I don't really understand the Dems' "need," for lack of a better word, for a national $15 min wage.

[Brain357]

Well we definitely have a wage problem. We have way too many corps with near monopolies and too much wage collusion. Now I'd rather see that get fixed, but it creates the "need" for a higher min wage in the meantime.

IF that was true, and we both know it is not, how then did President Donald Trump manage to increase the wages of the lowest-paid and minorities far more than that of higher-paid workers and cut unemployment down to record levels.


JOBS
Published January 24, 2020
Income inequality declining under Trump policies, says Labor secretary
Workers are seeing faster wage growth than their bosses
By Frank Connor FOXBusiness

Workers’ wages are growing faster than their bosses', narrowing the income gap, as a result of President Trump’s policies, according to Labor Secretary Eugene Scalia.

“At the end of the Obama administration, what we saw is wage growth for the high wage earners [and] slow wage growth for the low wage earners," Scalia told FOX Business’ Maria Bartiromo in an exclusive interview at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland. "We’ve flipped that in this economy,”

Decreasing unemployment and Trump’s reduction of regulations are factors that have contributed to this low-income wage growth, according to Scalia.

Income inequality declining under Trump policies, says Labor secretary

Due to President Trump's economic policies, workers' wages are growing faster than their bosses, according to Labor Secretary Eugene Scalia.

www.foxbusiness.com

Trump didn’t. There have been lots of min wage increases by states and cities.

 

[ChemEngineer]

Published January 24, 2020
Income inequality declining under Trump policies, says Labor secretary

Dear Marxists and Democrats,

THE most EQUAL society on earth is the group of ~500 hunter-gatherers who live on North Sentinel Island in the Andaman Sea off the coast of India.
They all make NOTHING! They all live in primitive squalor. They're all perfect Democrats/Marxists.
Their misery would be enormously reduced if they were to move to the most UNEQUAL income nation on earth, South Africa. Imagine, clean drinking water. A little medical care. Food. Fruit.
Candy. Unimaginable in their "equal" society Leftists adore so much.

 

[Markle]

Because right wingers whine too much and prove they prefer to hate on the Poor when they could simply pass on the cost to the consumers like they do for everything else they do merely for their bottom Profit line and motive.

Who do those cost increases affect the most? The wealthy or the poor?

Merely for their bottom line? You're being facetious, aren't you?

I'm making a huge assumption here, but why do you go to work?

 

[ChemEngineer]

Who do those cost increases affect the most? The wealthy or the poor?

Merely for their bottom line? You're being facetious, aren't you?

I'm making a huge assumption here, but why do you go to work?

I will add your Biden decisions to Bidenisms - Racism, ignorance, lies and incompetence

 

[Markle]

IT'S to late now, If we had upped the mim wage a dollar every few years we would not be in this position now. Our government is a mess, maters not what party has the most temporary power, most use it for self interest.

What is that "position" we're in now? Under President Trump, low-income workers' wages increased far more than upper-income workers and the income gap narrowed. Why make changes to something that is working?

 

[Brain357]

IT'S to late now, If we had upped the mim wage a dollar every few years we would not be in this position now. Our government is a mess, maters not what party has the most temporary power, most use it for self interest.

What is that "position" we're in now? Under President Trump, low-income workers' wages increased far more than upper-income workers and the income gap narrowed. Why make changes to something that is working?

That will happen when lots of states and cities increase min wage.

 

[Markle]

IT'S to late now, If we had upped the mim wage a dollar every few years we would not be in this position now. Our government is a mess, maters not what party has the most temporary power, most use it for self interest.

What is that "position" we're in now? Under President Trump, low-income workers' wages increased far more than upper-income workers and the income gap narrowed. Why make changes to something that is working?

That will happen when lots of states and cities increase min wage.

So sorry to have confused you.

 

[Brain357]

IT'S to late now, If we had upped the mim wage a dollar every few years we would not be in this position now. Our government is a mess, maters not what party has the most temporary power, most use it for self interest.

What is that "position" we're in now? Under President Trump, low-income workers' wages increased far more than upper-income workers and the income gap narrowed. Why make changes to something that is working?

That will happen when lots of states and cities increase min wage.

So sorry to have confused you.

You know those aren’t Trump policy right?

 

[ChemEngineer]

IT'S to late now, If we had upped the mim wage a dollar every few years we would not be in this position now. Our government is a mess, maters not what party has the most temporary power, most use it for self interest.

What is that "position" we're in now? Under President Trump, low-income workers' wages increased far more than upper-income workers and the income gap narrowed. Why make changes to something that is working?

That will happen when lots of states and cities increase min wage.

So sorry to have confused you.

You know those aren’t Trump policy right?

IT'S to late now, If we had upped the mim wage a dollar every few years we would not be in this position now. Our government is a mess, maters not what party has the most temporary power, most use it for self interest.

What is that "position" we're in now? Under President Trump, low-income workers' wages increased far more than upper-income workers and the income gap narrowed. Why make changes to something that is working?

That will happen when lots of states and cities increase min wage.

So sorry to have confused you.

You know those aren’t Trump policy right?

Published January 24, 2020
Income inequality declining under Trump policies, says Labor secretary

Dear Marxists and Democrats,

THE most EQUAL society on earth is the group of ~500 hunter-gatherers who live on North Sentinel Island in the Andaman Sea off the coast of India.
They all make NOTHING! They all live in primitive squalor. They're all perfect Democrats/Marxists.
Their misery would be enormously reduced if they were to move to the most UNEQUAL income nation on earth, South Africa. Imagine, clean drinking water. A little medical care. Food. Fruit.
Candy. Unimaginable in their "equal" society Leftists adore so much.

I sent this obvious fact to the leadership of the World Bank via public mail after they published a stupid *study* claiming that South Africa had the most UNEQUAL income of any country on earth.
Not one of the cowards had the decency to reply or refute anything I said, which totally refuted their *study* of covetousness and Marxism.

 

[danielpalos]

And.... eventually everyone will make minimum wage

Yes, eventually everyone will be able to afford our first world economy and have to pay taxes to help support it.

 

[danielpalos]

Because right wingers whine too much and prove they prefer to hate on the Poor when they could simply pass on the cost to the consumers like they do for everything else they do merely for their bottom Profit line and motive.

Who do those cost increases affect the most? The wealthy or the poor?

Merely for their bottom line? You're being facetious, aren't you?

I'm making a huge assumption here, but why do you go to work?

Will it matter when the Poor can afford it?

 

[Markle]

IT'S to late now, If we had upped the mim wage a dollar every few years we would not be in this position now. Our government is a mess, maters not what party has the most temporary power, most use it for self interest.

What is that "position" we're in now? Under President Trump, low-income workers' wages increased far more than upper-income workers and the income gap narrowed. Why make changes to something that is working?

That will happen when lots of states and cities increase min wage.

So sorry to have confused you.

You know those aren’t Trump policy right?

What are "those" policies that are not President Trump's?

 

[Markle]

Because right wingers whine too much and prove they prefer to hate on the Poor when they could simply pass on the cost to the consumers like they do for everything else they do merely for their bottom Profit line and motive.

Who do those cost increases affect the most? The wealthy or the poor?

Merely for their bottom line? You're being facetious, aren't you?

I'm making a huge assumption here, but why do you go to work?

Will it matter when the Poor can afford it?

 

[Dirk the Daring]

I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers.

There is nothing "logical" about minimum wages. Why is it legal to donate your time if you can't work for less than some arbitrary "minimum wage"? Pure stupidity and covetousness, a sin.

I've never heard a liberal address this - probably because it gets right to the corrupt core of MW. Essentially it's an anticompetitive measure to prevent competition in the labor market.

I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers.

There is nothing "logical" about minimum wages. Why is it legal to donate your time if you can't work for less than some arbitrary "minimum wage"? Pure stupidity and covetousness, a sin.

Why do you believe what you do? It seems more like right wing propaganda than sound reasoning. There would be no perceived need for any statutory minimum wage if wages had kept up with inflation to begin with.

Why does it not seem more likely that some Capitalists prefer to transfer the cost of their employees on to the public sector instead of their consumers merely for bottom line purposes?

Because you're too stupid to understand economics.

I'm more a centrist than liberal. But the logical support for a MW (level is another question) is that the reality is there is NO free market between capital and at least unskilled workers because workers don't have bargaining power sufficient to compete with capital. And setting a minimum level, requires capital to pay a higher wage to slightly more skilled.

Would you work for someone who offered you a wage of $1 an hour? That is your bargaining power... businesses compete for labor.

 

[Supposn]

DBlack, it’s preferable not to shock labor markets with legal modifications that are too sudden. ...

And why is that preferable? I'm pretty sure you'll keep dodging, so I'll answer for you. It's "preferable" because, without time to adjust, the shock of these "legal modifications" would create unemployment and business failures. Giving the market time to adjust to the new, mandated minimum values will avoid that. The markets will rebalance, such that the new minimum labor value is the base and all relative values adjust around it. ...

DBlack, isn’t that what’s meant by “… it’s preferable not to shock labor markets with legal modifications that are too sudden”? Respectfully, Supposn

 

[ChemEngineer]

Would you work for someone who offered you a wage of $1 an hour? That is your bargaining power... businesses compete for labor.

Somebody is missing the Big Picture, big time.
I worked for eight years for 0 dollars per hour, almost full time, on my association's board of directors.
In the process, I saved homeowners $600,000. All over America, people work for... NOTHING.

So stop preaching about "living wages" when it's perfectly lawful to work for NOTHING.

I still work every day for my community, picking up litter, reporting problems, burning street lights, electrical hazards, and picking up dead animals from the streets. It's a man's job. If it makes you squeamish, little girl, leave it to real men.

I also pull over for women with car problems, changing their tires or sometimes pushing them out of traffic and into a safe spot. Most people just drive on by. Imagine it is your own wife or daughter.

 

[Supposn]

... [Gradually increasing the minimum wage rate] of course, this defeats the purpose, leaving minimum wage earners with the same relative income value they had before the adjustments, but it lets politicians pretend that they did something useful to help out the poor.

DBlack, you’re entirely incorrect. Every increase of the federal minimum wage is an increase of that rate’s purchasing power. That’s its purpose and justification.

To the extent of its purchasing power, the federal minimum wage rate reduces the incidences and poverty among the working poor. Permitting the rate’s purchasing power to lag the U.S. dollar’s inflation rate reduces the minimum rate’s ability to accomplish its purpose. Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Concerned American]

Byrd Rule, politics threaten $15 per hour minimum wage

Democrats face a series of steep political and procedural challenges as they plot a path to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour using a budgetary process known as reconciliation that would sides…

thehill.com

I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers. But in rural states, min wage jobs sometimes just supplement rural life of raising and growing one's own food. It will kill jobs, because the people who buy retail goods are the same ones working the jobs. Employers will consolidate gas stations, small grocery's and maybe even Wal-Marts. It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.

Entry level jobs will disappear. Employers will not train employees @ $15/Hr.; Restaurant workers better get used to no tips--I am not going to pay an inflated price for a meal (to cover higher wages) and give the server a tip too. Most servers I have known make more in tips than their wage. We've already been set up for a gig economy--especially with covid. Got skills? If not, you'll be on the dole before too long.

 

[Concerned American]

Byrd Rule, politics threaten $15 per hour minimum wage

Democrats face a series of steep political and procedural challenges as they plot a path to raise the minimum wage to $15 per hour using a budgetary process known as reconciliation that would sides…

thehill.com

I don't doubt or disagree with NYC or other urban areas, esp progressive ones, logically wanting the raise. Or the need of workers. But in rural states, min wage jobs sometimes just supplement rural life of raising and growing one's own food. It will kill jobs, because the people who buy retail goods are the same ones working the jobs. Employers will consolidate gas stations, small grocery's and maybe even Wal-Marts. It just seems typical leftwing elitism to think places like Ala and Miss and WV can't figure out their own state economies.

The Democrats want to raise the minimum wage to the point where employers will choose to automate their businesses, reduce staff, or eliminate low-wage workers altogether. We're already seeing this in the fast food and hospitality industries.

The Democrats' goal is, of course, to drive low-wage workers to unemployment and then onto welfare, where they can be more easily controlled. If the government is paying for your food rather than your employer, wouldn't you be more "willing" to go along with things like mandatory vaccines, only "approved" content on your social media, not questioning what your kids are being taught in school, etc.?

The government paying for our food,

Trump's Road to Socialism | Tho Bishop

So corporate farms can get billions but working stiffs shouldn't be able to make enough to survive on?

if you are a "working stiff" and the best you can do is a minimum wage job, you made some serious mistakes in your life.

Yeah, like not demanding the government stop the businesses from shipping the jobs overseas.

Well at least in Miss, wage levels resulted in the maftring base for garments and most furniture was lost. But there's no way to offshore retail jobs. Employers and, and will, consolidate their outlets, which will not only reduce jobs but also make it harder for consumers who sometimes worked in closed outlets.

Not to mention the longer lines, product outages, and poor service that will inevitably come when they consolidate their locations. I wouldn't be surprised to see a massive cut in brick and mortar stores as Amazon and Walmart become more popular . Warehouse work will be around for a while, but robots will do the majority of the work before to long.

 

[Markle]

DBlack, you’re entirely incorrect. Every increase of the federal minimum wage is an increase of that rate’s purchasing power. That’s its purpose and justification.

To the extent of its purchasing power, the federal minimum wage rate reduces the incidences and poverty among the working poor. Permitting the rate’s purchasing power to lag the U.S. dollar’s inflation rate reduces the minimum rate’s ability to accomplish its purpose. Respectfully, Supposn

Show us. You can't because it is entirely false. Why lie?

There is no reason whatsoever for there to be a federal minimum wage. Our country is far too diverse and the individual cities and states can do as they wish.

The rate of poverty in 2019 was 10.5 percent. In 2016, that rate was 12.7 percent. Had there been an increase in the minimum wage? No, of course not. In 1967, when President Johnson's failed "War on Poverty" went into effect, the unemployment rate was 14.7 percent which is not, you'll agree, a significant decrease to 12.7 percent. That after spending trillions and trillions of dollars and federal minimum wage increases.

Percent of people in poverty - USAFacts

Individuals in poverty are classified using income thresholds that vary based on family size and composition. If the total income for the family is below the threshold, every individual in the family is considered poor. The definition of poverty is set at the federal level and does not vary...

usafacts.org