i fear ukraine will lose the war

[Zebra]

who sees still a chance to win.?

 

[JoeB131]

who sees still a chance to win.?

I don't think they will win or lose, the war has ground down to a stalemate. Both sides have exhausted their supply of manpower and weapons, and are in defensive positions that really haven't moved significantly in more than a year.

The only real question is, when does the Ukraine and her western backers face reality and sit down at the negotiating table to end this.

 

[Zebra]

I don't think they will win or lose, the war has ground down to a stalemate. Both sides have exhausted their supply of manpower and weapons, and are in defensive positions that really haven't moved significantly in more than a year.

The only real question is, when does the Ukraine and her western backers face reality and sit down at the negotiating table to end this.

Russia has a lot more manpower …..

 

[pknopp]

They lost the moment it started.

 

[rightwinger]

I don't think they will win or lose, the war has ground down to a stalemate. Both sides have exhausted their supply of manpower and weapons, and are in defensive positions that really haven't moved significantly in more than a year.

The only real question is, when does the Ukraine and her western backers face reality and sit down at the negotiating table to end this.

Russia is entrenched with no way of launching major offensive operations
Ukraine is incapable of dislodging them.

Most wars do not end with a knockout punch but both sides eventually get tired and settle.

 

[rampart]

Russia is entrenched with no way of launching major offensive operations
Ukraine is incapable of dislodging them.

Most wars do not end with a knockout punch but both sides eventually get tired and settle.

it is important now that ukraine maintain the stalemate - winning might trigger a launch, losing would be disastrous for wider europe.

evenyually either putin will die or be deposed and the problem might be de fused during their confusion.

eventually trump may win and ukraine joins the rest of us in slavery to the authoritarian axis.

 

[Dekster]

who sees still a chance to win.?

Ukraine was always going to lose the war. They would have lost it already but for the US. Now that we are cutting them off, it is probably a matter of months unless Europe gets its ass in gear and actually starts providing all the crap they promised but didn't deliver.

 

[Crepitus]

who sees still a chance to win.?

They will lose without our support. They will win with it. It's really just that simple

 

[Zebra]

they will probably lose …

 

[Zebra]

it is important now that ukraine maintain the stalemate - winning might trigger a launch, losing would be disastrous for wider europe.

evenyually either putin will die or be deposed and the problem might be de fused during their confusion.

eventually trump may win and ukraine joins the rest of us in slavery to the authoritarian axis.

sad ….

 

[rightwinger]

Russia faces the same challenge we faced in Afghanistan
Once your military takes territory, what happens next?

Holding territory in a hostile area leaves you open to hit and run attacks. You lose soldiers, morale is low, it becomes harder to maintain supplies, it is a drain on your economy
Eventually, you give up and go home

 

[rampart]

Russia faces the same challenge we faced in Afghanistan
Once your military takes territory, what happens next?

Holding territory in a hostile area leaves you open to hit and run attacks. You lose soldiers, morale is low, it becomes harder to maintain supplies, it is a drain on your economy
Eventually, you give up and go home

israel has the same kind of problem, and we are certainly familiar enough.

 

[rightwinger]

How can Ukraine lose?

Republicans take over and stop supporting them
The west follows suit and loses interest
Russia starts to feel safe in occupied territory and settles in

How can Russia lose?

Its economy can no longer support military operations
Its soldiers grow tired of a senseless war and revolt
Putin is overthrown

 

[Zebra]

Russia faces the same challenge we faced in Afghanistan
Once your military takes territory, what happens next?

Holding territory in a hostile area leaves you open to hit and run attacks. You lose soldiers, morale is low, it becomes harder to maintain supplies, it is a drain on your economy
Eventually, you give up and go home

ukraine is not afghanistan

 

[rightwinger]

ukraine is not afghanistan

You think Ukraine will leave occupying forces alone?
Russians will not be treated as Liberators

 

[José]

I would like to see Bolton, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and all the neocons who conceived and implemented the absurd, gratuitous policy of expanding NATO to Russia's next door neighbors, I'd like to see them on their knees at Maidan Square, with their mouths wide open and a giant line with thousands of relatives of young Ukrainians killed in that war waiting for their turn to piss inside their mouths.

 

[Anathema]

I fear that far too many Americans give a shit if Ukraine, Israel or Taiwan win or lose their conflicts.

 

[rightwinger]

I would like to see Bolton, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and all the neocons who conceived and implemented the absurd, gratuitous policy of expanding NATO to Russia's next door neighbors, I'd like to see them on their knees at Maidan Square, with their mouths wide open and a giant line with thousands of relatives of young Ukrainians killed in that war waiting for their turn to piss inside their mouths.

Those countries begged to join NATO

For some reason, they view Russia as a threat

 

[luiza]

Russia is entrenched with no way of launching major offensive operations
Ukraine is incapable of dislodging them.

Most wars do not end with a knockout punch but both sides eventually get tired and settle.

You actually know the truth --- but you love looking even more stupid than you are, for some strange reason that only your carer might be able to advise .

A combination , specifically of Midget insanity and Russian savvy, meant that Russia found a way of killing ten or latterly fifteen UAF for every man they lost without basically moving .
Now the remnants of the UAF include youngsters , women and OAPs in the trenches

Many Ukeys believe they have suffered over one million deaths though few experts have yet dared to publicly put the figure over 600 000 .
When the final figures are known , the world will shudder...

 

[rightwinger]

You actually know the truth --- but you love looking even more stupid than you are, for some strange reason that only your carer might be able to advise .

A combination , specifically of Midget insanity and Russian savvy, meant that Russia found a way of killing ten or latterly fifteen UAF for every man they lost without basically moving .
Now the remnants of the UAF include youngsters , women and OAPs in the trenches

Many Ukeys believe they have suffered over one million deaths though few experts have yet dared to publicly put the figure over 600 000 .
When the final figures are known , the world will shudder...

Show us the honest numbers of Russian casualties and we can discuss.
300,000 plus

There is a difference in fighting for your country and fighting for a cause you don’t support.