I Really Like Ron Paul but I'm Enthusiastically Voting for Obama!

[GuyPinestra]

Well then the most obvious difference between us is that I can respect a differing opinion.

Yeah, especially when it's your own...

Ron Paul is really the only guy worth watching in the debates. He's just so danm honest! I agree with him on a LOT of points too e.g. Why TF are we giving money to foreign politicians when we don't even trust our own; the war on drugs has already been lost etc...

I didn't like Obama at all for about two years. There are two things I'm still pretty furious with him about: ObamaCare and NDAA. Oh well.
But he has kept a LOT of his promises (including ObamaCare, which was one I wish he hadn't).

Or was that just a bunch of made up shit to start a Friday Night Troll Thread?

I shoulda known, dismissing the multi-trillion dollar Obamacare fiasco and the Constitution-shredding NDAA with an 'Oh well."

In hindsight, that was a pretty obvious clue.

Ha ha...

 

[The T]

Ron Paul is really the only guy worth watching in the debates. He's just so danm honest! I agree with him on a LOT of points too e.g. Why TF are we giving money to foreign politicians when we don't even trust our own; the war on drugs has already been lost etc...
But the stuff I disagree with him on, I disagree with so strongly that I won't vote for him. Plus I find the Libertarian Philosophy very flawed when it comes to The Market correcting itself. I've lived in places that had virturally no corporate regulation. No thanks.
I didn't like Obama at all for about two years. There are two things I'm still pretty furious with him about: ObamaCare and NDAA. Oh well.
But he has kept a LOT of his promises (including ObamaCare, which was one I wish he hadn't).
I didn't blame Bush for high prices and I don't blame Obama (well, maybe just a little but not to the extent the ConservaRepubs would like to believe).
I find this to be the most absurd time in history for the GOP to be so focused on social issues. I am former military and had friends who were Force Recon in Afghanistan. An Army translator listened in on chatter and kept them away from some seriously bad juju. Turned out he was gay. Took weeks to get another guy fluent in Pashtu or whatever TF it was.
So repealing DADT was a seriously big deal to a lot of people.
Also, as the DOO of a charity that helps returning troops and Veterans, I watched them get screwed by the GOP for years. Obama has funded a TON of programs for Vets and the VA that I like a lot. Also, he specifically had language written in that put in place the strongest protective measures of women in the military in history.
When I'm volunteering, the three candidates I hear the most positives things about are #1. Obama #2. Ron Paul and #3. "Anyone but Obama" (from the diehard ConservaRepubs). But there is no denying, this guy is liked a lot more military than any Dem in a long time.
Getting us out of Iraq is a big deal. I know it was already set but gee, have presidents spun things and broken promises before. So okey dokey.
He said he'd take the focus to Afghanistan and go after the people who actually attacked America. He killed more Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders in a couple years, than Bush did in eight. He followed the leads from dozens of SOF ops to Pakistan. Then, right in public, he negotiated the release of a US spy from the Pakistan government. A couple months later, He got Bin Laden and yes, I give him credit for that. Now that we finally MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, he's announced the withdraw from Afghanistan. All Bush's wars are over. The most important one, won by Obama.
And waddya know. We're getting out.
Libya. The Republicans (Boehner, Cantor) were screaming we should "Do Something". Then, with an actual NATO led force, we did. Not one American life. Quick withdraw. So of course, the Republicans suddenly became doves and screamed "Hey! He DID something!". WTF??? Hypocrisy much?
Same thing with Aw Lakhi. Suddenly the GOP sounded more like the ACLU! WTF!!!!

So what are the Republicans offering me? Romney seemed worth a look but he has been forced into Romney Version 5.9 by the other two. Now he is so socially Conservative! For now.

After months of talking about the fact that, even if the Dow is going up and UnEmployment is (according to FOX) going down and manufacturing is going up and.... well whatever, ALL is Doom & Gloom! Also it's all about the DEFICIT! That's the key folks!
So they all released their budgets. All of their budgets RAISE THE DEFICIT!!! WTF??? (okay not Ron Paul).
The same low taxes that haven't made a dam bit of difference in the economy or unemployment for years, will suddenly cure all ills if we elect them. Riiiiight.
Gay marriage? Like I care. But I do think they should be able to visit each other in hospitals and get benefits or whatever? Sure why not.
Contraception? Are you outta your dam mind??? Yeah, THAT will get my vote.
All these social issues leave me and pretty much everyone I know, unimpressed. Especially now.

The GOP candidates suck. Really, badly.
Obama isn't great but during the last year he's been pretty dam good.
I'm voting for him.

LIAR. Seminar poster.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Not exactly Independent. And no hint of logic.

Usernames are phunnee.

"Independents" are either Obama Fluffers pretending to be "thoughtful" or just not mentally in the game

Exact same thing. Nothing on any topic discussed. Nothing of substance. Just puerile bs.

Another ConservaRepub!

 

[The T]

Not exactly Independent. And no hint of logic.

Usernames are phunnee.

"Independents" are either Obama Fluffers pretending to be "thoughtful" or just not mentally in the game

Exact same thing. Nothing on any topic discussed. Nothing of substance. Just puerile bs.

Another ConservaRepub!

Translation: "Same As I do myself..."

Noted you address it when Frank isn't here.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Well then the most obvious difference between us is that I can respect a differing opinion.

Yeah, especially when it's your own...

Ron Paul is really the only guy worth watching in the debates. He's just so danm honest! I agree with him on a LOT of points too e.g. Why TF are we giving money to foreign politicians when we don't even trust our own; the war on drugs has already been lost etc...

I didn't like Obama at all for about two years. There are two things I'm still pretty furious with him about: ObamaCare and NDAA. Oh well.
But he has kept a LOT of his promises (including ObamaCare, which was one I wish he hadn't).

Or was that just a bunch of made up shit to start a Friday Night Troll Thread?

I shoulda known, dismissing the multi-trillion dollar Obamacare fiasco and the Constitution-shredding NDAA with an 'Oh well."

In hindsight, that was a pretty obvious clue.

Ha ha...

No that wasn't it. Ya see Junior, not everyone has to be a mindless drone who agrees with a candidate on everything. Some of us are able to find merit in some of Ron Paul's (or other candidates') positions, without becoming an apostle.
I know lemmings can't figure that out. Maybe if you have a friend who is one of those "Liberal Elitist", they can explain it to you!

 

[The T]

Well then the most obvious difference between us is that I can respect a differing opinion.

Yeah, especially when it's your own...

I didn't like Obama at all for about two years. There are two things I'm still pretty furious with him about: ObamaCare and NDAA. Oh well.
But he has kept a LOT of his promises (including ObamaCare, which was one I wish he hadn't).

Or was that just a bunch of made up shit to start a Friday Night Troll Thread?

I shoulda known, dismissing the multi-trillion dollar Obamacare fiasco and the Constitution-shredding NDAA with an 'Oh well."

In hindsight, that was a pretty obvious clue.

Ha ha...

No that wasn't it. Ya see Junior, not everyone has to be a mindless drone who agrees with a candidate on everything. Some of us are able to find merit in some of Ron Paul's (or other candidates') positions, without becoming an apostle.
I know lemmings can't figure that out. Maybe if you have a friend who is one of those "Liberal Elitist", they can explain it to you!

Judging from many of your posts? I'd say YOU are a mindless drone.

There's NOTHING "Independent" of you.

YOU are Obama sent.

Admit it.

 

[IndependntLogic]

"Independents" are either Obama Fluffers pretending to be "thoughtful" or just not mentally in the game

Exact same thing. Nothing on any topic discussed. Nothing of substance. Just puerile bs.

Another ConservaRepub!

Translation: "Same As I do myself..."

Noted you address it when Frank isn't here.

let me dumb this down so even a complete moron can understand it. Ya see, in my OP, I discussed very specific things. They're called "issues". Are ya still with me? Good! The "issues" I discussed are the "topic" of the thread! In this case, it included things like Iraq, Afghanistan, Veteran's Affairs and other thing! (Try to keep up!).
So what happens when ConservaRepubs like you come into a thread with all kinds of facts, issues and such? They say nothing about things like "Topics"! Those are WAY to complicated for such small minds and weak debaters!
So instead they say really stupid shet like "Becaue he doesn't agree with me on everything, he must not be Independent!"
Because the Moron Brigade has only one definition of an "Independent": Someone who agrees with them on everything.
Now go ask a Lib what "Laughable Stupidity" means.
There! Glad I could help you T! I'm a helper. It's what I do. I help.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Well then the most obvious difference between us is that I can respect a differing opinion.

Yeah, especially when it's your own...

I didn't like Obama at all for about two years. There are two things I'm still pretty furious with him about: ObamaCare and NDAA. Oh well.
But he has kept a LOT of his promises (including ObamaCare, which was one I wish he hadn't).

Or was that just a bunch of made up shit to start a Friday Night Troll Thread?

I shoulda known, dismissing the multi-trillion dollar Obamacare fiasco and the Constitution-shredding NDAA with an 'Oh well."

In hindsight, that was a pretty obvious clue.

Ha ha...

No that wasn't it. Ya see Junior, not everyone has to be a mindless drone who agrees with a candidate on everything. Some of us are able to find merit in some of Ron Paul's (or other candidates') positions, without becoming an apostle.
I know lemmings can't figure that out. Maybe if you have a friend who is one of those "Liberal Elitist", they can explain it to you!

Bullshit IL, and you know it. This was nothing more than an exercise, fishing for someone to insult with your 'rapier-like wit.' See, you got 3 MORE zingers in your reply, well done.
You're such a see-through hack...

 

[Liability]

Not exactly Independent. And no hint of logic.

Usernames are phunnee.

Hmmm. No points made. Topic not addressed. Juvenile bs. So then, you must be a ConservaRepub, right?

The point which you aren't bright enough to see (or honest enough to admit) is that you are not independent and that you do not employ logic.

Thus, your username is very much erroneous, wrong, dishonest, ironic and worthless.

And, no. I am not a Republican.

 

[Warrior102]

How can you look at the enormous list of President Obama's accomplishments and even consider voting for anyone else?

The man has been amazing.

Put your mouth back on his ass and STFU

 

[Liability]

How can you look at the enormous list of President Obama's accomplishments and even consider voting for anyone else?

The man has been amazing.

* * * *

The ENORMOUS "list" of President Obama's "Accomplishments:"

• Osama bin Laden dead. Check.

• Al-Awlaki dead. Check.

• Imposing ObamaCare on America against its wishes. Check.

End of list. Note, only the first two qualify as actual "accomplishments."

Yeah.

A real cracker jack, that one.

 

[AquaAthena]

Not exactly Independent. And no hint of logic.

Usernames are phunnee.

"Independents" are either Obama Fluffers pretending to be "thoughtful" or just not mentally in the game

I have also, quite often, thought that to be the case. They avoid taking a stand, at least in public. It saves them from having to make a case. It is, "safe."

 

[BluePhantom]

So what are the Republicans offering me? Romney seemed worth a look but he has been forced into Romney Version 5.9 by the other two. Now he is so socially Conservative! For now.
All these social issues leave me and pretty much everyone I know, unimpressed. Especially now...The GOP candidates suck. Really, badly.

Weeeeeeeeeellllllllllll.....be patient. Right now what we are seeing in the GOP primaries is the typical tactics. They go hard to the right in the primaries and once someone has locked up the nomination he will tack back to center. It's just the game of politics according to the way our system is set up. Social issues will be largely irrelevant once the nomination is secure and it will be all about the economy.

The problem is that securing the nomination means you must appeal to the most energized members of the base....the one's who actually bother to go vote in the primaries and those people tend to be far more extreme in their views regardless of which party we're talking about. So right now everyone is rushing around trying to prove they are "true conservatives" because it will be the hard core conservatives doing most of the primary voting. Once that's over with all these other issues will take a back seat and the nominee will start softening his stance to appeal to moderates, like myself, and Independents which is where the final election will be won and lost.

The real danger that faces the GOP is pulling a Sharon Angle and nominating someone so extreme in their views and in their record that they stand no chance of working back to the middle once the nomination is secured. Right now Santorum is the Sharon Angle of the Republican field.

 

[Oddball]

Not exactly Independent. And no hint of logic.

Usernames are phunnee.

Hmmm. No points made. Topic not addressed. Juvenile bs. So then, you must be a ConservaRepub, right?

The point which you aren't bright enough to see (or honest enough to admit) is that you are not independent and that you do not employ logic.

Thus, your username is very much erroneous, wrong, dishonest, ironic and worthless.

And, no. I am not a Republican.

People who describe themselves in terms of what they aren't (i.e. "independent") are usually the biggest poseurs you'll encounter.

Why, I do believe it was somewhere in the neighborhood of about a month or two ago that the particular poseur in question started a thread, proclaiming that there was no fucking way he'd vote for the Boiking again.

 

[Liability]

Hmmm. No points made. Topic not addressed. Juvenile bs. So then, you must be a ConservaRepub, right?

The point which you aren't bright enough to see (or honest enough to admit) is that you are not independent and that you do not employ logic.

Thus, your username is very much erroneous, wrong, dishonest, ironic and worthless.

And, no. I am not a Republican.

People who describe themselves in terms of what they aren't (i.e. "independent") are usually the biggest poseurs you'll encounter.

Why, I do believe it was somewhere in the neighborhood of about a month or two ago that the particular poseur in question started a thread, proclaiming that there was no fucking way he'd vote for the Boiking again.

I didn't see it, but I don't doubt it at all.

It reeks of him.

 

[Oddball]

Not exactly Independent. And no hint of logic.

Usernames are phunnee.

Hmmm. No points made. Topic not addressed. Juvenile bs. So then, you must be a ConservaRepub, right?

I Really Like Ron Paul but I'm Enthusiastically Voting for Obama!

He addressed the thread topic alright....Like everything else, it's all about you.

 

[paulitician]

Really really dumb poster. Likes Ron Paul, yet is gonna vote for more Big Government Socialist/Progressive misery. This is exactly why dumb people really shouldn't Vote. They should do their Patriotic Duty and just stay home on Election Day...


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wro-1G5gb_Y]John Stossel : Should everybody vote? (Eng/Swe/Fin subtitles) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Liability]

Not exactly Independent. And no hint of logic.

Usernames are phunnee.

Hmmm. No points made. Topic not addressed. Juvenile bs. So then, you must be a ConservaRepub, right?

I Really Like Ron Paul but I'm Enthusiastically Voting for Obama!

He addressed the thread topic alright....Like everything else, it's all about you.

Cannot rep you twice in a row.

Limitations suck!

 

[Wacky Quacky]

Congress passed the NDAA, Obama signed it.

Otherwise, ‘in your eyes’ is fine, you have the right to believe the NDAA does whatever you might fantasizing it doing.

The truth is the opposite, however.

And by signing it, passed it. Don't worry though, I hate everyone remotely involved in writing and passing it. I don't just hate Obama for it, I hate them all.

And by your statement I see you're still clinging on to the version that didn't pass, not the one that did.

 

[Paulie]

How can you look at the enormous list of President Obama's accomplishments and even consider voting for anyone else?

The man has been amazing.

* * * *

The ENORMOUS "list" of President Obama's "Accomplishments:"

• Osama bin Laden dead. Check.

• Al-Awlaki dead. Check.

• Imposing ObamaCare on America against its wishes. Check.

End of list. Note, only the first two qualify as actual "accomplishments."

Yeah.

A real cracker jack, that one.

Al-Awlaki was an American citizen who was denied due process and assassinated extra judicially.

How is that an accomplishment? No matter how horrible the government told you Awlaki was, he was an American citizen that was supposed to have constitutional rights.

You don't want foreign terrorists to have those rights, fine, I agree. But an American citizen that never got his day in court?