How We Know Republicans Are Responsible For The Shutdown

[Antares]

The GOP knows that if ObamaCare launches and then runs for a whole year, a lot of the kinks will get worked out, and millions and millions and millions and millions of people will grow to like it. A lot.

NOBODY knows that, not even you oh omniscient one, but thanks for all of that speculation.

No, nobody "knows" that, but even before this bill was passed, prominent conservatives voiced that very fear and that's what's motivating them now.

And that's why they can piss up a rope when it comes to getting a delay.

Of course...and it such a ROUSING first week of it.

(rolling my eyes)

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The only people in American who think Obama and the Dems are to blame are the radical right wing nutters who support this political move by the Republicans.

That's false.

Government Shutdown Blame? Poll Fingers Republicans And Democrats

Touchè,

Despite the hyperbole, though, polls still suggest that the majority blame the Republicans. Which is appropriate, considering they ARE the minority nationwide.

Before you start believing the Democrats are safe in this shutdown, you might want to gander at this.

Oct 3 - CBS poll


The overwhelming response from all demographics is compromise. Over the whole sample, 76% want Obama and the Democrats to compromise, and 78% want House Republicans to compromise. Sixty-one percent of Democrats want to see compromise from their own side, and 59% of Republicans feel the same way.

CBS notes that their poll in the November 1995 shutdown put blame on Republicans by nearly a 2:1 ratio, 51/28, in relation to Bill Clinton. That’s not a good sign for Democrats, either.

That suggests that the “clean CR or else” and “I won’t negotiate” messaging from Reid and Obama will eventually backfire, especially as House Republicans send individual appropriations with little disagreement to the Senate only to get them rejected out of hand. That Kabuki theater last night at the White House may end up backfiring after raising expectations that Democrats were preparing to negotiate after all.

Speaking of Republicans, I found this article poll to be interesting.

USA TODAY poll:
53%disapprove of the health care law, the highest level since it was signed; 42% approve.

41% of those surveyed strongly disapprove while just 26% strongly approve. Fifty-three percent disapprove of Obama's handling of health care policy, an historic high.

Forty-one percent predict in coming years the effect on themselves and their families will be negative; just 25% think it will be positive. Even more, 47%, say the law will have a negative impact on the country as a whole; 35% expect a positive impact.

For the first time in polling that stretches back more than two decades, Americans narrowly prefer Republicans in dealing with health care policy, 40%-39%

USA TODAY/Pew poll: Health care law faces difficult future

 

[Trajan]

Not that this is any kind of new revelation, but...




http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/05/opinion/collins-frankenstein-goes-to-congress.html?_r=0

that author needs a course in critical thinking, unless he thinks this is some cute
partisan googa playing to the crowd.... hes right, medicare is paid for ahead, via fica, what does that have to do with the aca? Unless of course the author is drawing a forward analogy, as to paying ahead ( ala the young and healthy) for care that they probably won't get on anywhere near the terms they have been told they will, and not in terms today either, as in keeping a doctor or plan they have now......

Everyone needs medical care at one time or another. Your arguing for a free ride is precious.

It appears you posses critical thinking skills -- critical thinking skiils so flawed as to be a bigger handucap than having none at all.

I didn't argue for a free ride, here;

Online Course: Reading Comprehension 101 - Certificate and Accredited CEUs


put the bong down and back away, slowly...grab some cheetos.....

 

[daveman]

What the Democrats should give the Republicans, to help them save face

We should give them all a pony.

Yeah. Who's going to pay for all the ponies?

Certainly not you lot.

 

[Hoffstra]

Boehner today threatened a default if they don't get the budget cuts they want.

I wonder who will be responsible for a default.

 

[EriktheRed]

Boehner today threatened a default if they don't get the budget cuts they want.

I wonder who will be responsible for a default.

Got a quote?

 

[Katzndogz]

The Republican congresspeople have excellent healthcare insurance, and they want to deny it to the rest of us.
The fight over funding the ACA only serves as a foil to a larger purpose, which is the desire of a dwindling, increasingly marginalized faction to seize power through extortion which they cannot obtain through the ballot box.
Our President should NEVER negotiate with these domestic terrorists.

Is that why the IRS and other government employees don't want any part of this plan, and are BEGGING Obama for an exemption? Push that propoganda somewhere else, as the reality of all these exemptions don't match your rhetoric.

Is that why the democrats in Congress exempted THEMSELVES when Republicans wanted to extend ACA to Congress?

 

[Hoffstra]

Is that why the democrats in Congress exempted THEMSELVES when Republicans wanted to extend ACA to Congress?

Boehner was part of the deal to exempt Congress from the exchanges.

 

[Hoffstra]

Boehner today threatened a default if they don't get the budget cuts they want.

I wonder who will be responsible for a default.

Got a quote?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/07/u...-lawmakers-to-raise-debt-ceiling.html?hp&_r=0

 

[EriktheRed]

Boehner today threatened a default if they don't get the budget cuts they want.

I wonder who will be responsible for a default.

Got a quote?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/07/u...-lawmakers-to-raise-debt-ceiling.html?hp&_r=0

I see.

Well, this shit should be on him, then.

 

[Chris]

Anyone against the basic tenants of Obamacare feels strongly and passionately that insurance companies should be able to cancel coverage at anytime, that they should be able to deny insurance to anyone, that they should be able to cap the coverage even after someone has paid thousands for the insurance of a period of years, even decades. They believe that insurance companies should continue as death panels, that sick people should go bankrupt trying to pay their bills, that children born with pre-existing conditions are unworthy of insurance. The believe in a corrupt, morally indefensible system that doesn't actually provide anyone "insurance" that can be counted on.

Until they themselves face being capped, cancelled or denied themselves.

 

[hortysir]

Anyone against the basic tenants of Obamacare feels strongly and passionately that insurance companies should be able to cancel coverage at anytime, that they should be able to deny insurance to anyone, that they should be able to cap the coverage even after someone has paid thousands for the insurance of a period of years, even decades. They believe that insurance companies should continue as death panels, that sick people should go bankrupt trying to pay their bills, that children born with pre-existing conditions are unworthy of insurance. The believe in a corrupt, morally indefensible system that doesn't actually provide anyone "insurance" that can be counted on.

Until they themselves face being capped, cancelled or denied themselves.

I'm not going to apologize for being in favor of a free market where a privately-held company can make business decisions on their own.

But you have to also be unaplogetic in your support of an over-reaching government (that is, btw, in the pocket of your boogeyman insurance industry) that took it upon their selves to MANDATE life-long customers of the evil insurance companies.

 

[Antares]

Anyone against the basic tenants of Obamacare feels strongly and passionately that insurance companies should be able to cancel coverage at anytime, that they should be able to deny insurance to anyone, that they should be able to cap the coverage even after someone has paid thousands for the insurance of a period of years, even decades. They believe that insurance companies should continue as death panels, that sick people should go bankrupt trying to pay their bills, that children born with pre-existing conditions are unworthy of insurance. The believe in a corrupt, morally indefensible system that doesn't actually provide anyone "insurance" that can be counted on.

Until they themselves face being capped, cancelled or denied themselves.

Anyone against the basic tenants of Obamacare feels strongly and passionately that insurance companies should be able to cancel coverage at anytime, -



You ignorant fuck.
They never could do that.

that they should be able to deny insurance to anyone
Yes?
So in your opinion they should take a 200 dollar payment to pay out a few hundred thousand?

You are an ignorant fuck.

 

[Contumacious]

Anyone against the basic tenants of Obamacare feels strongly and passionately that insurance companies should be able to cancel coverage at anytime, that they should be able to deny insurance to anyone, that they should be able to cap the coverage even after someone has paid thousands for the insurance of a period of years, even decades. They believe that insurance companies should continue as death panels, that sick people should go bankrupt trying to pay their bills, that children born with pre-existing conditions are unworthy of insurance. The believe in a corrupt, morally indefensible system that doesn't actually provide anyone "insurance" that can be counted on.

Until they themselves face being capped, cancelled or denied themselves.

What prevents you and your messiah from starting YOUR OWN INSURANCE COMPANY and providing YOUR customers whatever benefits float your boat?!?!?!?!?!!?

 

[Dot Com]

It is very simple.

The GOP has voted 40 times in the House to repeal ObamaCare.

Now they want to defund (delay) it for one year.

One year from now is the mid-term elections which the Republicans hope will give them a majority in Congress at which time they can then vote to repeal ObamaCare again, this time with the repeal passing both houses of Congress.

The GOP knows that if ObamaCare launches and then runs for a whole year, a lot of the kinks will get worked out, and millions and millions and millions and millions of people will grow to like it. A lot.

And then the GOP is fucked on the mid-terms.

So they are doing a Hail Mary pass right now. They are desperate and holding the entire country hostage.


The Democrats sure as shit would not want to shut the government down or delay Obamacare for a year. They know time is on their side.



That is how you know this shutdown is all on the GOP.


The GOP fucked up big time. Healthcare costs have been a problem for the country for a long time. That's why we almost got HillaryCare. That's why even the right wing Heritage foundation investigated the problem and suggested a health insurance mandate as part of the solution.

But what did the GOP do about rising healthcare costs when it controlled all three branches of government? Anyone? Anyone?


NOTHING!!!! That's what.


Then the Democrats get back and power and put a plan on the table. America decided their plan was better than NOTHING.

And that's how we got to where we are.


And so what is the GOP's alternative plan to ObamaCare? What is the GOP finally come up with to reform out of control health care costs?

NOTHING!!!!

Still...NOTHING!!!!


This is beyond amazing.

Even at this too late date, their only alternative plan is NOTHING!!!!.


And that is why they are holding their breath until they turn blue now.



This is just how far my beloved party has fallen.

^ that
Even The T or CrusaderFrank57 can't argue w/ that rock solid reasoning

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Anyone against the basic tenants of Obamacare feels strongly and passionately that insurance companies should be able to cancel coverage at anytime, that they should be able to deny insurance to anyone, that they should be able to cap the coverage even after someone has paid thousands for the insurance of a period of years, even decades. They believe that insurance companies should continue as death panels, that sick people should go bankrupt trying to pay their bills, that children born with pre-existing conditions are unworthy of insurance. The believe in a corrupt, morally indefensible system that doesn't actually provide anyone "insurance" that can be counted on.

Until they themselves face being capped, cancelled or denied themselves.

Hate to burst your bubble there Chris, but you may want to look at these articles below, before you insert that foot in your mouth. Then let's see if, in your next post, you can explain to me how government health care IS the better solution for everyone involved.

NHS charging and rationing 'may be needed'

By Nick Triggle
Health correspondent, BBC News
4 July 2012 Last updated at 01:16

SOURCE - BBC News - NHS charging and rationing 'may be needed'

The Institute for Fiscal Studies says the coming years will be the toughest since the early 1950s when dental and prescription fees were introduced.

Other measures, including tax rises, could also form part of the solution. And the review says decisions on the NHS - and social care - will have an impact on other public services too. This is because of the huge amount of the public purse they consume.

The NHS alone accounts for nearly a quarter of public spending.

The painful truth about rationing in the NHS

SOURCE - The painful truth about rationing in the NHS | History Extra

Governments tried from time to time to reduce the cost. In the 1950s ministers held talks with the industry over ‘fair’ levels of profit; in the 1960s restrictions were placed on promotional spending. And in the 1980s, a list of cheaper generic products was announced, to be substituted in NHS provision for more expensive branded drugs.

So the challenge of health service spending remains. Despite cherished beliefs that care is free and unlimited for all, resources are, in the end, limited. “One person’s hip replacement can mean the loss of someone’s palliative care,” as Gorsky says. That kind of trade-off may not always be so visible. But the pills we are – or are not – prescribed make brutally clear what, for all its promises, the NHS can really provide.

Ban on NHS top up is cruel rationing, says BMA


By Rebecca Smith, Medical Editor in Edinburgh 3:30PM BST 09 Jul 2008

SOURCE - Ban on NHS top up is cruel rationing, says BMA - Telegraph


The debate comes after a woman dying of cancer was denied free NHS treatment in her final months because she had paid privately for a drug to try to prolong her life.

Linda O’Boyle, 64, from Billericay, Essex, was receiving chemotherapy on the NHS, but she paid for the drug cetuximab to boost her chances of fighting bowel cancer. She was banned from free NHS care and died in May.

Why We Must Ration Health Care

SOURCE - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/19/magazine/19healthcare-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Meeting last month with five governors, President Obama urged them to avoid using the term, apparently for fear of evoking the hostile response that sank the Clintons’ attempt to achieve reform.

Rationing health care means getting value for the billions we are spending by setting limits on which treatments should be paid for from the public purse.

 

[g5000]

What is the GOP health reform plan that everyone has heard of?

NOTHING!!!!

Have your health insurance costs gone up way faster than inflation for over a decade now? Here is what the GOP has proposed to help you: NOTHING!!!!

Did you come down with a catastrophic illness and get wiped out financially? Here is what the GOP has proposed to help you: NOTHING!!!!


Note to GOP: The American people feel ObamaCare is better than NOTHING!!!!

The GOP has deluded itself into believing the American people don't like ObamaCare, and that is because they don't ask the right questions. Ask them if they like it better than NOTHING!!!!

 

[hortysir]

What is the GOP health reform plan that everyone has heard of?

NOTHING!!!!

Have your health insurance costs gone up way faster than inflation for over a decade now? Here is what the GOP has proposed to help you: NOTHING!!!!

Did you come down with a catastrophic illness and get wiped out financially? Here is what the GOP has proposed to help you: NOTHING!!!!


Note to GOP: The American people feel ObamaCare is better than NOTHING!!!!

The GOP has deluded itself into believing the American people don't like ObamaCare, and that is because they don't ask the right questions. Ask them if they like it better than NOTHING!!!!

There were suggestions made by the GOP during the write up of this legislation.
The DNC wanted no part of it. They had the power and it was their way or no way.

If we could have taken our time and really negotiated a plan that worked for everyone, we could be in a much better place than this, "We must pass it so we know what's in it" bullshit.

 

[JoeNormal]

What is the GOP health reform plan that everyone has heard of?

NOTHING!!!!

Have your health insurance costs gone up way faster than inflation for over a decade now? Here is what the GOP has proposed to help you: NOTHING!!!!

Did you come down with a catastrophic illness and get wiped out financially? Here is what the GOP has proposed to help you: NOTHING!!!!


Note to GOP: The American people feel ObamaCare is better than NOTHING!!!!

The GOP has deluded itself into believing the American people don't like ObamaCare, and that is because they don't ask the right questions. Ask them if they like it better than NOTHING!!!!

There were suggestions made by the GOP during the write up of this legislation.
The DNC wanted no part of it. They had the power and it was their way or no way.

If we could have taken our time and really negotiated a plan that worked for everyone, we could be in a much better place than this, "We must pass it so we know what's in it" bullshit.

That's not the way I recall it going down. I think Obama wanted something like Medicare for all and in the seemingly endless rounds of negotiations (which I thought the Dems were way more amenable to the Republicans than they needed to be) we got what we have now.

 

[hortysir]

What is the GOP health reform plan that everyone has heard of?

NOTHING!!!!

Have your health insurance costs gone up way faster than inflation for over a decade now? Here is what the GOP has proposed to help you: NOTHING!!!!

Did you come down with a catastrophic illness and get wiped out financially? Here is what the GOP has proposed to help you: NOTHING!!!!


Note to GOP: The American people feel ObamaCare is better than NOTHING!!!!

The GOP has deluded itself into believing the American people don't like ObamaCare, and that is because they don't ask the right questions. Ask them if they like it better than NOTHING!!!!

There were suggestions made by the GOP during the write up of this legislation.
The DNC wanted no part of it. They had the power and it was their way or no way.

If we could have taken our time and really negotiated a plan that worked for everyone, we could be in a much better place than this, "We must pass it so we know what's in it" bullshit.

That's not the way I recall it going down. I think Obama wanted something like Medicare for all and in the seemingly endless rounds of negotiations (which I thought the Dems were way more amenable to the Republicans than they needed to be) we got what we have now.

You don't remember the locked meeting rooms or the darkened chambers?