CDZ How Does Sanders Plan to Pay for Free College Education?

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    This is a radical idea and one which makes me wonder about how deeply opponent of Social Security have thought through their proposals. Allowing the federal government to play the stock market would, of course, expose beneficiaries to the sort of risks the program was intended to avoid. Even more strange is the fact that having such a multi-billion dollar player in the market every day would result in situation in which the federal government swiftly became the major stock holder in a very large number of publicly held corporations. Such a a development would take the USA far, far beyond the democratic socialism advocated by Sen. Sanders and practiced in Scandinavian countries. We would have an economy structured like North Korea's. Good thinking, guys![/QUOTE]

    I made a bundle in the stock market but do not want my SS retirement tied up in the stock market. The stock market is prone to violent swings both up and down and risky is nom de plume.
     
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    Some observations:
    • First and foremost, I applaud Mr. Sanders for having the integrity to say he doesn't know that which he doesn't know. I wish more folks would do that when it's the case that they don't know something. Far too many folks say "stuff" when they don't know what they are talking about, be it on minor or major points. One knows what one knows, and one knows when one doesn't know "whatever." That is what it is, and it is for everyone on various and multiple occasions. There's not inherently something wrong with not knowing. There is something very wrong with talking about things and uttering words that my be just outright factually wrong or ignorant to have uttered.
    • Frankly, were Trump to have been clear about not knowing "whatever" instead of making the ignorant and wrong remarks he has throughout his candidacy, I'd be a Trump supporter right now. I wanted to support him when a couple years back I heard the rumblings of his considering a run for the White House. I was quite optimistic about it, and I thought sure he'd run his campaign the way the execs I know with integrity run their companies and interact with one another and other business associates. He did not; he has yet to do so.
    • I'm well aware that any President will have access to scores of experts on any given matter and that s/he will solicit the input of such folks and from experts standing on both sides of an issue. A President must; one can't rebut a well framed counterargument if one hasn't learned well both sides of the matter.
    • Federal Reserve: Aside from attorneys who are well versed on the limits and regulations pertaining to Federal Reserve Bank authority, who would know the answer to the question Mr. Sanders was asked? I know I don't know the answer, and it's not something I once knew and forgot. LOL I bet not one of the current Presidential candidates does either.
    • Look at the things Mr. Sanders didn't know. Nearly every one of them pertained to and requires a very detailed understanding of the laws -- U.S., foreign, and/or international -- and domestic policies of multiple nations. Those were not high-level topics and questions that can be smartly answered with just a general understanding of the matters discussed. (I didn't read the one about the subway.) Could the man have had a view/specific answer? Yes, but why offer a poorly considered answer with regard to such issues? That's what children do, not what intelligent and intellectually responsible adults do.

      I will say, however, if Mr. Sanders was given the questions in far enough in advance, there's no reason he should not and could not have done the research to answer them comprehensively.
    • Foreign relations and the military: Mr. Sanders sits on the these Senate committees:
      • Ranking Member, Senate Committee on the Budget.
      • Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. ...
      • Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works. ...
      • Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. ...
      • Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs
    I cannot imagine as such that he's had direct access to the information he'd need to intelligently have a strong position on those topics. In contrast, Mrs. Clinton has been Sec. of State. On foreign policy and use of military resources issues, she's going to be far better informed than any of her competitors.​

    Sure, lots of folks have opinions about things. Responsible problem solvers don't "just go with their gut opinion." They bother to fully understand something before they run off "half cocked" making pronouncements they'll later need to retract.
     
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    There must be at least a trillion dollars wasted every year supporting the militarism cancer consuming the US body politic -- not to mention the money the CIA and similar agencies spend to turn us into spied upon slaves.

    Surely a little of the money given to these vampires could be spent on a few things which would be positive for the American people? Much poorer countries than the USA have been providing free higher education to their people for many years.
     
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    Why not compromise a little, where some mild means testing can make it possible to just level the playing field a wee bit at first. Poorer students with limited incomes who have the ambition get free or almost free tuition after taking "ability to benefit" tests.
    If they have the grades, the chops and the willingness to do the work, give em the opportunity.
    My UCLA tuition in 1981 and 1982 was couch change, we've done this before, we can still do it now.

    Oh, hello Numan ;)
     
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