I do not fight for the freedom of a President to

[Bonnie]

Psychoblues..WAR is quite simply a failure to adequately communicate. I fight wars in my personal life every day. I haven't killed anyone yet, in my personal life, can you dig it?

Tell that to the terrorists!! How should we defeat an enemy that has no justified reason for destroying our country or other countries, nor do they have any humanity in them, how do you reason with people that are completely unreasonable??? Yes war is horrible no one here likes war, but sometimes it is necessary simply to defend oneself, and ones families.

 

[dilloduck]

Obviously you didn't read my entire post and obviously you don't know much about France, or World War II or the American Revolution. You want to go to war as a MARTYR? Go with my condolenses. I insult no one yet you insult me with your ignorance and you somehow think it clever or enlightened.

WAR is quite simply a failure to adequately communicate. I fight wars in my personal life every day. I haven't killed anyone yet, in my personal life, can you dig it?

Please communicate to the islamo-fascists that they need to stop killing and that until they do, we will attempt to stop them by killing them.

 

[Psychoblues]

Please communicate to the Anglo-Christian-Industrialist-Psuedo-Religious-Facsists that death will forever occur due to THIER trasgressions. All the rest of us would rather get on with our lives without their interventions.

I don't suppose for a moment you can understand.

Psychoblues

Please communicate to the islamo-fascists that they need to stop killing and that until they do, we will attempt to stop them by killing them.

 

[Hobbit]

Please communicate to the Anglo-Christian-Industrialist-Psuedo-Religious-Facsists that death will forever occur due to THIER trasgressions. All the rest of us would rather get on with our lives without their interventions.

I don't suppose for a moment you can understand.

Psychoblues

What transgressions were those, pray tell? What is it that we done that caused all the world's problems?

 

[Psychoblues]

What transgressions were those, pray tell? What is it that we done that caused all the world's problems?

I guess I could mention the ridiculous Vietnamese intervention, the failures in Bhophal, the murders in Rhodesia, Sudan, Ethiopia, the bombings in Hiroshima and Nagasaki all of which we claim no responsibility for. There are thousands more examples but these are a few.

I never said that "we" caused all the world's problems. YOU said that. Was it just rhetoric or was it sincere?

Are you a veteran or are you just justifying your own insignificance by questioning a veteran? Really, I'd like to know so I can properly place you on my own list of "significance." It's clear that you've placed me on your own list of "insignificance" by your inane questioning of my credentials.

Too bad, I've probably killed better patriots than you'll ever be. I was very lucky, but I defended the American way of life as I know and am convinced it is.

Psychoblues

 

[Psychoblues]

If you were fighting for the constitution, then why were you in Vietnam? It was an unconstitutional war, because there was no declaration of war by congress. Also, could you explain how the Vietnamese were threatening our constitution or our country?

BaronVonBigMeat, you challenge my integrity. I was a kid at the time. I did what my country asked of me, nothing less. I ignored other opportunities, left my friends and family aside, denied my otherwise good sense and did what I thought was best for my country. I don't begrudge those that avoided the conflict, I begrudge those that avoided it and to this day lie about it. I was just a kid then.

But I grew. I fought again in Grenada, Panama and in Kuwait and adjoining countries. I still believe in America, the land of the free. I resent anyone that tries to limit or forego my freedoms whether it be in the jobplace or the political arena. There is a price to be paid for the limitation of American Freedom within America. Can you dig,,,,,,,,never mind. Too deep a subject for your shallow mind.

Psychoblues

 

[CSM]

If you were fighting for the constitution, then why were you in Vietnam? It was an unconstitutional war, because there was no declaration of war by congress. Also, could you explain how the Vietnamese were threatening our constitution or our country?

Ah another one.....

I fought in VN because I like killing babies. The Vietnamese were a threat because they were breathing my air. I fight for the US because the US is evil and I am an evil person. I also like to beat up old women and children.

That make ya happy?

 

[Avatar4321]

I guess I could mention the ridiculous Vietnamese intervention, the failures in Bhophal, the murders in Rhodesia, Sudan, Ethiopia, the bombings in Hiroshima and Nagasaki all of which we claim no responsibility for. There are thousands more examples but these are a few.

We don't claim bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Why is this the first time Ive heard about it? I thought it kinda self evident since we had the only nuclear weapons at the time that it was us. And why is that bad? We ended World War II. How on earth can ending a war be bad?

And what was ridiculous about Vietnam is that we pulled out and let the communists slaughter millions of southeast asians.

 

[CSM]

We don't claim bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Why is this the first time Ive heard about it? I thought it kinda self evident since we had the only nuclear weapons at the time that it was us. And why is that bad? We ended World War II. How on earth can ending a war be bad?

And what was ridiculous about Vietnam is that we pulled out and let the communists slaughter millions of southeast asians.

Just more revisionist history ....these guys forget the Southeast Asia treaty Organization (SEATO) or things like the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution or the fact that LBJ asked for and got (with only two dissenting votes) for expanded war powers.

 

[Hobbit]

I guess I could mention the ridiculous Vietnamese intervention, the failures in Bhophal, the murders in Rhodesia, Sudan, Ethiopia, the bombings in Hiroshima and Nagasaki all of which we claim no responsibility for. There are thousands more examples but these are a few.

I never said that "we" caused all the world's problems. YOU said that. Was it just rhetoric or was it sincere?

Are you a veteran or are you just justifying your own insignificance by questioning a veteran? Really, I'd like to know so I can properly place you on my own list of "significance." It's clear that you've placed me on your own list of "insignificance" by your inane questioning of my credentials.

Too bad, I've probably killed better patriots than you'll ever be. I was very lucky, but I defended the American way of life as I know and am convinced it is.

Psychoblues

So just because you've served makes you a better, smarter person than me? What a bunch of horse sh*t. Using your status as a veteran to elevate yourself above other people and then bash the very country you served for is not exactly what I call a good move. I come from a long line of tough, valiant warriors, and you're gonna have to come up with a great deal better than "I'm a veteran" to gain credibility with me.

You see that? That post you made that I quoted there? That's the kind of sh*t I was referring to when I said "condescending."

 

[kurtsprincess]

Please communicate to the Anglo-Christian-Industrialist-Psuedo-Religious-Facsists that death will forever occur due to THIER trasgressions. All the rest of us would rather get on with our lives without their interventions.

I don't suppose for a moment you can understand.

Psychoblues

So, Psychoblues...........help me understand.........are you against killing terrorists because you feel they are justified due to the "trangressions" of the Anglo-Christian-Industrialists-Psuedo-Religious-Facists?

And, just for the record, I was getting on with my life just fine prior to 9/11.

 

[Gunny]

BaronVonBigMeat, you challenge my integrity. I was a kid at the time. I did what my country asked of me, nothing less. I ignored other opportunities, left my friends and family aside, denied my otherwise good sense and did what I thought was best for my country. I don't begrudge those that avoided the conflict, I begrudge those that avoided it and to this day lie about it. I was just a kid then.

But I grew. I fought again in Grenada, Panama and in Kuwait and adjoining countries. I still believe in America, the land of the free. I resent anyone that tries to limit or forego my freedoms whether it be in the jobplace or the political arena. There is a price to be paid for the limitation of American Freedom within America. Can you dig,,,,,,,,never mind. Too deep a subject for your shallow mind.

Psychoblues

Make up your mind what you are claiming to be. Assuming you were a "kid" in 'Nam, that would make you middle-aged by the time Grenada, Panama, and Desert Storm rolled around. I presume you have an excuse for carrying out imperialist US policy in the latter places?

And I 'd LOVE to hear how you managed to make every conflict from 'Nam to Desert Storm. Can you dig THAT?

 

[Psychoblues]

I've explained it all before, gunnyl. Why do you call what I still consider noble American causes as Imperilistic? Maybe you're just a pompous pig that never fought in a war but like the handle "gunnyl" because it somehow gives you some undeserved respect amongst a few that are prone to such bullshit. Maybe I'll change my handle to "Murtha".

I do "I DO DIG THAT". Your blindness will forever keep you from digging anything comprehensive. But, I would never argue with a Marine that touts himself a gunny and emblazens his posts with such enlisted rank.

I'm just a Psychoblues. Anything else you want to know is contained in the posts that I create or respond.

BTW, although I am very much an American volunteer, I didn't "manage" any of my assignments to war. I accepted the orders and I did my best to complete the missions assigned.

Psychoblues

Make up your mind what you are claiming to be. Assuming you were a "kid" in 'Nam, that would make you middle-aged by the time Grenada, Panama, and Desert Storm rolled around. I presume you have an excuse for carrying out imperialist US policy in the latter places?

And I 'd LOVE to hear how you managed to make every conflict from 'Nam to Desert Storm. Can you dig THAT?

 

[Gunny]

I've explained it all before, gunnyl. Why do you call what I still consider noble American causes as Imperilistic? Maybe you're just a pompous pig that never fought in a war but like the handle "gunnyl" because it somehow gives you some undeserved respect amongst a few that are prone to such bullshit. Maybe I'll change my handle to "Murtha".

I do "I DO DIG THAT". Your blindness will forever keep you from digging anything comprehensive. But, I would never argue with a Marine that touts himself a gunny and emblazens his posts with such enlisted rank.

I'm just a Psychoblues. Anything else you want to know is contained in the posts that I create or respond.

BTW, although I am very much an American volunteer, I didn't "manage" any of my assignments to war. I accepted the orders and I did my best to complete the missions assigned.

Psychoblues

You have explained NOTHING. You've talked around it each and every time. And unlike you, I'm not on here every other post using "I'm a Gunny -- I was there" as my fallback position everytime someone hands me my ass. If I were to use such a tactic I would fully-expect to be challenged every time I did.

One thing I can tell you for sure ..... I don't ANY combat vets, on this board nor anywhere else, who want to talk about it. Those that have been there don't need an explanation, and those that haven't couldn't possibly understand.

You're just way too willing to hawk your own stock for my taste.

Let's place blame where it belongs .... YOU paint the target on your own chest with all of your self-agrandizing bullshit.

 

[Psychoblues]

You're full of it, gunnyl. I don't talk around anything. I spit it out and I mean what I say. You remind EVERYONE of your self important bullshit stripes each time you post with your avatar and signature. I try my best to get on with the subject at hand while you try to just discredit.

I tried, politely, to describe myself as simply "Psychoblues". You want to overwhelm the converstion as "GUNNYL" and display all the stripes that represents.

That's your problem, not mine. So don't try to make it mine.

I SAVE American Lives. I embrace American ideology as best I know it. I am wondering about your own idea of American ideology?

Psychoblues

You have explained NOTHING. You've talked around it each and every time. And unlike you, I'm not on here every other post using "I'm a Gunny -- I was there" as my fallback position everytime someone hands me my ass. If I were to use such a tactic I would fully-expect to be challenged every time I did.

One thing I can tell you for sure ..... I don't ANY combat vets, on this board nor anywhere else, who want to talk about it. Those that have been there don't need an explanation, and those that haven't couldn't possibly understand.

You're just way too willing to hawk your own stock for my taste.

Let's place blame where it belongs .... YOU paint the target on your own chest with all of your self-agrandizing bullshit.

 

[Confident]

History proves that war is never the answer. In an enlightened society, war is completely unnecessary and in a truly religious society war is totally and completely and morally WRONG. READ YOUR BIBLES, KORANS, YOUR TORANS, OR WHATEVER YOU CALL YOUR TRANSCRIPTS OF RELIGIOUS LEADERSHIP AND GUIDANCE!!!!!!

Believe me, WAR is a bitch. We have other alternative measures precluding WAR and they're what I mainly fight FOR!!!!!!!

Psychoblues

Thank u my friend 4 ur thread,
I agree with u, and see the result in Iraq:
more than 2100 American killed
more than 22000 injured
more than $222,000,000,000..

http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

 

[Avatar4321]

declare a war on terrorism and spread it to include anyone that he doesn't particularly agree with. I fight for the upholding of the American Constitution, what it means to me, and the general welfare of the peoples that comprise the population of the United States Of America. I've fought for and continue to be proud of that fight.

I do not fight for companies like Monsanto, Conagra, and others that develop faulty products that ultimately kill people but reap some short term financial benefit for themselves but rob others of their abilities to simply live honest and productive lives. I've fought against that kind of immunity and I'm proud of that fight.

I do not fight for companies like DuPont, Union Carbide, and others that demonstrably create products that are beneficial to most all of us but they deny and somehow "legally" obfuscate and escape their responsibilities for their mistakes thus placing their burdens of ill-thinking on the rest of us. Dead and alive. I'm proud of this fight and I think you should be as well.

I do not fight for corporations like Enron, Worldcom, and others that claim "generally accepted accounting principles" while robbing their shareholders, their employees and American taxpayers and destroying actual human lives in the process. I expect total and complete honesty from our corporations and our government and I've fought for all that and I still do. I hope you do too.

War is never comfortable unless one is protected from it's consequences. War is never desirable unless one has a profit to be realized and is also protected. History proves that war is never the answer. In an enlightened society, war is completely unnecessary and in a truly religious society war is totally and completely and morally WRONG. READ YOUR BIBLES, KORANS, YOUR TORANS, OR WHATEVER YOU CALL YOUR TRANSCRIPTS OF RELIGIOUS LEADERSHIP AND GUIDANCE!!!!!!

Believe me, WAR is a bitch. We have other alternative measures precluding WAR and they're what I mainly fight FOR!!!!!!!

Psychoblues

No, you fight for your own power to the exclusion of what benefits the united states.

You fight for the right of people to fly planes into buildings.

You fight for communist pieces of trash who are trying to kill business in the name of "the people" to make the people idle, jobless, and grateful to the politicians who provide the entitlements for people who actually work in society.

You fight for appeasement. You fight for the Neville chamberlains of the world who would rather give evil men what they want than actually stand up to them.

You fight all that is good and decent in the world. You call good evil and evil good.

 

[Avatar4321]

BTW War has done good in the world.

It is because of war that Europe ended up having the ability to create paper. Which was key to the reformation and enlightenment development periods.

It was war that kept Muslim agressors out or Europe for the most part preserving the European community that would future develop.

It was war that granted us freedom from tyranny

It was war that abolished slavery in this land.

It was war that stoped the evils of socialism whether fascists or communists this previous century.

It was war that stopped the gas chambers

It was war that prevented the killing fields in south east asia. Once we gave up and stopped fighting the communists annihilated anyone who opposed them.

War has nothing to do with miscommunication. There is no basis for that. The fact is war is caused when evil men try to oppress others and good men fight back.

Much like we are doing now. It's an ugly thing. But Losing a few lives is better than rolling over, putting up no fight and watching millions get gassed.

 

[Hobbit]

War has nothing to do with miscommunication. There is no basis for that. The fact is war is caused when evil men try to oppress others and good men fight back.

Much like we are doing now. It's an ugly thing. But Losing a few lives is better than rolling over, putting up no fight and watching millions get gassed.

See, this is the base problem of the liberal ideology. They don't believe in evil, because all morality is relative. According to Muslim customs, it's perfectly ethical to saw the heads off infidels, so we have to respect that and just let them do it. Trying to comprehend this is painful, but it's the only way you can understand liberals.

 

[Gunny]

You're full of it, gunnyl. I don't talk around anything. I spit it out and I mean what I say. You remind EVERYONE of your self important bullshit stripes each time you post with your avatar and signature. I try my best to get on with the subject at hand while you try to just discredit.

I tried, politely, to describe myself as simply "Psychoblues". You want to overwhelm the converstion as "GUNNYL" and display all the stripes that represents.

That's your problem, not mine. So don't try to make it mine.

I SAVE American Lives. I embrace American ideology as best I know it. I am wondering about your own idea of American ideology?

Psychoblues

My ID and avatar merely state that I am a GunnerySergeant in the USMC (retired). By your continually trying to dishonestly twist it into anything more or less than what it is, you're just letting everyone who reads your drivel know what an insecure little jackass you are.

You fight for NOTHING that is good for this Nation. You run your mouth AGAINST this Nation, ranting and railing against everything good about it, and lying your ass off in doing it.

Regardless what you may or may not have done in the past, you are garbage NOW, and you don't deserve the freedoms provided by others better than you that this Nation offers.

Deflect if you will, but the fact is, you never miss a chance to claim what a freakin' hero you think you are. Let's recap ..... you have not missed one hostile action from Vietnam to Desert Storm (like that's going to happen); yet, you have this pathetic, anti-American ideology.

So what you are saying is you fought 30 years for everything you hate. Amazing that you would even attempt to pass off such bullshit. I can't even imagine a nimrod like you lasting more than a hitch, much less 30 years; which, requires a pride in professionalism absent in your posts.

Stop bringing a plastic knife to a gunfight. You get shot down every time, jackass.