6,000% markups!
    Don't you DARE tell me these insurance companies are the evil ones here!
    Why don't you get after the telecomm people that net an average of 20% profit!

    Dumb ignorant people like you that pretend to be in the health care loop are the worst!
    YOUR doctor out of fear of lawsuits is part of the $600 billion a year in defensive medicine but you defend the lawyers!
    YOU defend the government run health care Medicare and THEY are the ones (and you obviously never heard of EMTALA!!) force hospitals to markup sometimes 6,000% CAT scans, level 5 care, etc l.. (do you have access as I do to a database of 6,000 medicare hospitals and what they charged Medicare??? I didn't think so!)..
    All because the hospitals have to Pad and pass to Medicare/insurance companies the $60 billion a year in "uncompensated services" all due to EMTALA!

    Look up EMTALA and see what these physicians have to say about it!

    A study released in May by the American Medical Association found that physicians lost $4.2 billion in revenue in 2001 providing care mandated by the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. The law requires doctors to screen and stabilize emergency patients regardless of whether they have health insurance or are able to pay for their care.
    hysicians incurred an average of $12,300 each in bad debt attributable to EMTALA. This represented about 13.7% their total bad debt in 2001.

    EMTALA costs physicians billions in unreimbursed care - amednews.com

    1) More than half (53 percent) of emergency physicians reported that fear of lawsuits is the main reason for ordering the number of tests they do.
    Emergency Visits Are Increasing, New Poll Finds; Many Patients Referred by Primary Care Doctors

    2) Nine out of 10 physicians reported practicing defensive medicine.
    Estimate Defensive Medicine Costs Americans $650-850 Billion Annually
    Doctors Practice Medicine in Fear, New Study Finds

    Then Today:...
    FACTS: By some estimates, unnecessary treatment constitutes one-third of medical spending in the United States. [1/3 of $2.5 trillion is $800 billion a year!!!]
    a group of nine medical specialty boards plans to recommend on Wednesday that doctors perform 45 common tests and procedures less often, and to urge patients to question these services if they are offered. Eight other specialty boards are preparing to follow suit with additional lists of procedures their members should perform far less often.


    DEAL with FACTS!!!! Not hyperbole.. not anecdotal.. NOT out of IGNORANCE!!
     

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