How much will your premiums increase under Obamacare? See table for each state

You can buy a bronze plan with a fairly high deductible and you will pay almost all your medical expenses up to the deductible. How high the deductible is depends on the the state and the plan. In my state a 35 year old male can get a bronze plan with a:
$6300 deductible
$6300 maximum out of pocket expense so everything is paid for after the deductible.
Premium is $212/mo.

If you have an income of less than $48000/yr then the premium will be less because of the subsidy, however if you want the subsidy you must buy the plan on the exchange. If your income is $24000, then the premium drops to about $120/mo.
My employer subsidizes medical insurance for all its employees (that choose to participate). Effective Jan 1 2014 they will no longer subsidize insurance for part time employees, only for full time employees. That means about 1/2 of the companies 60,000 employees can no longer secure medical insurance through the company. In all honesty, I have no idea how many part time employees are actually obtaining insurance through the company.

In the past, the company has offered 5 different plans. A bronze, a silver, and gold PPO, an HSA plan and a Limited plan. Anybody that has insurance through their employer is probably familiar with the 3 PPO's, they have various deductibles, co-pays and max out-of-pocket tied to the cost of the plan. The limited plan was very cheap, but it didn't cover much. It was probably typically used by lower paid or part time employees that needed insurance for a maintenance medicine such as diabetes meds or high blood pressure meds and not a need for other medical services. The HSA plan was ideal for healthy people like me. It is a fairly low cost and high deductible plan. The individual is responsible for 100% of medical costs until the deductible is met. Whereas a PPO would cover a standard office visit with a partial co-pay, the HSA participant would pay all of a standard office visit until his deductible was met. Additionally, participants in the HSA (Health Savings Account) can contribute monies pre-tax to an account and use those monies for medical costs to cover for the deductible. Those monies are in an interest bearing account and that account belongs to the participant and those monies are never lost. Even were I to leave the company, I would still own that account and be able to use it for medical care costs. In my case, I contribute $1500 annually to the account. After 2 years and 9 months of being in the HSA I currently have slightly over $4000 in my HSA account. Again, that is because I am pretty healthy and have had minimal health care needs.

So, beginning Jan 2014, the company will only have 2 options for health insurance. The limited plan obviously does not meet ACA standards, so it was dropped. Of the 3 PPO's, the bronze did not meet ACA standards, so it was dropped. Of the other two PPO plans, the company decided to merge them and only offer one PPO. I suspect the primary reason for doing so has more to do with the company wanting to simplify their management of health insurance coverage, not so much with ACA laws and governance. The other option is the HSA. The plan I have had and will continue to have, but it did change some.

The HSA (2013) costs me $140 a month. For that, I cover all medical expenses until I meet a $2000 deductible. After hitting that $2K, I would then pay 20% of any medical costs up until I would hit a max out-of-pocket of $4000.
Beginning in 2014, the HSA will cost me $178 a month. For that, I will cover all medical expenses until I hit $2500. After hitting the $2.5K I will then pay 20% of any expenses until I hit the max out-of-pocket of $3300.
So, the initial deductible (amount before insurance kicks in) has increased 25% while the max out-of-pocket has decreased by 17.5% all for a premium that has increased by 27%. Only one year in my entire life (and I have surpassed the half century mark) have I had a single year medical cost exceed $2000. My personal costs, that doesn't include family costs, because I damn sure paid well over $2K for the birth of my first daughter because my wife didn't have insurance at the time (the pregnancy was not intended).

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching, I just wish I could pay less for my insurance now, have a higher max out-of-pocket (which I can afford and have only once hit so far), and invest the difference for the future. Because, at some point in the future I will need more medical treatment and it may be expensive and I probably won't be working when that day comes, so my employer won't be subsidizing my insurance.
 
The simplest reason the thread title is a lie?

I have employer based healthcare insurance that is not increasing at all because of Obamacare. I suspect most people on this forum fall into that, or a similar, category.

What is it with conservatives and their starting thread after thread premised on outright lies?

I notice that you didn't say, "is not increasing at all", what you said was "is not increasing at all because of Obamacare". I've been using employer subsidized health insurance for over 30 years. Every one of those years, I have seen a cost increase for comparable coverage. Obviously, the ACA is not responsible for increases prior to its existence, but this year and next year (especially next year) have been the absolute largest increases. Common sense tells me that the ACA is partially responsible for that.
 
That table was concocted by confirmed anti-Obamacare partisans from, or affiliated with, the Heritage foundation.

That makes them effectively an interested party, and thus their 'testimony' unless objectively verified, is suspect.

Feel free to debunk the information if you can.
Attacking the source (instead of the content) is simply an act of jousting against a scarecrow.
 
The simplest reason the thread title is a lie?

I have employer based healthcare insurance that is not increasing at all because of Obamacare. I suspect most people on this forum fall into that, or a similar, category.

What is it with conservatives and their starting thread after thread premised on outright lies?

Cuz, without lies, they have bumpkis.

Ours is going down.
Plus refunds because insurance companies are now required to spend 80% of premiums on patient care.
Some of our scrips are lower now.
Last two office visits, no copay
And, I'm having a fairly serious surgery just before Thanksgiving. It will be interesting to see if I will have to pay for any of those costs.


I think the reason rw's are getting different answers is obvious.

Somehow, the kenyan commie fascist taoist dog loving dictator prez has managed to get all the voting records from the last two elections. If you didn't vote for him, your cost will be more than for those of who did vote for him.

What's really scary is that the rw's won't read that as silly sarcasm. Nope. To them, it will magically become fact and they will now start sending it out in all their emails.
 
The bureaucrats fumbling their way through Obamacare have come up with complicated formulas to decide how much each of us will pay for Obamacare, once the mandate forces us to comply. The formulas have not been released, having been kept secret for some reason.

But some people have sat down and gone through the Federal and State exchanges to find the rates required for a young person, an older person, and a family of four, for each state.

Most people in most states will see large increases. A few will see decreases.

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Enrollment in Obamacare Exchanges: How Will Your Health Insurance Fare?

This chart is not true for my state.

I feel bad for people who will just blindly believe this crap.
 
The simplest reason the thread title is a lie?

I have employer based healthcare insurance that is not increasing at all because of Obamacare. I suspect most people on this forum fall into that, or a similar, category.

What is it with conservatives and their starting thread after thread premised on outright lies?

Cuz, without lies, they have bumpkis.

Ours is going down.
Plus refunds because insurance companies are now required to spend 80% of premiums on patient care.
Some of our scrips are lower now.
Last two office visits, no copay
And, I'm having a fairly serious surgery just before Thanksgiving. It will be interesting to see if I will have to pay for any of those costs.


I think the reason rw's are getting different answers is obvious.

Somehow, the kenyan commie fascist taoist dog loving dictator prez has managed to get all the voting records from the last two elections. If you didn't vote for him, your cost will be more than for those of who did vote for him.

What's really scary is that the rw's won't read that as silly sarcasm. Nope. To them, it will magically become fact and they will now start sending it out in all their emails.
I wish President Obama was more Taoist. He might actually make a good decision if he was.
 
Uh, FOXNews had a real man and his family of 4 from TN on this week where he said his insurance plan for his family went from $400 a month to over $1100 a month with a $24,000 deductible.

Yes, I said $24,000 deductible. Why the fuck even have insurance if you have to spend $24,000 before the insurance covers your expenses....

From fux, not surprising that they lied.

There is a cap on allowed deductible. If I remember right, its about $12K.

The maroons really need to stop listening to the lies from the muslin at fux.
 
The bureaucrats fumbling their way through Obamacare have come up with complicated formulas to decide how much each of us will pay for Obamacare, once the mandate forces us to comply. The formulas have not been released, having been kept secret for some reason.

But some people have sat down and gone through the Federal and State exchanges to find the rates required for a young person, an older person, and a family of four, for each state.

Most people in most states will see large increases. A few will see decreases.

119648d1382196907-how-much-will-your-premiums-increase-ocarepricesvsfreeent19oct2013.gif


Enrollment in Obamacare Exchanges: How Will Your Health Insurance Fare?

This chart is not true for my state.

I feel bad for people who will just blindly believe this crap.

Feel free to enlighten us. Perhaps something more than your say-so, like a link to facts, would be beneficial for us unwashed masses.
 
The simplest reason the thread title is a lie?

I have employer based healthcare insurance that is not increasing at all because of Obamacare. I suspect most people on this forum fall into that, or a similar, category.

What is it with conservatives and their starting thread after thread premised on outright lies?

You would have got a raise if Obamacare hadn't ate it up giving you coverage for things that will continue to eat up your raises for the next 30 years, but keep telling yourself all that stuff is free.
 
The bureaucrats fumbling their way through Obamacare have come up with complicated formulas to decide how much each of us will pay for Obamacare, once the mandate forces us to comply. The formulas have not been released, having been kept secret for some reason.

But some people have sat down and gone through the Federal and State exchanges to find the rates required for a young person, an older person, and a family of four, for each state.

Most people in most states will see large increases. A few will see decreases.

119648d1382196907-how-much-will-your-premiums-increase-ocarepricesvsfreeent19oct2013.gif


Enrollment in Obamacare Exchanges: How Will Your Health Insurance Fare?

This chart is not true for my state.

I feel bad for people who will just blindly believe this crap.

Tell you what, give me the name of your state, and your age, and I will show you just how much Obamacare impacts premiums for people that are forced to use it.
 
Uh, FOXNews had a real man and his family of 4 from TN on this week where he said his insurance plan for his family went from $400 a month to over $1100 a month with a $24,000 deductible.

Yes, I said $24,000 deductible. Why the fuck even have insurance if you have to spend $24,000 before the insurance covers your expenses....

From fux, not surprising that they lied.

There is a cap on allowed deductible. If I remember right, its about $12K.


The maroons really need to stop listening to the lies from the muslin at fux.

Which is quite affordable for a single mother working at McDonalds 28 hours a week for $8.00 an hour. ObamaCare has got her covered. <sarcasm that>
 
Uh, FOXNews had a real man and his family of 4 from TN on this week where he said his insurance plan for his family went from $400 a month to over $1100 a month with a $24,000 deductible.

Yes, I said $24,000 deductible. Why the fuck even have insurance if you have to spend $24,000 before the insurance covers your expenses....

From fux, not surprising that they lied.

There is a cap on allowed deductible. If I remember right, its about $12K.

The maroons really need to stop listening to the lies from the muslin at fux.

Wouldn't that depend on his family and if he had collateral dependents?
 
You can buy a bronze plan with a fairly high deductible and you will pay almost all your medical expenses up to the deductible. How high the deductible is depends on the the state and the plan. In my state a 35 year old male can get a bronze plan with a:
$6300 deductible
$6300 maximum out of pocket expense so everything is paid for after the deductible.
Premium is $212/mo.

If you have an income of less than $48000/yr then the premium will be less because of the subsidy, however if you want the subsidy you must buy the plan on the exchange. If your income is $24000, then the premium drops to about $120/mo.
My employer subsidizes medical insurance for all its employees (that choose to participate). Effective Jan 1 2014 they will no longer subsidize insurance for part time employees, only for full time employees. That means about 1/2 of the companies 60,000 employees can no longer secure medical insurance through the company. In all honesty, I have no idea how many part time employees are actually obtaining insurance through the company.

In the past, the company has offered 5 different plans. A bronze, a silver, and gold PPO, an HSA plan and a Limited plan. Anybody that has insurance through their employer is probably familiar with the 3 PPO's, they have various deductibles, co-pays and max out-of-pocket tied to the cost of the plan. The limited plan was very cheap, but it didn't cover much. It was probably typically used by lower paid or part time employees that needed insurance for a maintenance medicine such as diabetes meds or high blood pressure meds and not a need for other medical services. The HSA plan was ideal for healthy people like me. It is a fairly low cost and high deductible plan. The individual is responsible for 100% of medical costs until the deductible is met. Whereas a PPO would cover a standard office visit with a partial co-pay, the HSA participant would pay all of a standard office visit until his deductible was met. Additionally, participants in the HSA (Health Savings Account) can contribute monies pre-tax to an account and use those monies for medical costs to cover for the deductible. Those monies are in an interest bearing account and that account belongs to the participant and those monies are never lost. Even were I to leave the company, I would still own that account and be able to use it for medical care costs. In my case, I contribute $1500 annually to the account. After 2 years and 9 months of being in the HSA I currently have slightly over $4000 in my HSA account. Again, that is because I am pretty healthy and have had minimal health care needs.

So, beginning Jan 2014, the company will only have 2 options for health insurance. The limited plan obviously does not meet ACA standards, so it was dropped. Of the 3 PPO's, the bronze did not meet ACA standards, so it was dropped. Of the other two PPO plans, the company decided to merge them and only offer one PPO. I suspect the primary reason for doing so has more to do with the company wanting to simplify their management of health insurance coverage, not so much with ACA laws and governance. The other option is the HSA. The plan I have had and will continue to have, but it did change some.

The HSA (2013) costs me $140 a month. For that, I cover all medical expenses until I meet a $2000 deductible. After hitting that $2K, I would then pay 20% of any medical costs up until I would hit a max out-of-pocket of $4000.
Beginning in 2014, the HSA will cost me $178 a month. For that, I will cover all medical expenses until I hit $2500. After hitting the $2.5K I will then pay 20% of any expenses until I hit the max out-of-pocket of $3300.
So, the initial deductible (amount before insurance kicks in) has increased 25% while the max out-of-pocket has decreased by 17.5% all for a premium that has increased by 27%. Only one year in my entire life (and I have surpassed the half century mark) have I had a single year medical cost exceed $2000. My personal costs, that doesn't include family costs, because I damn sure paid well over $2K for the birth of my first daughter because my wife didn't have insurance at the time (the pregnancy was not intended).

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching, I just wish I could pay less for my insurance now, have a higher max out-of-pocket (which I can afford and have only once hit so far), and invest the difference for the future. Because, at some point in the future I will need more medical treatment and it may be expensive and I probably won't be working when that day comes, so my employer won't be subsidizing my insurance.
I can't begin to comment or understand your finances but I can comment on your statement of being over 50 and not ever having medical cost exceed $2,000 in a year. My experience was much the same except my medical expenses probably didn't exceed a $1,000 in any year. However, when I was 56, I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. My total cost of treatment was just over $50,000. During that year I had another illness requiring hospitalizing and surgery with a cost of just over $45,000.

I think one of the biggest misstates younger people make is thinking that past medical costs are predictive of the future. It's not a question of if you will have large medical expenses but rather when.
 
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Uh, FOXNews had a real man and his family of 4 from TN on this week where he said his insurance plan for his family went from $400 a month to over $1100 a month with a $24,000 deductible.

Yes, I said $24,000 deductible. Why the fuck even have insurance if you have to spend $24,000 before the insurance covers your expenses....

Something you REALLY need to read.

Sean Hannity's Obamacare 'Train Wreck' Lies Exposed - NewsHounds
Good article exposing Hannity.
 
You can buy a bronze plan with a fairly high deductible and you will pay almost all your medical expenses up to the deductible. How high the deductible is depends on the the state and the plan. In my state a 35 year old male can get a bronze plan with a:
$6300 deductible
$6300 maximum out of pocket expense so everything is paid for after the deductible.
Premium is $212/mo.

If you have an income of less than $48000/yr then the premium will be less because of the subsidy, however if you want the subsidy you must buy the plan on the exchange. If your income is $24000, then the premium drops to about $120/mo.
My employer subsidizes medical insurance for all its employees (that choose to participate). Effective Jan 1 2014 they will no longer subsidize insurance for part time employees, only for full time employees. That means about 1/2 of the companies 60,000 employees can no longer secure medical insurance through the company. In all honesty, I have no idea how many part time employees are actually obtaining insurance through the company.

In the past, the company has offered 5 different plans. A bronze, a silver, and gold PPO, an HSA plan and a Limited plan. Anybody that has insurance through their employer is probably familiar with the 3 PPO's, they have various deductibles, co-pays and max out-of-pocket tied to the cost of the plan. The limited plan was very cheap, but it didn't cover much. It was probably typically used by lower paid or part time employees that needed insurance for a maintenance medicine such as diabetes meds or high blood pressure meds and not a need for other medical services. The HSA plan was ideal for healthy people like me. It is a fairly low cost and high deductible plan. The individual is responsible for 100% of medical costs until the deductible is met. Whereas a PPO would cover a standard office visit with a partial co-pay, the HSA participant would pay all of a standard office visit until his deductible was met. Additionally, participants in the HSA (Health Savings Account) can contribute monies pre-tax to an account and use those monies for medical costs to cover for the deductible. Those monies are in an interest bearing account and that account belongs to the participant and those monies are never lost. Even were I to leave the company, I would still own that account and be able to use it for medical care costs. In my case, I contribute $1500 annually to the account. After 2 years and 9 months of being in the HSA I currently have slightly over $4000 in my HSA account. Again, that is because I am pretty healthy and have had minimal health care needs.

So, beginning Jan 2014, the company will only have 2 options for health insurance. The limited plan obviously does not meet ACA standards, so it was dropped. Of the 3 PPO's, the bronze did not meet ACA standards, so it was dropped. Of the other two PPO plans, the company decided to merge them and only offer one PPO. I suspect the primary reason for doing so has more to do with the company wanting to simplify their management of health insurance coverage, not so much with ACA laws and governance. The other option is the HSA. The plan I have had and will continue to have, but it did change some.

The HSA (2013) costs me $140 a month. For that, I cover all medical expenses until I meet a $2000 deductible. After hitting that $2K, I would then pay 20% of any medical costs up until I would hit a max out-of-pocket of $4000.
Beginning in 2014, the HSA will cost me $178 a month. For that, I will cover all medical expenses until I hit $2500. After hitting the $2.5K I will then pay 20% of any expenses until I hit the max out-of-pocket of $3300.
So, the initial deductible (amount before insurance kicks in) has increased 25% while the max out-of-pocket has decreased by 17.5% all for a premium that has increased by 27%. Only one year in my entire life (and I have surpassed the half century mark) have I had a single year medical cost exceed $2000. My personal costs, that doesn't include family costs, because I damn sure paid well over $2K for the birth of my first daughter because my wife didn't have insurance at the time (the pregnancy was not intended).

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not bitching, I just wish I could pay less for my insurance now, have a higher max out-of-pocket (which I can afford and have only once hit so far), and invest the difference for the future. Because, at some point in the future I will need more medical treatment and it may be expensive and I probably won't be working when that day comes, so my employer won't be subsidizing my insurance.
I can't begin to comment or understand your finances but I can comment on your statement of being over 50 and not ever having medical cost exceed $2,000 in a year. My experience was much the same except my medical expenses probably didn't exceed a $1,000 in any year. However, when I was 56, I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. My total cost of treatment was just over $50,000. During that year I had another illness requiring hospitalizing and surgery with a cost of just over $45,000.

I think one of the biggest misstates younger people make is thinking that past medical costs are predictive of the future. It's not a question of if you will have large medical expenses but rather when.

Yes, it is more a matter of when, not if, that is why I have always carried insurance. Now, more than ever, I am at the age when that "when" could be any day. For the past 30+ years the insurance companies have made a profit off of me, and I'm OK with that, the insurance is peace of mind for me.
 
Premiums didn't increase until the ACA? Is that what your'e implying?

Premiums are going up more than they would have without Obamacare, aka the UKA.
Focusing on higher premiums for individual plans is a mistake because most people will pay much less because of their income or because they have group insurance. Since the plans include additional benefits that vary by income level, they are not comparable to plans before the ACA.

The success of the ACA will be determined by it's effect on the cost healthcare and the improvement in coverage and quality. We won't know that for several years.
 
Premiums didn't increase until the ACA? Is that what your'e implying?

Premiums are going up more than they would have without Obamacare, aka the UKA.
Focusing on higher premiums for individual plans is a mistake because most people will pay much less because of their income or because they have group insurance. Since the plans include additional benefits that vary by income level, they are not comparable to plans before the ACA.

The success of the ACA will be determined by it's effect on the cost healthcare and the improvement in coverage and quality. We won't know that for several years.

They are comparable in the most important way. Obama said family premiums would go down by $2500 per year. Having premiums cover more -- even supposing the premiums and deductibles don't go up -- is not an excuse to break that promise. It is most definitely proper to compare the plans people had before ACA started changing the insurance landscape to plans which are now unaffordable, more expensive, or only slightly more affordable but still prohibitive.

This person's experience counts:

Eric Stein, 43, of Ridgefield Park is a self-employed chef who had been purchasing his own insurance for several years. He paid $292 in premiums and said he was happy with his plan, which came with no deductible. But that plan did not meet the minimum standards, he was told. A comparable plan will cost him $304 per month and that&#8217;s after the $66 subsidy he receives. His copays, he said, went from 0 to $2,500 per month.

"I expect that I&#8217;m more likely to ration my care because of the high deductible, which kind of defeats the reason of having insurance in the first place," he said.
(link)

It doesn't matter if his new plan would now cover extras like hepatitis screenings if he has to forego the kind of healthcare he actually needs because of high costs.
 
Premiums are going up more than they would have without Obamacare, aka the UKA.
Focusing on higher premiums for individual plans is a mistake because most people will pay much less because of their income or because they have group insurance. Since the plans include additional benefits that vary by income level, they are not comparable to plans before the ACA.

The success of the ACA will be determined by it's effect on the cost healthcare and the improvement in coverage and quality. We won't know that for several years.

The are comparable in the most important way. Obama said family premiums would go down by $2500. Having premiums cover more -- even supposing the premiums and deductibles don't go up -- is not an excuse to break that promise. It is most definitely proper to compare the plans people had before ACA started changing the insurance landscape to plans which are now unaffordable, more expensive, or only slightly more affordable but still prohibitive.

This person's experience counts:

Eric Stein, 43, of Ridgefield Park is a self-employed chef who had been purchasing his own insurance for several years. He paid $292 in premiums and said he was happy with his plan, which came with no deductible. But that plan did not meet the minimum standards, he was told. A comparable plan will cost him $304 per month and that’s after the $66 subsidy he receives. His copays, he said, went from 0 to $2,500 per month.

"I expect that I’m more likely to ration my care because of the high deductible, which kind of defeats the reason of having insurance in the first place," he said.
(link)

It doesn't matter if his new plan would now cover extras like hepatitis screenings if he has to forego the kind of healthcare he actually needs because of high costs.
How do you compare the plans when there are no comparable plans? Plans have changed significantly, exclusions, deductibles, yearly out of pocket maximums, and additional benefits.

When has any presidents delivered on everything they have promised? George W. Bush's pledge to not involve the U.S. military in nation building. Franklin Roosevelt's 1940 pledge to keep the United States out of World War II was promptly abandoned. George H. Bush promised no new taxes. Situations change and campaign promises are abandoned.
 

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