How long can republicans keep up the charade?

[PatekPhilippe]

How long do you think congressional republicans can keep up the charade that they might actually support the "right" healthcare reform bill?

It's pretty clear that they don't want any healthcare reform legislation. And I don't criticize them on that since I'm not sure I want it either. But for political reasons they're unwilling to just come right out and say they don't want it. And so they've been keeping this charade going that seems to get more and more transparent with every passing day.

So, how long can they keep it up?

You're wrong on your points. The Republicans are angry with the current health care bill because they were frozen out completely by Reid and Pelosi. They didn't get any special deals like the "Louisianna Purchase", "Corn Husker Kickback" etc. etc.

If you are going to be corrupt like Pelosi and Reid are then at least have the fucking balls to bribe the opposition party as well.

 

[manifold]

The republicans would love health care reform.

They don't want the democrats version because it will fuck up the system much worse than it is now.

Got a crystal ball that allows you to see into the future, huh?

It's called speculation.

If you were at all educated, you might have figured that out on your own.

I blame the public schools.

 

[Oldandtired]

The republicans would love health care reform.

They don't want the democrats version because it will fuck up the system much worse than it is now.

Got a crystal ball that allows you to see into the future, huh?

It's called speculation.

If you were at all educated, you might have figured that out on your own.

I blame the public schools.

Speculation bassed on past experiences such as what happened to Canada, USPS, SS and MediCare.

Like we said about the stimulus....

Didnt anyuone learn from the lost decade of Japan?

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Social Security
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USPS

You dont like to learn from mistakes?

Social Security and the USPS are bad examples to bring up to try to argue against healthcare. Social Security would be fine if Congress could keep their hands off of the money in the Social Security account. Social Security is also easily fixed, provided someone in Congress has the balls to do it.

USPS isn't going down due to mismanagement. In fact, you don't have to go back very far in order to find a USPS which was in the black and probably the most efficient mail delivery service in the world. The USPS is dying because snail mail is quickly dying. We're getting to the point where the USPS is experience double digit losses in mail volume on a yearly basis. The internet is just quickly driving the USPS out of business.

A Federal public option has issues, but Social Security and the USPS aren't good parallels to bring up.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Funniest line of the day.

Republican Senator John Barrasso was just interviewed about the adding of Republican ideas to the bill and he said that a bill this important should get 70 or 80 votes in the Senate.

The supermajority concept goes to hypermajority, to ubermajority.

Anyone who thinks the Republicans are anything BUT the party of NO is as stupid as they are.

 

[FA_Q2]

Social Security
...
USPS

You dont like to learn from mistakes?

Social Security and the USPS are bad examples to bring up to try to argue against healthcare. Social Security would be fine if Congress could keep their hands off of the money in the Social Security account. Social Security is also easily fixed, provided someone in Congress has the balls to do it.

USPS isn't going down due to mismanagement. In fact, you don't have to go back very far in order to find a USPS which was in the black and probably the most efficient mail delivery service in the world. The USPS is dying because snail mail is quickly dying. We're getting to the point where the USPS is experience double digit losses in mail volume on a yearly basis. The internet is just quickly driving the USPS out of business.

A Federal public option has issues, but Social Security and the USPS aren't good parallels to bring up.

They are good examples to be quite frank and they illustrate some core examples of government behavior that could devastate healthcare. Your statement that USPS is dying because people are not mailing is asinine. The internet has INCREASED mail not decreased it. People may send fewer letters than in the past but packages, where the larger sums of money are spent, is increasing from the internet. There is hardly a person around that has not ordered many items from Amazon, eBay and other online retailers. Why is USPS mail volume down by so much? People and business have discovered that other companies are far superior in speed and price than USPS. These companies are capable of delivering mail in far shorter time periods for less cost much of the time and are still able to stay in the black. How is it that the post office is not able to do the same without the need to even make a profit at all and you still claim it is not a management problem?
http://www.upu.int/dmab/en/dmab_news_2005-10_annex-01_en.pdf
This is a summary of USPS’ household mail reports. It basically shows that mail is INCREASING but market share is decreasing. The only real market that USPS is completely dominant in is still the letter class mail and that is not where the largest profits are to be made. I would also point out that UPS and other mail companies make deals with lager entities to reduce the cost for those companies and I am unsure if the post office offers the same services. Simply put, USPS cannot compete with the free market.

SS is an even BETTER example of the problems that occur when you give the government power over a portion of people’s money. It shows the greed and inability of government to properly plan and manage money. They stole from SS for pet projects and what do you think is going to keep them honest with healthcare? Fact is, they won’t be. Placing billions of our dollars into the hands of inept politicians who then get to decide how that money is spent is not the best idea I have heard for healthcare reform.

Back on topic,
The R’s want real healthcare reform. The problem is in the differing views that they have with the D’s. Republicans are still attacking the heart of the issue, cost, with free market concepts and are inherently against more government programs. Democrats don’t trust the free market and simply want everyone covered under an insurance plan. I am not sure where everyone get that the republicans want nothing to pass. They just don’t want to D’s plan to pass for both ideological and political purposes. I do not think an actual compromise can be reached in the macro since the ending points and the roads to get there are so different. In most cases they are not even talking about the same thing (cost vs. coverage). This may be the problem that we have here debating healthcare. I have not seen one good debate here over what we need. As soon as I try it devolves into a shouting match of single payer against cutting costs and these are two very different things. I do believe that real healthcare reform can happen in incremental pieces though. It seems to me that is the only way to get reform through and it pisses me off that our elected cannot seem to get together and at least agree on a few small and simple bills to pass.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

and what the left wing loons aren't saying is this one single fact about the screwed up Democrat health care bill.

The government will begin collecting taxes IMMEDIATELY if this spending scheme becomes law. BUT NO ONE GETS ANY BENEFITS UNTIL 2013!!!!

You dumb fuckers!!!! That's like going to the new car dealership tomorrow...financing a brand new car, making the monthly payments starting on the 15th of March 2010 and NOT PICKING IT UP UNTIL DECEMBER OF 2013.
WHO THE FUCK CAME UP WITH THIS CON!!!!!!!!!!!!! OBAMA!!!!!!!!!

 

[PatekPhilippe]

It's really quite simple for America to figure out. If the healthcare plan currently sitting in the house went into effect, benefits went into effect immediately the result would be a 2.5 trillion dollar yearly budget deficit instead of the current 1.7 trillion dollar projected yearly deficit.

WHEN WILL YOU WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!! YOU'RE BEING CONNED!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Oh yeah...and finally...I must ask this....

The democratic plan does not kick in for 4 years....so instead, why not institute IMMEDIATELYTsome cost saving plans that cost us nothing...and see how that works FIRST?

Liberals don't want to go anywhere near anything that has to do with "cost savings" unless it guts National Defense.

Perhaps true...but why is it that the GOP is being called the "obstructionists" when, in fact, the dems want government control or nothing...and the GOP is the one who presented ideas on how to do what the DEMS say needs to be done....healthcare cost cutting.

I watch the news and I am blown away at how they seem to avoid discussing how one plan the dem plan, will actually INCREASE cost to those that buy on their own and the GOP plan will decrease the cost...and all along the premise of a plan is to cut costs....

Yeah...I know...media bais....but putting that aside.....what the hell are the poeple thinking?

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"At best, public support for the law is mixed and contradictory. A Kaiser Family Foundation survey released last week was typical: A slight plurality had an unfavorable impression of it, but a slight majority opposed efforts to repeal it or replace it with a Republican-backed alternative. It brings to mind an old Woody Allen joke about a restaurant where the food is terrible and the portions are too small.

Americans don’t think they like the Affordable Care Act, but they don’t want to be without it or left with whatever Republicans want to put in its place."

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[Mr. Shaman]

As near as I can tell Pelosi and her posse want to pass something. Anything so they can say, hey we passed healthcare reform. The cost of this hc reform doesn't seem to register with her or Reid.

If this passes it won't kick in for 5 years. We will be paying for something and there will be no benefit for 5 years. If there is a benefit. The cost is going to be much more than what is predicted. Like all Govt programs. The folks that passed it probably won't be around for the blowback. Go figure.

Start blowin'.........

Health Care Reform

Implementation Timeline

 

[Robert]

Wow you really don't get it or the koolaid has been that good, there isn't anyone anywhere that doesn't want some type of HC reform as a nation of aging population everyone understands the problems and cost associated with Health-care.

What we don't want nor will we accept is a government run boondoggle which is about the only thing our government seems capable of others have all ready pointed the abject failures of our government run systems from basic (You cannot screw this Up Postal service) to our Military.

There isn't nation anywhere that has made socialized Health-care a benefit rather then a liability to the population there is some pretty easy to understand reasons for that.

Fix the problems built into our current system and we'll find the problems start going away.

 

[Care4all]

What about those that would/might put a plan in place to phase it out while not cutting contributors that gave or have been giving to it all along?

Now cutting medicaid... I think that could be accomplished... getting people off that who are not wards of the state

Yep lets cut off the medical care to the poorest so we can let the richest keep more money.

Well, Seniors (medicare beneficiaries) have worked the longest, the hardest and paid in the most to the system. They also have greater need of care,, now why would you let them work all their lives and pay into the system and them steal 500 billion dollars of their funds and give that to someone else? I just don't see any compassion from the libruls,, newp,, none at all.

Under the bush rule 2 TRILLION was taken of social security surplus moneys to pay for his tax cuts and doubling of defense spending and his medicare pill bill....

GUESS YOU GOT NOTHING TO SAY on that, huh willow?

that was all honky dory eh?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Why is there such a resistence to opening coverage purchase across state lines? Has anyone heard a good answer? I don't understand why this isn't a quick and easy way to lower costs and improve coverage to more Americans through good ol' fashioned competition.

I dont know, but if insurance was purchased across state lines would you have to go across to receive treatment as well?

 

[kiwiman127]

When they some toothless tort reform included, then they will cave.

Tort reform would only save around 0.5%.

Malpractice: Savings Reconsidered | FactCheck.org

The healthcare costs have increased by well over 125% in the last ten years. Has wages/household income increased that much? Not even close.
Even our Pentagon has felt the effects of the outrageous increase in healthcare.

Health care is eating a hole in the Pentagon budget

Health care costs are eating a hole in the Pentagon budget - Dec. 7, 2010

More and more people are dropping healthcare insurance because they can't afford it. Everyone who has healthcare insurance picks up the tab for the uninsured's healthcare treatment through higher premiums, that's a fact. This scenario is driving up the costs so much employers are increasingly either offering higher deductible plans or no healthcare insurance at all.

New trend in health care: High deductibles

This month, when most workers enroll for another year of health benefits, the number of people who opt for high-deductible plans - or are forced into them by their employers - is expected to rise yet again.

The potential consequences are serious, experts warn. A new study by UCLA's Center for Health Policy Research found that 504,000 out of 3 million Californians with high deductibles held off seeing doctors and specialists and that half cited cost as the primary reason.

"They are more likely to end up in emergency rooms or hospitals because they are delaying more appropriate preventive care," said Dylan Roby, a researcher with the UCLA center, which based its findings on 2007 data, the most recent available.

Read more: New trend in health care: High deductibles



Maybe when some people start feeling the increasing pinch of healthcare with their wallets, they'll come to their senses.
So how can people even think that everything is just fine regarding the US healthcare state of affairs?
Healthcare reform is a must! The Dems/Obama wasn't the answer. The GOP has no answer. And healthcare industry is controlling the debate and would like nothing better than keep the status quo. America can't afford to keep the status quo.

 

[jillian]

Why is there such a resistence to opening coverage purchase across state lines? Has anyone heard a good answer? I don't understand why this isn't a quick and easy way to lower costs and improve coverage to more Americans through good ol' fashioned competition.

The answer is because then all insurance companies will incorporate in the state with the weakest regulations.... like banks do by incorporating in delaware.

Additionally, who are your covered providers when you live in Florida and buy Insurance Maine, Inc.?

Why do you think insurance companies WANT to be able to go across state lines?

 

[sinister59]

How long do you think congressional republicans can keep up the charade that they might actually support the "right" healthcare reform bill?

It's pretty clear that they don't want any healthcare reform legislation. And I don't criticize them on that since I'm not sure I want it either. But for political reasons they're unwilling to just come right out and say they don't want it. And so they've been keeping this charade going that seems to get more and more transparent with every passing day.

So, how long can they keep it up?

I think you are wrong. I truly believe that most people, including myself, would like to see some health care reform. The way we go about it is important. It should be something we can afford to do as a nation. What the government is throwing at us right now is very bad stuff and will destroy the country financially and give too much control to the government. We need to approach Health Care Reform in a different way.

Nixon had a much more expensive health care plane then Oboma , covered a lot more , but a dem Kennedy would not endorsed it and killed it because it made the repigs look good , thats what they are doing now to this bill .

the repigs got in bed with teabaggers thinking they could control them and use them , are they in for a surprise .

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

How long do you think congressional republicans can keep up the charade that they might actually support the "right" healthcare reform bill?

It's pretty clear that they don't want any healthcare reform legislation. And I don't criticize them on that since I'm not sure I want it either. But for political reasons they're unwilling to just come right out and say they don't want it. And so they've been keeping this charade going that seems to get more and more transparent with every passing day.

So, how long can they keep it up?

Until it comes down to the single issue of tort reform,then they will be against it forever. Same thing on the other side.

 

[ClosedCaption]

How long do you think congressional republicans can keep up the charade that they might actually support the "right" healthcare reform bill?

It's pretty clear that they don't want any healthcare reform legislation. And I don't criticize them on that since I'm not sure I want it either. But for political reasons they're unwilling to just come right out and say they don't want it. And so they've been keeping this charade going that seems to get more and more transparent with every passing day.

So, how long can they keep it up?

Until it comes down to the single issue of tort reform,then they will be against it forever. Same thing on the other side.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...licans-keep-up-the-charade-5.html#post3449998

 

[Cal]

How long do you think congressional republicans can keep up the charade that they might actually support the "right" healthcare reform bill?

It's pretty clear that they don't want any healthcare reform legislation. And I don't criticize them on that since I'm not sure I want it either. But for political reasons they're unwilling to just come right out and say they don't want it. And so they've been keeping this charade going that seems to get more and more transparent with every passing day.

So, how long can they keep it up?

I'm pretty sure the American people now realize that the only "reform" that Republicans want to see in the insurance industry, is more deregulation.

My question is, when will Republican introduce a bill to cut that government run health care program that they take part in? We have to be fair here.. If we're gonna repeal some 'death panels', we may as well repeal them all.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Why is there such a resistence to opening coverage purchase across state lines? Has anyone heard a good answer? I don't understand why this isn't a quick and easy way to lower costs and improve coverage to more Americans through good ol' fashioned competition.

I dont know, but if insurance was purchased across state lines would you have to go across to receive treatment as well?

Ask Nancy!!​

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