I Really Like Ron Paul but I'm Enthusiastically Voting for Obama!

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  1. IndependntLogic
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    Ron Paul is really the only guy worth watching in the debates. He's just so danm honest! I agree with him on a LOT of points too e.g. Why TF are we giving money to foreign politicians when we don't even trust our own; the war on drugs has already been lost etc...
    But the stuff I disagree with him on, I disagree with so strongly that I won't vote for him. Plus I find the Libertarian Philosophy very flawed when it comes to The Market correcting itself. I've lived in places that had virturally no corporate regulation. No thanks.
    I didn't like Obama at all for about two years. There are two things I'm still pretty furious with him about: ObamaCare and NDAA. Oh well.
    But he has kept a LOT of his promises (including ObamaCare, which was one I wish he hadn't).
    I didn't blame Bush for high prices and I don't blame Obama (well, maybe just a little but not to the extent the ConservaRepubs would like to believe).
    I find this to be the most absurd time in history for the GOP to be so focused on social issues. I am former military and had friends who were Force Recon in Afghanistan. An Army translator listened in on chatter and kept them away from some seriously bad juju. Turned out he was gay. Took weeks to get another guy fluent in Pashtu or whatever TF it was.
    So repealing DADT was a seriously big deal to a lot of people.
    Also, as the DOO of a charity that helps returning troops and Veterans, I watched them get screwed by the GOP for years. Obama has funded a TON of programs for Vets and the VA that I like a lot. Also, he specifically had language written in that put in place the strongest protective measures of women in the military in history.
    When I'm volunteering, the three candidates I hear the most positives things about are #1. Obama #2. Ron Paul and #3. "Anyone but Obama" (from the diehard ConservaRepubs). But there is no denying, this guy is liked a lot more military than any Dem in a long time.
    Getting us out of Iraq is a big deal. I know it was already set but gee, have presidents spun things and broken promises before. So okey dokey.
    He said he'd take the focus to Afghanistan and go after the people who actually attacked America. He killed more Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders in a couple years, than Bush did in eight. He followed the leads from dozens of SOF ops to Pakistan. Then, right in public, he negotiated the release of a US spy from the Pakistan government. A couple months later, He got Bin Laden and yes, I give him credit for that. Now that we finally MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, he's announced the withdraw from Afghanistan. All Bush's wars are over. The most important one, won by Obama.
    And waddya know. We're getting out.
    Libya. The Republicans (Boehner, Cantor) were screaming we should "Do Something". Then, with an actual NATO led force, we did. Not one American life. Quick withdraw. So of course, the Republicans suddenly became doves and screamed "Hey! He DID something!". WTF??? Hypocrisy much?
    Same thing with Aw Lakhi. Suddenly the GOP sounded more like the ACLU! WTF!!!!

    So what are the Republicans offering me? Romney seemed worth a look but he has been forced into Romney Version 5.9 by the other two. Now he is so socially Conservative! For now.

    After months of talking about the fact that, even if the Dow is going up and UnEmployment is (according to FOX) going down and manufacturing is going up and.... well whatever, ALL is Doom & Gloom! Also it's all about the DEFICIT! That's the key folks!
    So they all released their budgets. All of their budgets RAISE THE DEFICIT!!! WTF??? (okay not Ron Paul).
    The same low taxes that haven't made a dam bit of difference in the economy or unemployment for years, will suddenly cure all ills if we elect them. Riiiiight.
    Gay marriage? Like I care. But I do think they should be able to visit each other in hospitals and get benefits or whatever? Sure why not.
    Contraception? Are you outta your dam mind??? Yeah, THAT will get my vote.
    All these social issues leave me and pretty much everyone I know, unimpressed. Especially now.

    The GOP candidates suck. Really, badly.
    Obama isn't great but during the last year he's been pretty dam good.
    I'm voting for him.
     
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    How can you look at the enormous list of President Obama's accomplishments and even consider voting for anyone else?

    The man has been amazing.

    And, having experienced so-called "socialized" medical care and since I already get several benefits from ObamaCare, I couldn't be happier about it.

    (No, ObamaCare isn't "socialized medicine". The really stupid (Repub) system we have now IS though. Its time for everyone, even pubs and bags, to have to pay for their own care.)
     
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    Easily. He passed the NDAA, that alone makes him 100% unworthy of being president in my eyes. And before you ask, yes, I feel the same way about anyone else who voted for it or supports it (like Romney).

    Unlike the rest of you party hacks, I don't put party politics above my right to a fair trial.
     
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    Abso-fucking-lutely!!! Obama shits on the Constitution with the NDAA, he blows another couple TRILLION dollars and because Nerdly gets some free health care,and because IL gets something good for the vets, they're all good with it.

    What the fuck are you guys THINKING?!?
     
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    Did she say her health care was FREE? I missed it if she did.... she said she benefited from several parts of it....like the poster auditor, he's been able to get insurance now....when he was denied by all insurance companies before....

    sooo, if she did say what YOU have said, I apologize in thinking you were being presumptuous.
     
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    And then there are those who can’t stand Ron Paul and are reluctantly voting for Obama.

    The election boils down to which candidate gets more of the hold your nose and vote vote.
    Congress passed the NDAA, Obama signed it.

    Otherwise, ‘in your eyes’ is fine, you have the right to believe the NDAA does whatever you might fantasizing it doing.

    The truth is the opposite, however.

    The above is one of many reasons why Obama will be reelected.
     
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    Not exactly Independent. And no hint of logic.

    Usernames are phunnee.
     
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    So who would you vote for?
     
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    I am surprised at this thread. I never thought there was any doubt about who you would vote for, IL.

    Immie
     
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    Hmmm. No points made. Topic not addressed. Juvenile bs. So then, you must be a ConservaRepub, right?
     

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