How would you change K-12 Schools in America?

[Wry Catcher]

1. Dismantle the DOE, and forbid the national government from being involved in education in any manner. It is a state issue.

2. Privatize the system 95%

3. Ban teacher's unions unless they are private schools only.

4. Mandatory property tax credit for homeschoolers. No reason for people who opt out of the failed system to support it.

The rest would be left to individual communities to argue about how they educate their kids.

Another several great ideas!

I think so. But I doubt Wry will concur.

You're correct, wry does not concur. Have you considered the consequences of such 'Reform'?

 

[Big Fitz]

Another several great ideas!

I think so. But I doubt Wry will concur.

You're correct, wry does not concur. Have you considered the consequences of such 'Reform'?

Yes. A pittance of irritants compared to the good of their implementation, and all the right people removed from power.

 

[uscitizen]

#2 and #3 seem to cancel each other out in your ideas.
Well all but 5%.

so no federal dollars should be used for education?

 

[Big Fitz]

#2 and #3 seem to cancel each other out in your ideas.
Well all but 5%.

so no federal dollars should be used for education?

Not a one. It is unconstitutional for the federal government to spend on education. It is a state issue. The only reason you have state involvement in 5% of the schools is that they cover the POSSIBLE need for schools in an area unable to find private management facilities.

 

[uscitizen]

Ahh well you will love your property tax bill under your plan

Or do you not support vouchers?

with 95% privatized there will be no vouchers anyway.

 

[Big Fitz]

If the system was privatized, there would be no tax levies for schools, and therefore great tax savings.

 

[uscitizen]

So you think that all parents should pay the full price of their childs education?

You support the caste system in America?

 

[Big Fitz]

So you think that all parents should pay the full price of their childs education?

You support the caste system in America?

To assume a caste system is inevitable is foolishness at best. Why should another pay for your child's education? Is it not your responsibility?

 

[Intense]

I have some ideas but would like to hear what others think. Please, leave the partisan rhetoric out and offer the best ideas you have.

Charter Schools. Advancing on principles and practices that prove effective.

 

[uscitizen]

So you think that all parents should pay the full price of their childs education?

You support the caste system in America?

To assume a caste system is inevitable is foolishness at best. Why should another pay for your child's education? Is it not your responsibility?

Ohh I agree in idealistic principle. However reality overrides idealism in my case.
And if parents had to pay the full cost of their childrens education we for sure would have a caste system within a generation or two.

 

[Big Fitz]

So you think that all parents should pay the full price of their childs education?

You support the caste system in America?

To assume a caste system is inevitable is foolishness at best. Why should another pay for your child's education? Is it not your responsibility?

Ohh I agree in idealistic principle. However reality overrides idealism in my case.
And if parents had to pay the full cost of their childrens education we for sure would have a caste system within a generation or two.

This nation was built on the idea of class mobility based on merit. I doubt it highly. that philosophy is still too ingrained.

 

[mdn2000]

First I would cut the funding 100%.

Everything should be online, private education, of course we cannot trust the Democrats to do the right thing when it comes to educating their children so children of Democrats would have to report to a government school to make sure they at least learn how to write enough to file for welfare and food stamps.

 

[Big Fitz]

That's because liberals do not trust free people and need subjects at the very least, slaves are more preferable though.

 

[hortysir]

Put them in to the free market system.
Why can't a school be for-profit?
Increase the competition. Get the best teachers. etc.....

 

[Big Fitz]

it very easily could... The problem is that it breaks the socialist indoctrination's power structure so that isn't a reasonable solution... to them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

If the system was privatized, there would be no tax levies for schools, and therefore great tax savings.

Great profits for the companies and poor to fair education: poor trade off.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I have some ideas but would like to hear what others think. Please, leave the partisan rhetoric out and offer the best ideas you have.

Charter Schools. Advancing on principles and practices that prove effective.

What is wrong with you guys?

If the parents are not doing their job, the schools will be poor, whether public or charter or private.

I am not going to argue this silliness. Unsubscribe.

 

[High_Gravity]

I am all for teachers discpling students in school, I have seen students cuss out teachers and the teachers could do nothing, maybe security guards in the classroom is what we need, I don't know.

 

[mdn2000]

Privatize and make parents pay for the school. Reduce the tax we pay to one tax, no property tax, nothing but one sales tax, then even the poor will afford schools.

Further, the rich and the middle class have always given money to the poor, we have gave our hard labor through the form of many to scholarships, billions of dollars, why does anyone think we would stop giving to the poor, especially when it comes to education.

One tax will end the waste, our poor education system all comes down to waste in the government, waste is created when you have all levels of government, city, county, state, and federal finding new ways to collect more and more money, its all they focus on, not education.

The only way to end the cycle is to take all sources of money away from those with the least competence to manage the money.

All sources from fees to lottery winnings to taxes, bonds, from tiny cities to the federal government.

That will fix education. Privatize all of government.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Business and industry require an educated work force. Nearly every job requires at least a HS diploma, a document which suggests the recipient demonstrated at least the minimum standard necessary in terms of learning and responsibility.
Most tech jobs reqiure at least a two-year certificate or degree; many today require a BS and experience simply to get into an interview.
The ability to read, comprehend, compute and speak clearly are MQ's (minimum standard) for most semi- professional entry careers.
Not every student desires or has the competence for a college degree, yet we seem to want to teach all kids the same way. No wonder our educational system sucks.
And of course the usual solutions, simple solutions to complex problems enjoy much celebrity.

It's not the parents fault. It's not fault of the Unions or the teachers. It is systemic failure, a product of multiple failures on every level, from the kid to the parent to the teacher to the principal; to the school board, to the city, county and state decision makers and to the Congress of the United States.

Packing school boards with religious zealots and partisan hacks has made the process of systemic fix nearly impossible; principals going it alone and not using local resources at the earliest hint of need exacerbate problems more easily mitigated at an early age; and the result seems to squander the greatest assest of kids - curiosity.
School uniforms, prayer in school, private schools, charter school, home schools all ignore the basic issue, school is to prepare children to become responsible adults - able to communicate on an adult level, provide for their own needs and benefit the social order.
On this basic level our system is a failure. What is amazing, some kids flourish; most however get by and never reach their potential because it has been extinguished by adults.