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That's a very good question, Willow. If the workers had been unionized, the collective bargaining agreement would have allowed the workers to categorically refuse to work in an unsafe area without being in fear of losing their jobs. I know a bit about the coal and area history of this conflict in VA, KY, WV, TN, and NC. Massey, Peabody, and other coal companies have massively resisted unionization, yet have failed to address such safety conditions.
My heart is with the miners' families.
Yes because unions would have prevented this situation. Those evil mine owners like just killing off their miners and needing to conduct a job search every 3 months.
You've always been a fairly rotten person, but sometimes you go over the top that make you even more disgusting than normal.
I used to think that too many right wingers have drunk the kool-aid.
Take Unions. They have given us the 40 hour work week, paid vacations, overtime and holidays.
Republicans have voted against child labor laws, health care, minimum wage and Social Security. At the same time, cutting corporate taxes and removing regulations that lead to disasters just like this very one.
I keep thinking, are they stupid, evil, sick? But I realize, it's a different mindset. Democrats believe the health of the country is reflected by it's citizens. Republicans think the health of the country is reflected by it's corporations. To Republcians, the US is like a beehive. So what if a few bees die or the sick bees die off? It's the hive that's important. They go where they are told and believe what they are ordered to believe, for he good of the hive.
Because they would be fired, and from what I understand in that area, there is no other work. Not really and this pos owner knows it.
Because they would be fired, and from what I understand in that area, there is no other work. Not really and this pos owner knows it.
You really think so poorly of them don't you?
Because they would be fired, and from what I understand in that area, there is no other work. Not really and this pos owner knows it.
You really think so poorly of them don't you?
Umm what does that have to do with an area that you either work for the govt or the coal industry. Or a business supported by the coal industry?
Because they would be fired, and from what I understand in that area, there is no other work. Not really and this pos owner knows it.
You really think so poorly of them don't you?
You really think so poorly of them don't you?
Umm what does that have to do with an area that you either work for the govt or the coal industry. Or a business supported by the coal industry?
Because you want to limit people as hopeless. There are always options and choices for them. Pretending they are helpless is an insult to their humanity.
That's a very good question, Willow. If the workers had been unionized, the collective bargaining agreement would have allowed the workers to categorically refuse to work in an unsafe area without being in fear of losing their jobs. I know a bit about the coal and area history of this conflict in VA, KY, WV, TN, and NC. Massey, Peabody, and other coal companies have massively resisted unionization, yet have failed to address such safety conditions.
My heart is with the miners' families.
Oh my,, somebody has been watching mr. ed. Why can't they refuse to work in an unsafe mine without the union?
That's a very good question, Willow. If the workers had been unionized, the collective bargaining agreement would have allowed the workers to categorically refuse to work in an unsafe area without being in fear of losing their jobs. I know a bit about the coal and area history of this conflict in VA, KY, WV, TN, and NC. Massey, Peabody, and other coal companies have massively resisted unionization, yet have failed to address such safety conditions.
My heart is with the miners' families.
so here's my next question. coal mining is something I know little about, I know it's hard dangerous dirty work.. can these families sue the pants off this company? I hope they do.
That's a very good question, Willow. If the workers had been unionized, the collective bargaining agreement would have allowed the workers to categorically refuse to work in an unsafe area without being in fear of losing their jobs. I know a bit about the coal and area history of this conflict in VA, KY, WV, TN, and NC. Massey, Peabody, and other coal companies have massively resisted unionization, yet have failed to address such safety conditions.
My heart is with the miners' families.
so here's my next question. coal mining is something I know little about, I know it's hard dangerous dirty work.. can these families sue the pants off this company? I hope they do.
So you like lawyers now? Depends on the "damage" claim, I suppose. A wrongful death mining coal is no different than a wrongful death due to medical malpractice.
Methane doesn't care whether a mine is union or non-union. It's just there and could blow at any time. I understand you can't smell the methane gasses. Massey is a pretty big name in coal and it appears that it really doesn't give a damn - they have multiple ongoing safety violations.
Mining is a hard, dirty, unhealthy job ... but generations of people work the mines. It's all they know and they do have families to take care of. The people of Appalachia are strong people and have a very deep faith. It's a horrible thing they're going through, but they will get themselves and each other through it.
Problem is there was a citation issued for failure to properly ventilate on March 30th. A week later.....
Mining is a dangerous job, and yes these are tough people who understand the risks. I don't disagree there. Accidents can happen even when all safety precautions are taken. But when they're not, and men are lost who never had to be, there's a problem.
Most union activity revolves around workplace issues rather than cash Willow. Sometimes to ridicules levels, as the Master GM-UAW agreement was supposed to weigh about 40 lbs. of agate type.
You ever see a plant go union, cash is usually the last thing on the workers minds.
Most union activity revolves around workplace issues rather than cash Willow. Sometimes to ridicules levels, as the Master GM-UAW agreement was supposed to weigh about 40 lbs. of agate type.
You ever see a plant go union, cash is usually the last thing on the workers minds.
that's untrue... wages; job security; health and retirement benefits; SAFETY....
but you can always tell us about your experience negotiating union contracts.
Most union activity revolves around workplace issues rather than cash Willow. Sometimes to ridicules levels, as the Master GM-UAW agreement was supposed to weigh about 40 lbs. of agate type.
You ever see a plant go union, cash is usually the last thing on the workers minds.
that's untrue... wages; job security; health and retirement benefits; SAFETY....
but you can always tell us about your experience negotiating union contracts.
none of that worked out too well for GM and Chrysler did it??
They ventilate by other means during normal operations, but that option isn't available after an explosion and possible cave in. I'm sure they are taking the shortest road.
I'm not doubting you here - but how in the hell do you know this?
Umm a lot of the ventillation flow is thru the mine tunnel and if it is caved in.....
I worked a couple of summers for a mining engineering company.
And grew up in mining country. My grandfather was a lifelong miner and others in my family as well.
that's untrue... wages; job security; health and retirement benefits; SAFETY....
but you can always tell us about your experience negotiating union contracts.
none of that worked out too well for GM and Chrysler did it??
didn't work out so good for the miners, did it?
Avatar's comments so far are worthless and can be ignored.
I have read the remainder with interest. The question here concerns the heart of Progressivism: not whether regulation is needed but rather how much.
none of that worked out too well for GM and Chrysler did it??
didn't work out so good for the miners, did it?
were they unionized?