Human caused climate change!

[flacaltenn]

Are there still denier's out there? If so, how so!?

THe threads are all there.. They never go out of style. Unlike 88 pages on WeinerGate in the Politics Forum.

Go pick one and I'm sure BOTH sides will be glad to debate..

I'd suggest that it's all been laid out.. The theory, the holes in the theory, the political suppression of dissent, the shoddy data manipulations in "official records", the threats from both sides. I'd suggest you might want to review something with Data and Doctoring in the title..

But remember -- Termites spew 9 Gtons of CO2 per year (not counting the methane), man spews 30 Gtons and the oceans and the land release 738 Gtons of CO2 per year. Now the latter 2 currently sink more they spew.. But with those relative magnitudes, you better have the sinking and spewing down to less than 5% to make sure that men and termites are even in the running.

Knock yourself out...

 

[flacaltenn]

in a billion years, what the heck differnce would it matter?

We live on a planet, there are no promises by God that it will be an easy ride, just ask the dinosaurs.

Moon-unit, "God" is bullshit. Get a clue. Ask an existentialist, or read a book. I recommend page 1 of the Qu'ran, for idiots who haven't figured out why Islam came along. Watch some TV! Wherever you walk whatever walk, you aren't learning, to talk or write, after thinking. Humanity and human habitat is worth some planning and performing.

If you are inferring stuff, about "God" and leaping a billion years, you over-reach, twice, in the same, two-sentence post. Do you have a clue, you need to step aside, or plant something, when the time comes, to re-green? Any time now . . . humans can be like the dinosaurs, without staying around, as long. Dinos lasted for millions of years.

Precious --- my my our little ones are growing up fast...

What a perfect match for a play-date.

 

[RollingThunder]

Global warming is a religion. I'm a Christian.

Anthropogenic global warming is a fact. A fact based on sound science, the laws of physics, and decades of very intensive research by tens of thousands of scientists from many countries all around the world. A fact that is affirmed by pretty much every national and international scientific organization, society, and research institution on the planet with no such organizations denying that fact. A fact that is based on mountains of evidence in many areas, evidence that is becoming more and more obvious to most of the world's population.

AGW denial, on the other hand, is definitely a sort of AstroTurfed cult, created by the fossil fuel industry, with mostly rightwingnut, anti-science, anti-environmental, poorly educated, extremely ignorant, politically motivated, highly deluded retards like you and the other deniers on this forum.

You're most likely a sort of comic-book-christian whose real religion is the worship of money and power. You're obviously a bamboozled and very confused moron, dude, and on the subject of global warming, you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Yeah, we definately need to get rid of the humans.

And the cows too!



BTW, I wasn't aware that denier was still used s legal tender.

We also need to get rid of Corbon Dioxide.






STOP EXHALING, DAMNIT!!!!

That would be bad. I suggest we simply not add extra Co2 to the air.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I thought we caused earth quakes, global warming and Brittany Spears?

Climate change has been happening since, uhm

well

ever.

Maybe you should talk to a grade school science teacher, try a private school, since public schools didn't work for you, and ask him about these things called "ice ages".

Then sit down and

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Climate change has been happening since, uhm

well

ever.

Wow. That's deep, man.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Climate change has been happening since, uhm

well

ever.

Wow. That's deep, man.

Well thank you.

The coolest ice age had to be the one they called "Ice Ball Earth". That's when the northern and southern ice sheets met.

They have also found evidence of ferns, a tropical plant, along the coastlines that are or would have been inside the polar circles. Indicating those regions were once marsh lands.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Climate change has been happening since, uhm

well

ever.

Wow. That's deep, man.

Well thank you.

The coolest ice age had to be the one they called "Ice Ball Earth". That's when the northern and southern ice sheets met.

They have also found evidence of ferns, a tropical plant, along the coastlines that are or would have been inside the polar circles. Indicating those regions were once marsh lands.

Have you thought of publishing your findings? This would surely be a game changer.

 

[RollingThunder]

Climate change has been happening since, uhm

well

ever.

Wow. That's deep, man.

Well thank you.

The coolest ice age had to be the one they called "Ice Ball Earth". That's when the northern and southern ice sheets met.

They have also found evidence of ferns, a tropical plant, along the coastlines that are or would have been inside the polar circles. Indicating those regions were once marsh lands.

It's really funny that you're too stupid to recognize sarcasm but kind of sad that you're too stupid to understand the issue. You obviously have no idea what the terms "anthropogenic global warming & climate changes" actually refer to. Your extremely moronic argument that because the Earth's climate patterns have changed drastically in the distant past, then therefore all current climate changes must be due to natural causes and couldn't possibly be due to anything mankind has done (like raising the atmospheric levels of a powerful greenhouse gas by 40%), well that argument is about as retarded as saying that because forest fires happened for millions of years due to natural causes, then no current forest fires could possibly be started by humans. Too bad you're such an idiot.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Wow. That's deep, man.

Well thank you.

The coolest ice age had to be the one they called "Ice Ball Earth". That's when the northern and southern ice sheets met.

They have also found evidence of ferns, a tropical plant, along the coastlines that are or would have been inside the polar circles. Indicating those regions were once marsh lands.

It's really funny that you're too stupid to recognize sarcasm but kind of sad that you're too stupid to understand the issue. You obviously have no idea what the terms "anthropogenic global warming & climate changes" actually refer to. Your extremely moronic argument that because the Earth's climate patterns have changed drastically in the distant past, then therefore all current climate changes must be due to natural causes and couldn't possibly be due to anything mankind has done (like raising the atmospheric levels of a powerful greenhouse gas by 40%), well that argument is about as retarded as saying that because forest fires happened for millions of years due to natural causes, then no current forest fires could possibly be started by humans. Too bad you're such an idiot.

Really? Forest fires are caused by man? Big evil man causes a lot of bad shit I guess. So I guess there were no forest fires before man came along, right?


Sorry but FOREST FIRES are NATURAL. They've happened MANY TIMES before, without man's help! To suggest that man could possibly be the cause of a forest fire is thus, RETARDED!

 

[Two Thumbs]

Wow. That's deep, man.

Well thank you.

The coolest ice age had to be the one they called "Ice Ball Earth". That's when the northern and southern ice sheets met.

They have also found evidence of ferns, a tropical plant, along the coastlines that are or would have been inside the polar circles. Indicating those regions were once marsh lands.

It's really funny that you're too stupid to recognize sarcasm but kind of sad that you're too stupid to understand the issue. You obviously have no idea what the terms "anthropogenic global warming & climate changes" actually refer to. Your extremely moronic argument that because the Earth's climate patterns have changed drastically in the distant past, then therefore all current climate changes must be due to natural causes and couldn't possibly be due to anything mankind has done (like raising the atmospheric levels of a powerful greenhouse gas by 40%), well that argument is about as retarded as saying that because forest fires happened for millions of years due to natural causes, then no current forest fires could possibly be started by humans. Too bad you're such an idiot.

what a retard

Of course I knew it was sarcasm. ompaloompa isn't know for his objectivity.

what has a greater impact?

mankind or the Sun

put on your thinking cap and open your mind to the possibilities that you have been supporting global warming for more than a decade and the decade old predictions are WAY off.

 

[skookerasbil]

AGW predictions = ghey

 

[bobgnote]

Well thank you.

The coolest ice age had to be the one they called "Ice Ball Earth". That's when the northern and southern ice sheets met.

They have also found evidence of ferns, a tropical plant, along the coastlines that are or would have been inside the polar circles. Indicating those regions were once marsh lands.

It's really funny that you're too stupid to recognize sarcasm but kind of sad that you're too stupid to understand the issue. You obviously have no idea what the terms "anthropogenic global warming & climate changes" actually refer to. Your extremely moronic argument that because the Earth's climate patterns have changed drastically in the distant past, then therefore all current climate changes must be due to natural causes and couldn't possibly be due to anything mankind has done (like raising the atmospheric levels of a powerful greenhouse gas by 40%), well that argument is about as retarded as saying that because forest fires happened for millions of years due to natural causes, then no current forest fires could possibly be started by humans. Too bad you're such an idiot.

what a retard

Of course I knew it was sarcasm. ompaloompa isn't know for his objectivity.

what has a greater impact?

mankind or the Sun

put on your thinking cap and open your mind to the possibilities that you have been supporting global warming for more than a decade and the decade old predictions are WAY off.

Without humans, riding around in cars and wielding chainsaws, this discussion might seem rational. BUT HUMANS HAVE CARS AND CHAINSAWS!

So the natural order of climate change forcers has been re-ordered. The sun is the source of energy, so naturally, it should be number one, regardless of greenhouse effect, without which the Earth would be much cooler, whether or not it's climate warms up.

But since humans started defoliating AND burning fossil fuels, humans doomed the planet, to warming, when it was scheduled, to cool down (see Milankovitch cycles, 650,000 years of similar peaks and troughs). But the Earth is going to warm up.

Since humans got cars and CHAINSAWS, all you have to do is sing, "Texas chainsaw massacree, took my baby, away from me, and she'll never get out of there . . ." Is that so difficult, even for punky fucktards, to figure out? If you cut out the CO2 metabolizers, like TREES, the CO2 is going to skyrocket, joined by MORE CO2 and CH4, via out-gassing, so the greenhouse effect needs to find a whole, new equilibrium.

So the greenhouse effect is readjusting. CO2 has become noticed, as the main forcer, of climate CYCLES, since in the last 650,000 years, it always moves, between 180 ppm, to 280 ppm, and back. Temperature always shoots up, with CO2, or zig-zags down, with CO2, which downward action takes up most of the 100K-year cycles.

CH4 (methane) is the main forcer, of RUNAWAY GLOBAL WARMING, since it is many times as potent, as CO2, at causing the greenhouse effect. When its breakdown to CO2 and H2O is interrupted, by atmospheric equilibrium, without enough OH- ions, CH4 stays in the atmosphere, much, much longer, and the planet gets and stays HOT.

So if you say the sun is competing against man, who released the sequestered CO2, while cutting the metabolizers down, which caused the out-gassing of CH4, the sun isn't the main forcer, of cyclic warming and cooling, even if the sun is the energy source.

If you have two thumbs up, for some stupid reason, check your asshole. One of your thumbs is stuck, way up in there.

 

[RollingThunder]

Well thank you.

The coolest ice age had to be the one they called "Ice Ball Earth". That's when the northern and southern ice sheets met.

They have also found evidence of ferns, a tropical plant, along the coastlines that are or would have been inside the polar circles. Indicating those regions were once marsh lands.

It's really funny that you're too stupid to recognize sarcasm but kind of sad that you're too stupid to understand the issue. You obviously have no idea what the terms "anthropogenic global warming & climate changes" actually refer to. Your extremely moronic argument that because the Earth's climate patterns have changed drastically in the distant past, then therefore all current climate changes must be due to natural causes and couldn't possibly be due to anything mankind has done (like raising the atmospheric levels of a powerful greenhouse gas by 40%), well that argument is about as retarded as saying that because forest fires happened for millions of years due to natural causes, then no current forest fires could possibly be started by humans. Too bad you're such an idiot.

what a retard

Why yes, you are quite a retard.

what has a greater impact?

mankind or the Sun

An idiotic question, typical of idiots like you.

The sun's output has been quite constant so the changes we're seeing in Earth's average temperatures and the consequent climate changes are not due to any changes in the sun's energy reaching Earth. Mankind has raised atmospheric levels of CO2, a powerful greenhouse gas, by 40% and the world's scientists all agree that that factor is the cause of the current warming and climate changes. So, dumbass, the fact is that mankind is currently having a "greater impact" on the Earth's climate while the sun's contribution remains the same as it was before the temperatures started climbing.

put on your thinking cap and open your mind to the possibilities that you have been supporting global warming for more than a decade and the decade old predictions are WAY off.

Actually little retard, the decades old predictions of the climate scientists have proved to be pretty accurate and they mostly underestimated the speed and severity of the climate changes we're experiencing.

 

[flacaltenn]

An idiotic question, typical of idiots like you.

The sun's output has been quite constant so the changes we're seeing in Earth's average temperatures and the consequent climate changes are not due to any changes in the sun's energy reaching Earth. Mankind has raised atmospheric levels of CO2, a powerful greenhouse gas, by 40% and the world's scientists all agree that that factor is the cause of the current warming and climate changes. So, dumbass, the fact is that mankind is currently having a "greater impact" on the Earth's climate while the sun's contribution remains the same as it was before the temperatures started climbing.

Now we got something to discuss RollingThunder.. How sure are you that part I bolded above?? Is THAT what you've been told?

What that shows is explained here.. http://www.usmessageboard.com/5549839-post68.html

The IPCC reports talk about just 12 year cycles of solar output. But the definite increase that you see in that graph is ALMOST equal to the raw calculated forcing function increase due to CO2.. When you see this LONGER solar irradiance record -- ARE YOU STILL sure of what you've been told? That almost ALL of the warming is accounted for by just CO2.

 

[Avorysuds]

Better thank Obama for bringing gas prices down seeing as he has such close ties with the oil companies and does wars for them... Now people can drive more and turn the planet into a fireball of record high temps.

Thank you Obama!!!

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

An idiotic question, typical of idiots like you.

The sun's output has been quite constant so the changes we're seeing in Earth's average temperatures and the consequent climate changes are not due to any changes in the sun's energy reaching Earth. Mankind has raised atmospheric levels of CO2, a powerful greenhouse gas, by 40% and the world's scientists all agree that that factor is the cause of the current warming and climate changes. So, dumbass, the fact is that mankind is currently having a "greater impact" on the Earth's climate while the sun's contribution remains the same as it was before the temperatures started climbing.

Now we got something to discuss RollingThunder.. How sure are you that part I bolded above?? Is THAT what you've been told?

What that shows is explained here.. http://www.usmessageboard.com/5549839-post68.html

The IPCC reports talk about just 12 year cycles of solar output. But the definite increase that you see in that graph is ALMOST equal to the raw calculated forcing function increase due to CO2.. When you see this LONGER solar irradiance record -- ARE YOU STILL sure of what you've been told? That almost ALL of the warming is accounted for by just CO2.

Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature

 

[Katzndogz]

The scientific underpinnings of global warming is easily explained.

The government provides the scientists with a body of raw data and says "If you find that this proves global warming you will get millions of dollars. If you find this doesn't prove global warming you will be fired. Now please give us your unbiased opinion."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are there still denier's out there? If so, how so!?

I left my fridge open, so it wasn't me.

 

[The Infidel]

Are there still denier's out there? If so, how so!?

This question coming from a hypocrite driving a giant diesel spewing truck...

Drive a Prius or an American built Volt