How does one propose a tax cut that is unpopular?

[sealybobo]

How does one propose a tax cut that is unpopular?

You don't.
But when the media lies, nonstop, saying the tax cut will raise middle class taxes, people believed them.

When you know this tax gift to millionaires means eventual cuts to Medicare, you don’t want it. Social security cuts too dummies

Medicare isn't taking in enough Medicare tax revenues? Raise the rate.

What does raise the rate mean?

 

[Natural Citizen]

The point is the media lying, saying it's a hike for the middle class when it's actually a cut for the middle class.

Bull puckey. The real point is (and should only be) that the government is lying by purposefully understating the effects of inflation through adoption of chained CPI into their bill.

What's worse is that right-wing statists like you, who think you're conservative when you're actually not, pass the government lie around with your little government graphs. To your credit, you likely have no idea what you're actually doing by passing around those bogus graphs and figures that purposely understate that hidden tax.

Any gains are illusionary because of that. As a consequence, Americans in the middle class will eventually be put into a higher tax bracket while the little remaining spending power with that 4 cent dollar they have continues to drop further and further and further into the deep, dark, abyss.

Toddster, you're as mainstream as any mainstream media outlet. So spare us.

The left that are liking your posts, I am curious. Do you think they know what they are liking?

I will tell you there are a whole lot of things I don't like about this tax bill. Then again my problem is there are not enough tax cuts. At least not for me.

Are you saying you think there ought to be more tax cuts? Pretty sure you are and I know the left wingers that "like" your posts dont want that.

That is funny to me.

I said that your gains are distortion. They are illusionary gains. And they are. I explained precisely why they are illusionary. I said that people will be moved into a higher tax bracket. And they will. I explained why. And I said that your spending power will continue to decrease after people are placed into that higher tax bracket. And again I explained why.

Please don't narrate my postings. Thanks!

 

[sealybobo]

How does one propose a tax cut that is unpopular?

You don't.
But when the media lies, nonstop, saying the tax cut will raise middle class taxes, people believed them.

How do you propose tax cuts that are unpopular? You lie. Then you do it despite the consequences and hope you don't pay at the polls. And even if the Dems take back the Senate there isn't much they can do about it. We need to out Trump in 2020 but first take back the senate and house in 2018.

 

[Theowl32]

The point is the media lying, saying it's a hike for the middle class when it's actually a cut for the middle class.

Bull puckey. The real point is (and should only be) that the government is lying by purposefully understating the effects of inflation through adoption of chained CPI into their bill.

What's worse is that right-wing statists like you, who think you're conservative when you're actually not, pass the government lie around with your little government graphs. To your credit, you likely have no idea what you're actually doing by passing around those bogus graphs and figures that purposely understate that hidden tax.

Any gains are illusionary because of that. As a consequence, Americans in the middle class will eventually be put into a higher tax bracket while the little remaining spending power with that 4 cent dollar they have continues to drop further and further and further into the deep, dark, abyss.

Toddster, you're as mainstream as any mainstream media outlet. So spare us.

The left that are liking your posts, I am curious. Do you think they know what they are liking?

I will tell you there are a whole lot of things I don't like about this tax bill. Then again my problem is there are not enough tax cuts. At least not for me.

Are you saying you think there ought to be more tax cuts? Pretty sure you are and I know the left wingers that "like" your posts dont want that.

That is funny to me.

I said that your gains are distortion. They are illusionary gains. And they are. I explained precisely why they are illusionary. I said that people will be moved into a higher tax bracket. And they will. I explained why. And I said that your spending power will continue to decrease after people are placed into that higher tax bracket. And again I explained why.

Please don't narrate my postings. Thanks!

I didn't narrate shit you fucking arrogant piece of shit. I asked you a simple fucking question and you really did not answer the fucking question, did you shitstain?

I asked if you are saying you want more gains. Your posts got likes from the fucking morons who are ALWAYS against tax deductions "for the rich."

From what I gather from your shit is you are disappointed that you are not getting a bigger tax relief. If people are not getting a bigger tax relief, then why don't you explain to me exactly what the fucking left are complaining about since they are so against tax relief?

Fucking narrate your post? You are a fucking asshat. Now, clarify what the fuck you want rather than telling all of us how smart you are.

From where I sit, you are a typical hypocritical know it all piece of shit.

Now, answer the fucking question. What the fuck would you personally rather have?

 

[jc456]

President Reagan and Congressional Republicans discovered that broad tax cuts may appeal to working-class voters even if richer constituents reap most of the rewards. The key GOP move was to keep tax-cut promises sweepingly general. If voters are given a choice between tax cuts and spending on specific programs, they choose to maintain or increase spending. When they are given a choice between tax cuts and lower deficit levels, they choose lower deficits. It's a different matter, however, if no one mentions the need to cut specific programs or the possibility of higher deficits. In that case, voters assume that tax cuts will be paid for by cuts in “government waste.” This is the centerpiece of the Republican tax cut strategy. 1980s Republicans had few moral qualms about promising tax cuts without mentioning the specific programs that might have to be cut. They saw this approach as the strategic analogue to years of Democratic promises to increase spending without detailing how to pay for new or expanded programs.

Republicans could also take advantage of the general unpopularity of major kinds of U.S. taxes. In contrast to many other advanced industrial democracies, the United States relies heavily on highly visible taxes – property taxes at the local level and the income tax at the national level. As middle-class market incomes stagnated during the economic crisis, reductions in highly visible taxes became a popular way to boost family budgets.

Republican fealty to tax-cut politics was set in cement soon after Reagan left office. In his first term, successor Republican President George H. W. Bush wanted to address rising deficits and broke a pledge never to raise taxes. This was not so different from what Reagan himself did when he accepted tax increases in 1982. But when Bush was not reelected, modern-day Republicans drew an iron-clad lesson: tax cuts are the road to electoral success and tax increases spell defeat at the polls. Republicans also began to realize that deficits could be financed with foreign capital, and that voters did not punish politicians for big deficits. Their strategy became unshakable.

With that past as the prologue to current GOP tax cut bill, what does the GOP manage to do? Pen and pass a tax cut that most Americans don't want!

Seriously!?! Just what kind of f*ck-up must one be to propose tax cuts and not be able to convince a majority of the polity that the tax cut is good enough for them to support it? Of all the things legislators and government executives might do, cutting taxes has traditionally been the most popular thing available to choose from their "basket of goodies."

• A few weeks back: The GOP Tax Cuts Are Even More Unpopular Than Past Tax Hikes
  
• Six days ago: Poll: Majority oppose GOP tax bill
• Four hours ago: Republican Tax Bill Has Grown More Unpopular, Poll Shows

I'm sorry, but how "bat sh*t stupid" must Congressional Republicans be to (1) craft an unpopular tax cut and (2) not materially change it so that it is popular?

​

Might it be unpopular because it's been billed as something it's not, say as "the biggest tax cut in history?"

• The Biggest Tax Cut in History? Not Even Close

That probably has something to do with it though it's also quite likely that voters know that at their peril will they trust in a damn thing the GOP, and Trump in particular, says.

who has done that?

 

[Natural Citizen]

I didn't narrate shit you fucking arrogant piece of shit. I asked you a simple fucking question and you really did not answer the fucking question, did you shitstain?

I asked if you are saying you want more gains. Your posts got likes from the fucking morons who are ALWAYS against tax deductions "for the rich."

From what I gather from your shit is you are disappointed that you are not getting a bigger tax relief. If people are not getting a bigger tax relief, then why don't you explain to me exactly what the fucking left are complaining about since they are so against tax relief?

Fucking narrate your post? You are a fucking asshat. Now, clarify what the fuck you want rather than telling all of us how smart you are.

From where I sit, you are a typical hypocritical know it all piece of shit.

Now, answer the fucking question. What the fuck would you personally rather have?

You have a potty mouth.

 

[sealybobo]

The point is the media lying, saying it's a hike for the middle class when it's actually a cut for the middle class.

Bull puckey. The real point is (and should only be) that the government is lying by purposefully understating the effects of inflation through adoption of chained CPI into their bill.

What's worse is that right-wing statists like you, who think you're conservative when you're actually not, pass the government lie around with your little government graphs. To your credit, you likely have no idea what you're actually doing by passing around those bogus graphs and figures that purposely understate that hidden tax.

Any gains are illusionary because of that. As a consequence, Americans in the middle class will eventually be put into a higher tax bracket while the little remaining spending power with that 4 cent dollar they have continues to drop further and further and further into the deep, dark, abyss.

Toddster, you're as mainstream as any mainstream media outlet. So spare us.

The left that are liking your posts, I am curious. Do you think they know what they are liking?

I will tell you there are a whole lot of things I don't like about this tax bill. Then again my problem is there are not enough tax cuts. At least not for me.

Are you saying you think there ought to be more tax cuts? Pretty sure you are and I know the left wingers that "like" your posts dont want that.

That is funny to me.

I said that your gains are distortion. They are illusionary gains. And they are. I explained precisely why they are illusionary. I said that people will be moved into a higher tax bracket. And they will. I explained why. And I said that your spending power will continue to decrease after people are placed into that higher tax bracket. And again I explained why.

Please don't narrate my postings. Thanks!

I didn't narrate shit you fucking arrogant piece of shit. I asked you a simple fucking question and you really did not answer the fucking question, did you shitstain?

I asked if you are saying you want more gains. Your posts got likes from the fucking morons who are ALWAYS against tax deductions "for the rich."

From what I gather from your shit is you are disappointed that you are not getting a bigger tax relief. If people are not getting a bigger tax relief, then why don't you explain to me exactly what the fucking left are complaining about since they are so against tax relief?

Fucking narrate your post? You are a fucking asshat. Now, clarify what the fuck you want rather than telling all of us how smart you are.

From where I sit, you are a typical hypocritical know it all piece of shit.

Now, answer the fucking question. What the fuck would you personally rather have?

I'd rather see this:

Instead of $100K break to the rich and $2400 to us, I'd rather see $50K break to them and $3000 to us. That would be a middle class tax break.

Plus I want to see it work. Republicans say their tax breaks won't add to the deficit. We know that's a lie but lets see if it does or doesn't. Paul Ryan said it's going to spark so much growth that it won't add to the deficit.

Don't worry about us crying about the tax bill you just signed. Worry more about us bitching when it doesn't work and adds to our problems. Like when they cut medicare and social security because "we're broke". If we are broke don't give the tax break.

 

[Theowl32]

I didn't narrate shit you fucking arrogant piece of shit. I asked you a simple fucking question and you really did not answer the fucking question, did you shitstain?

I asked if you are saying you want more gains. Your posts got likes from the fucking morons who are ALWAYS against tax deductions "for the rich."

From what I gather from your shit is you are disappointed that you are not getting a bigger tax relief. If people are not getting a bigger tax relief, then why don't you explain to me exactly what the fucking left are complaining about since they are so against tax relief?

Fucking narrate your post? You are a fucking asshat. Now, clarify what the fuck you want rather than telling all of us how smart you are.

From where I sit, you are a typical hypocritical know it all piece of shit.

Now, answer the fucking question. What the fuck would you personally rather have?

You have a potty mouth.

Yeah?

 

[sealybobo]

How does one propose a tax cut that is unpopular?

You don't.
But when the media lies, nonstop, saying the tax cut will raise middle class taxes, people believed them.

CHARTS: See How Much Of GOP Tax Cuts Will Go To The Middle Class

The numbers look bleaker a decade out for most American households. To help ensure their bill met the budget limits Republicans had set for themselves, lawmakers set many individual income tax changes to sunset after 2025 (however, they made cuts to corporate tax rates permanent).

As a result, the Tax Policy Center predicts that in 2027, the average tax cut would amount to $160, or just a 0.2 percent income bump.

This would mean a tiny tax bump for many lower- and middle-class households — the average $50,000 to $75,000 — earning household would have a tax bill that is $30 higher than today. The average household earning more than $1 million would get a cut of more than $23,000.

Look at them widening the gap between the rich and poor.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I saw two partisans engaging in standard partisan hyperbole, and I called THAT out.
.

You "saw" what you wanted to see, rather than me mocking the 87 card carrying commie lie which YOU gave a pass to.

Yep....you figger all Politifact has to do is say it's a lie and you swallow it hook, line, and sinker. Communists in Congress? Just count ’em

WND EXCLUSIVE
Communists in Congress? Just count 'em
Book names names, details strategies to 'transform' U.S.
Published: 08/18/2013 at 7:20 PM

Jerome R. Corsi About | Email | Archive

NEW YORK – New Zealander Trevor Loudon has just published an encyclopedic new 689-page volume, “The Enemies Within: Communists, Socialists and Progressives in the U.S. Congress,” to accompany his 668-page 2011 book, “Barack Obama and the Enemies Within.”

In both volumes, Loudon has proved himself to be among the foremost experts in the world investigating and reporting the penetration of communists, socialists and the current group of “progressives” affiliated with Democratic Party politics who portray themselves as liberals.

In his 2011 book, Loudon presented documented evidence that Barack Obama’s rise in politics was not an accident, but a conscious, decade-long effort by the radical left to promote a candidate with African roots. Obama, he said, was packaged as an engaging and seemingly harmless Trojan Horse radical, sent to Chicago to refine his skills running for office as a Democratic Party politician.

It is impossible to read “Barack Obama and the Enemies Within” without being convinced that Obama’s education in communist ideology stretches from the extracurricular education he received from Communist Party mentor Frank Marshall Davis in Honolulu to his recruitment as a New Party candidate in Chicago, with strong ties to the Democratic Socialists of America.

Loudon continues naming names in his current volume, “The Enemies Within,” which documents how extensively communists, socialists and progressives have penetrated the U.S. Congress, running on the Democratic Party ticket.

The goal of these radicals in Congress, Loudon demonstrates, is the same goal Obama announced when running for president in 2008, to transform the United States from the constitutional republic established by its Founding Fathers into a radical socialist state. The aim is to be achieved through passing extensive social welfare legislation designed to bankrupt a government adhering to concepts of private property and private enterprise.

In an insightful essay on the Democratic Socialists of America, Loudon emphasizes the impact on U.S. radicals of the late Italian Communist Party theoretician Antonio Gramsci, whose writings from prison declared that the “working class revolution” is a dead end, arguing instead that communism can best be achieved “by infiltrating civil society – political parties, churches, labor unions, universities, the media, community groups, etc., to turn them into revolutionary vehicles.”

Similarly, Loudon documents how the Communist Party of the USA itself has adopted a stealth plan to achieve revolutionary goals by decisions made in the 1970s to infiltrate and manipulate the Democratic Party. The plan is to form alliances with the radical elements in organized labor in conjunction with radicals in the African-American community and the feminist movement to establish a progressive coalition on the left that could dominate the national political agenda for decades to come.

His essay on the Institute for Policy Studies provides extensive evidence that the IPS, operating today with the distinction of being oldest – founded in 1963 – and most influential of the far left “think tanks” in Washington, D.C., “works closely with several U.S. Marxist groups, but is particularly close to the Democratic Socialists of America.”


The congressional profiles of current members of Congress provides extensive evidence of radical leftist ties in the backgrounds of top Democratic Party legislators, including Democratic Party Sens. Barbara Boxer, Dick Durbin, Tom Harkin, Barbara Mikulski, Elizabeth Warren, Ed Markey, Debbie Stabenow, Al Franken, Sherrod Brown, Ron Wyden, Jeff Merkley, Patty Murray and Tammy Baldwin.

In the House of Representatives, Loudon profiles the radical left background of Democratic Party Reps. Nancy Pelosi, Louis Gutierrez, John Conyers, Charles Rangel, Marcy Kaptur, Peter DeFazio, Sheila Jackson Lee, Jim McDermott and dozens more.

Loudon’s profiles of the radical lawmakers is extensively footnoted, complete with photos, news clips, website screen captures and quotations from published sources that leave no doubt as to the authenticity and accuracy of his allegations.

In documenting the success with which the radical left has captured the politically correct core of Democratic Party politics since the 1970s and the end of the Vietnam War, Loudon joins bestselling author Paul Kengor, who published in 2010 “Dupes: How America’s Adversaries Have Manipulated Conservatives for a Century,” followed in 2012 by “The Communist: Frank Marshall Davis, The Untold Story of Barack Obama’s Mentor.”

What authors Loudon and Kengor show is that communism in America did not die with the fall of the Berlin Wall. It is alive and well, with ties that run deep today with Barack Obama in the White House and the radical leftist Democrats serving in the halls of Congress.

Loudon will be in Washington, D.C., at the National Press Club Aug. 20 to participate in the all day conference “The Crisis in American Journalism and the Conservative Response,” hosted by the public policy group America’s Survival Inc.

Joining Loudon, who is listed on the program to speak about his book “The Enemies Within,” will be Kengor, presenting his new book, “All the Dupes Fit to Print: Journalists Who Have Served as Tools of Communist Propaganda.”​

Corsi, need I say more. Isn't he the liar who was fixing to name, within the week many years ago, of the forger of Obama's BC?

Yep....he tells the truth so he's a liar.

Gotcha.

Like you, Corsi NEVER tells the truth.

He was right about that Swift Boat phony......

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How does one propose a tax cut that is unpopular?

You don't.
But when the media lies, nonstop, saying the tax cut will raise middle class taxes, people believed them.

When you know this tax gift to millionaires means eventual cuts to Medicare, you don’t want it. Social security cuts too dummies

Medicare isn't taking in enough Medicare tax revenues? Raise the rate.

What does raise the rate mean?

The portion of the payroll tax that is supposed to fund Medicare.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The point is the media lying, saying it's a hike for the middle class when it's actually a cut for the middle class.

Bull puckey. The real point is (and should only be) that the government is lying by purposefully understating the effects of inflation through adoption of chained CPI into their bill.

What's worse is that right-wing statists like you, who think you're conservative when you're actually not, pass the government lie around with your little government graphs. To your credit, you likely have no idea what you're actually doing by passing around those bogus graphs and figures that purposely understate that hidden tax.

Any gains are illusionary because of that. As a consequence, Americans in the middle class will eventually be put into a higher tax bracket while the little remaining spending power with that 4 cent dollar they have continues to drop further and further and further into the deep, dark, abyss.

Toddster, you're as mainstream as any mainstream media outlet. So spare us.

The left that are liking your posts, I am curious. Do you think they know what they are liking?

I will tell you there are a whole lot of things I don't like about this tax bill. Then again my problem is there are not enough tax cuts. At least not for me.

Are you saying you think there ought to be more tax cuts? Pretty sure you are and I know the left wingers that "like" your posts dont want that.

That is funny to me.

I said that your gains are distortion. They are illusionary gains. And they are. I explained precisely why they are illusionary. I said that people will be moved into a higher tax bracket. And they will. I explained why. And I said that your spending power will continue to decrease after people are placed into that higher tax bracket. And again I explained why.

Please don't narrate my postings. Thanks!

I explained precisely why they are illusionary. I said that people will be moved into a higher tax bracket.

How long will that take to cancel out the changes in the brackets just passed?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The same way one proposes a healthcare bill that is unpopular they just do it.

How unpopular?

Post it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The point is the media lying, saying it's a hike for the middle class when it's actually a cut for the middle class.

Bull puckey. The real point is (and should only be) that the government is lying by purposefully understating the effects of inflation through adoption of chained CPI into their bill.

What's worse is that right-wing statists like you, who think you're conservative when you're actually not, pass the government lie around with your little government graphs. To your credit, you likely have no idea what you're actually doing by passing around those bogus graphs and figures that purposely understate that hidden tax.

Any gains are illusionary because of that. As a consequence, Americans in the middle class will eventually be put into a higher tax bracket while the little remaining spending power with that 4 cent dollar they have continues to drop further and further and further into the deep, dark, abyss.

Toddster, you're as mainstream as any mainstream media outlet. So spare us.

The left that are liking your posts, I am curious. Do you think they know what they are liking?

I will tell you there are a whole lot of things I don't like about this tax bill. Then again my problem is there are not enough tax cuts. At least not for me.

Are you saying you think there ought to be more tax cuts? Pretty sure you are and I know the left wingers that "like" your posts dont want that.

That is funny to me.

I said that your gains are distortion. They are illusionary gains. And they are. I explained precisely why they are illusionary. I said that people will be moved into a higher tax bracket. And they will. I explained why. And I said that your spending power will continue to decrease after people are placed into that higher tax bracket. And again I explained why.

Please don't narrate my postings. Thanks!

I didn't narrate shit you fucking arrogant piece of shit. I asked you a simple fucking question and you really did not answer the fucking question, did you shitstain?

I asked if you are saying you want more gains. Your posts got likes from the fucking morons who are ALWAYS against tax deductions "for the rich."

From what I gather from your shit is you are disappointed that you are not getting a bigger tax relief. If people are not getting a bigger tax relief, then why don't you explain to me exactly what the fucking left are complaining about since they are so against tax relief?

Fucking narrate your post? You are a fucking asshat. Now, clarify what the fuck you want rather than telling all of us how smart you are.

From where I sit, you are a typical hypocritical know it all piece of shit.

Now, answer the fucking question. What the fuck would you personally rather have?

I'd rather see this:

Instead of $100K break to the rich and $2400 to us, I'd rather see $50K break to them and $3000 to us. That would be a middle class tax break.

Plus I want to see it work. Republicans say their tax breaks won't add to the deficit. We know that's a lie but lets see if it does or doesn't. Paul Ryan said it's going to spark so much growth that it won't add to the deficit.

Don't worry about us crying about the tax bill you just signed. Worry more about us bitching when it doesn't work and adds to our problems. Like when they cut medicare and social security because "we're broke". If we are broke don't give the tax break.

Instead of $100K break to the rich and $2400 to us, I'd rather see $50K break to them and $3000 to us. That would be a middle class tax break.

What income range is middle class?

 

[sealybobo]

Bull puckey. The real point is (and should only be) that the government is lying by purposefully understating the effects of inflation through adoption of chained CPI into their bill.

What's worse is that right-wing statists like you, who think you're conservative when you're actually not, pass the government lie around with your little government graphs. To your credit, you likely have no idea what you're actually doing by passing around those bogus graphs and figures that purposely understate that hidden tax.

Any gains are illusionary because of that. As a consequence, Americans in the middle class will eventually be put into a higher tax bracket while the little remaining spending power with that 4 cent dollar they have continues to drop further and further and further into the deep, dark, abyss.

Toddster, you're as mainstream as any mainstream media outlet. So spare us.

The left that are liking your posts, I am curious. Do you think they know what they are liking?

I will tell you there are a whole lot of things I don't like about this tax bill. Then again my problem is there are not enough tax cuts. At least not for me.

Are you saying you think there ought to be more tax cuts? Pretty sure you are and I know the left wingers that "like" your posts dont want that.

That is funny to me.

I said that your gains are distortion. They are illusionary gains. And they are. I explained precisely why they are illusionary. I said that people will be moved into a higher tax bracket. And they will. I explained why. And I said that your spending power will continue to decrease after people are placed into that higher tax bracket. And again I explained why.

Please don't narrate my postings. Thanks!

I didn't narrate shit you fucking arrogant piece of shit. I asked you a simple fucking question and you really did not answer the fucking question, did you shitstain?

I asked if you are saying you want more gains. Your posts got likes from the fucking morons who are ALWAYS against tax deductions "for the rich."

From what I gather from your shit is you are disappointed that you are not getting a bigger tax relief. If people are not getting a bigger tax relief, then why don't you explain to me exactly what the fucking left are complaining about since they are so against tax relief?

Fucking narrate your post? You are a fucking asshat. Now, clarify what the fuck you want rather than telling all of us how smart you are.

From where I sit, you are a typical hypocritical know it all piece of shit.

Now, answer the fucking question. What the fuck would you personally rather have?

I'd rather see this:

Instead of $100K break to the rich and $2400 to us, I'd rather see $50K break to them and $3000 to us. That would be a middle class tax break.

Plus I want to see it work. Republicans say their tax breaks won't add to the deficit. We know that's a lie but lets see if it does or doesn't. Paul Ryan said it's going to spark so much growth that it won't add to the deficit.

Don't worry about us crying about the tax bill you just signed. Worry more about us bitching when it doesn't work and adds to our problems. Like when they cut medicare and social security because "we're broke". If we are broke don't give the tax break.

Instead of $100K break to the rich and $2400 to us, I'd rather see $50K break to them and $3000 to us. That would be a middle class tax break.

What income range is middle class?

You tell me. I don't even care actually. Go ahead and pass your tax break. I see Democrats taking back control of all three houses in the future.

No matter what the rich will make this country go bankrupt when they are ready to do that again. Just like the 2007 great recession. So go ahead and give all these tax breaks and drive up the debt and even kill social security and medicare. The American "middle class" deserves you and everything you are going to do to them. Just like they deserved the recession Bush gave us. How long did that take Obama to get us out of that recession? Well we clearly didn't appreciate what he did because we repeated the same mistake.

Clinton did good, we didn't elect Gore and Bush caused the Great recession.

Obama did good we didn't elect Clinton now the next great recession is on you guys. Don't you dare try to blame Obama or Barney Frank or Freddy Mack.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How does one propose a tax cut that is unpopular?

You don't.
But when the media lies, nonstop, saying the tax cut will raise middle class taxes, people believed them.

CHARTS: See How Much Of GOP Tax Cuts Will Go To The Middle Class

The numbers look bleaker a decade out for most American households. To help ensure their bill met the budget limits Republicans had set for themselves, lawmakers set many individual income tax changes to sunset after 2025 (however, they made cuts to corporate tax rates permanent).

As a result, the Tax Policy Center predicts that in 2027, the average tax cut would amount to $160, or just a 0.2 percent income bump.

This would mean a tiny tax bump for many lower- and middle-class households — the average $50,000 to $75,000 — earning household would have a tax bill that is $30 higher than today. The average household earning more than $1 million would get a cut of more than $23,000.

Look at them widening the gap between the rich and poor.

Thanks for the link. And for proving the media was lying about the bill hiking taxes on the middle class.

As a result, the Tax Policy Center predicts that in 2027,

ZZZ.......sorry, I fell asleep after 2027. DERP!

 

[sealybobo]

How does one propose a tax cut that is unpopular?

You don't.
But when the media lies, nonstop, saying the tax cut will raise middle class taxes, people believed them.

CHARTS: See How Much Of GOP Tax Cuts Will Go To The Middle Class

The numbers look bleaker a decade out for most American households. To help ensure their bill met the budget limits Republicans had set for themselves, lawmakers set many individual income tax changes to sunset after 2025 (however, they made cuts to corporate tax rates permanent).

As a result, the Tax Policy Center predicts that in 2027, the average tax cut would amount to $160, or just a 0.2 percent income bump.

This would mean a tiny tax bump for many lower- and middle-class households — the average $50,000 to $75,000 — earning household would have a tax bill that is $30 higher than today. The average household earning more than $1 million would get a cut of more than $23,000.

Look at them widening the gap between the rich and poor.

Thanks for the link. And for proving the media was lying about the bill hiking taxes on the middle class.

View attachment 167049

As a result, the Tax Policy Center predicts that in 2027,

ZZZ.......sorry, I fell asleep after 2027. DERP!

It's going to phase out for you boy. So the rich and corporations will keep getting their breaks but your breaks will expire. And you don't care? Sucker.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I posted this in another thread since the GOp adopted chaied CPI into the bill.

What Republicans really like about the chained CPI is that it tends to show a lower inflation rate than the alternative, typically by 0.3 percentage point a year. The difference pencils out to significant dollars: Changing the inflation index immediately would raise about $125 billion over the next decade and nearly $500 billion in the decade after that, according to the Tax Policy Center.

Most of that money would come out of the pockets of middle- and working-class taxpayers. Most important, it would slow inflation adjustments to tax brackets. This would hurt those taxpayers because more of them would move into higher tax brackets purely because of inflation in their wages. High-income taxpayers who already pay the top tax rate wouldn’t be affected the same way.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-chained-cpi-tax-bill-20171121-story.html

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The left that are liking your posts, I am curious. Do you think they know what they are liking?

I will tell you there are a whole lot of things I don't like about this tax bill. Then again my problem is there are not enough tax cuts. At least not for me.

Are you saying you think there ought to be more tax cuts? Pretty sure you are and I know the left wingers that "like" your posts dont want that.

That is funny to me.

I said that your gains are distortion. They are illusionary gains. And they are. I explained precisely why they are illusionary. I said that people will be moved into a higher tax bracket. And they will. I explained why. And I said that your spending power will continue to decrease after people are placed into that higher tax bracket. And again I explained why.

Please don't narrate my postings. Thanks!

I didn't narrate shit you fucking arrogant piece of shit. I asked you a simple fucking question and you really did not answer the fucking question, did you shitstain?

I asked if you are saying you want more gains. Your posts got likes from the fucking morons who are ALWAYS against tax deductions "for the rich."

From what I gather from your shit is you are disappointed that you are not getting a bigger tax relief. If people are not getting a bigger tax relief, then why don't you explain to me exactly what the fucking left are complaining about since they are so against tax relief?

Fucking narrate your post? You are a fucking asshat. Now, clarify what the fuck you want rather than telling all of us how smart you are.

From where I sit, you are a typical hypocritical know it all piece of shit.

Now, answer the fucking question. What the fuck would you personally rather have?

I'd rather see this:

Instead of $100K break to the rich and $2400 to us, I'd rather see $50K break to them and $3000 to us. That would be a middle class tax break.

Plus I want to see it work. Republicans say their tax breaks won't add to the deficit. We know that's a lie but lets see if it does or doesn't. Paul Ryan said it's going to spark so much growth that it won't add to the deficit.

Don't worry about us crying about the tax bill you just signed. Worry more about us bitching when it doesn't work and adds to our problems. Like when they cut medicare and social security because "we're broke". If we are broke don't give the tax break.

Instead of $100K break to the rich and $2400 to us, I'd rather see $50K break to them and $3000 to us. That would be a middle class tax break.

What income range is middle class?

You tell me. I don't even care actually. Go ahead and pass your tax break. I see Democrats taking back control of all three houses in the future.

No matter what the rich will make this country go bankrupt when they are ready to do that again. Just like the 2007 great recession. So go ahead and give all these tax breaks and drive up the debt and even kill social security and medicare. The American "middle class" deserves you and everything you are going to do to them. Just like they deserved the recession Bush gave us. How long did that take Obama to get us out of that recession? Well we clearly didn't appreciate what he did because we repeated the same mistake.

Clinton did good, we didn't elect Gore and Bush caused the Great recession.

Obama did good we didn't elect Clinton now the next great recession is on you guys. Don't you dare try to blame Obama or Barney Frank or Freddy Mack.

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Leadership: Whatever happens, you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible.

Go ahead and pass your tax break.

How large is the tax break that the Dems wanted to give me?

The American "middle class" deserves you and everything you are going to do to them.

I know, tax breaks.....we're doomed!

How long did that take Obama to get us out of that recession?

The recession ended in June 2009.
What do you feel Obama did that magically worked by June?

 

[Natural Citizen]

blah blah blah blah blah

Do you understand what this chart means?