CDZ I guess it's time to ask the question:

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  1. Billy_Kinetta
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    Because the Left is becoming hated in a deep, visceral way not often seen in this country. They are not seen as Americans, and rightfully so. They are seen almost as an occupying force of foreign origin.

    While white supremacy and the like are more nonsensical than they are serious matters to be dealt with, the Left is truly dangerous to America.

    Just sayin'.
     
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    The left and white supremacy represent different threats to America. Which is the more serious of the two depends, I suppose, on what each movement wants to accomplish and how likely it is to reach its goals. The WS guys seem to want to take America back to an earlier stage ("make America great again") while the Left wants to push America in the direction of the socialism prevalent in other advanced democracies. Which of those two visions of America one prefers depends on how one sees one's life in such a changed utopia.

    The other parameter, how likely either of the two visions of America is to actually happening, is a no-brainer. A country can never go back. Time is not reversible and the conditions under which America was formerly great cannot be recreated. This is why political restorations always fail. It might be possible to create an America in which conditions similar to those of former greatness are created, but the results wouldn't be the same. We could take the vote away from women. We could make blacks second-class citizens. We could abolish all the federal social agencies etc. but the result would not be the America of an earlier time, it would be a grim and weak dictatorship.

    Moving ahead to the modern social structure prevailing in the rest of the advanced democracies, on the other hand, is already under way and has been for over fifty years. Obamacare wasn't the beginning, only the latest step. Gay marriage and transgender bathrooms are social sideshows. Full on single payer is right around the corner, as is paid maternity leave and a doubled minimum wage. It isn't happening because everybody thinks this evolution is a good idea --obviously many don't -- but because the economic forces shaped by the new technologies are changing our social structure in way that make political developments inevitable.

    So, whatever the benefits of turning back the clock on America, it isn't going to happen and whatever evils may lurk in our steady march to a 21st century socialism, the journey is unstoppable. We really don't have a choice in the matter.
     
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    They did. The mayor is a big Obama guy. The deputy mayor is a flaming social justice warrior / black liberation guy who is intolerant of others points of views and more than willing to brand the opposition.
     
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    WS has no numbers to speak of, and no media backing to spread its nonsense. It is essentially powerless.

    The Left has the advantages of both.

    "Make America Great Again" does not mean to take the country backwards to Mayberry and Aunt Bea's apple pies. It means to stop the bleeding and repair the damage done by nearly a half-century of growing Leftist influence over all aspects of American life, thirty years of creeping globalism from both political parties and eight years of Obama's abject and highly damaging racial and economic nonsense.

    Consider the conditions of Detroit, Baltimore, Chicago, and increasingly New York City and others. That is the entire country in a foreseeable future if there is no recovery.
     
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    Detroit is making a major comeback. New York City is booming. The economy is strong. Our problems are with income distribution, not GNP. The decaying America myth is a bit of fake news from the Trump campaign, nothing more.

    The small minority who are "bleeding" are rural whites without the education or training to participate in the new technology. Their crap education isn't the fault of the federal government.

    The alt-right solution to this problem is the big business scam: cut federal programs and cut taxes for millionaires. Those uneducated rural white guys think their thrice-married Manhattan billionaire is going to bail them out by shutting down OSHA, EPA, Obamacare etc. etc. Like I said, they aren't too bright.
     
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    One certainly can yell fire in a crowded theater. Ones fate after doing so will come out markedly better if said theater is actually on fire.
     
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    Yes, they demonstrated against the removal of the statue with a permit in the pocket.
     

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