How do they have shootings in Britain with their wonderful gun control laws. Oh...that's right, gun control for people who don't use guns for crime

[2aguy]

Gun control in Britain....magical thinking in action.........

The difference between their drug gangs and ours.......our drug gangs shoot to kill and use cars...their drug gangs tend to shoot to wound and they use two guys on a moped.......

The Woodchurch Estate in Birkenhead has been the subject of a year of crime and anti-social behaviour, including multiple shootings. At the beginning of this month a man in his 20s was shot on Orrets Meadow Road in the leg by a man riding what witnesses said was a moped.

Police have now launched a crackdown on a drug-dealing organisation believed to be operating in the estate, which is regularly classed by police gang experts among the "top three" threats to public safety in Merseyside. They believe the various shootings that have taken place in the estate this year have been related to the activities of this drug gang.
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He added: "Because there has been the firearms discharges on the estate now, that's set understandable fear amongst the community. It is that thing really, whereby the community know who are dealing the drugs, and they're aware that these attacks are targeted, and they're aware of the people involved in it.

People 'scared' on estate blighted by crime and drug gang

Police have now been given increased powers in parts of the estate

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Criminals in Britain....becoming bolder and more violent.....

In the U.S.....our crime didn't start to go up until the mid 1960s......when the Great Society destroyed poor families in democrat party controlled cities.....Europe didn't have this issue because their culture was still shocked by the effects of World War 2.....they are now out of that shock and their welfare state policies, and anti-police culture is starting to allow criminals to run free......they are at the point we were at around the mid 60s.......

 

[Donald H]

How does Britain compare per capita on mass shootings?

The answer to that question will serve to answer the question asked in this title.

And is should serve to answer the question for all countries.

 

[alang1216]

How does Britain compare per capita on mass shootings?

The answer to that question will serve to answer the question asked in this title.

And is should serve to answer the question for all countries.

The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

 

[Donald H]

The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

That at least hints at the answer to 2Aguy's question!

His socalled 'gun control laws' should be considered to at least be a factor.

I know that Canada's laws against handguns and assault style weapons is a factor in Canada.

Another factor to consider for America's hugely out of proportion problem could be a culture of wars that encourages violence, and turns the good guys with guns into mass shooters with guns.

 

[alang1216]

Another factor to consider for America's hugely out of proportion problem could be a culture of wars that encourages violence, and turns the good guys with guns into mass shooters with guns.

We have a gun culture that offers easy access to guns.
We have a political culture that tells us we are victims of vast conspiracies (QANON, BLM, Antifa, Deep State, Jewish controls, etc.) that must be fought.
We have broken families that make for lonely and alienated youth.
We have a media culture that idolized the famous or the infamous.

Put all those together and you get the potential for disaster.

 

[Donald H]

We have a gun culture that offers easy access to guns.
We have a political culture that tells us we are victims of vast conspiracies (QANON, BLM, Antifa, Deep State, Jewish controls, etc.) that must be fought.
We have broken families that make for lonely and alienated youth.
We have a media culture that idolized the famous or the infamous.

Put all those together and you get the potential for disaster.

Yes, but do you believe that any one of those reasons for the problem of murder by gun in America is more significant than the culture of violence that is created by continuous wars?

For example, the easy access to guns, could be qualified by type of guns that are meant for killing people. Those type of guns are easily obrained by people who can't be branded as bad guys at the time when they choose the gun. But who can doubt that a person buying a handgun isn't buying it to go hunting game?

When this particulal OP begins a discussion and then abandons it, we can at least take it as him losing the commitment and heart to defend his intended point. That's an improvement over the usual mudslinging on gun violence related topics!

How do they have shootings in Britain with their wonderful gun control laws.​

Where is his answer?

 

[2aguy]

The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

And, of course, the gun crime rate and violent crime rates are going up in Britain....just because British criminals who are naturally British were less violent in the past means nothing to the new immigrants who now control the drug trade in Britain....

 

[2aguy]

We have a gun culture that offers easy access to guns.
We have a political culture that tells us we are victims of vast conspiracies (QANON, BLM, Antifa, Deep State, Jewish controls, etc.) that must be fought.
We have broken families that make for lonely and alienated youth.
We have a media culture that idolized the famous or the infamous.

Put all those together and you get the potential for disaster.

No......almost all of our gun violence is a direct result of the policies of the democrat party...starting with their destruction of the nuclear family in the cities they control, to their destruction of local police forces, and then releasing the most violent, dangerous criminals over and over again...

Those are the reason we have gun crime and violence...not because John and Jane Q. citizen own and carry guns for self defense.

 

[2aguy]

The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

Violent crime is going up in Britain now........the criminals there no longer fear the police or respect the British culture...a culture that inculcated a respect, to an embarrassing degree, of their superiors.....The immigrants controlling the drug trade don't care about the cops or British customs and traditions....

Violent crimes in England and Wales 2023 | Statista

Violent crimes in England and Wales increased to more than 2.11 million offences in 2022/23, according to police recorded crime statistics, a huge increase of more than 1.5 million when compared with 2012/13, when there were just 601,141 violent crime offences.

www.statista.com

 

[bodecea]

Gun control in Britain....magical thinking in action.........

The difference between their drug gangs and ours.......our drug gangs shoot to kill and use cars...their drug gangs tend to shoot to wound and they use two guys on a moped.......

The Woodchurch Estate in Birkenhead has been the subject of a year of crime and anti-social behaviour, including multiple shootings. At the beginning of this month a man in his 20s was shot on Orrets Meadow Road in the leg by a man riding what witnesses said was a moped.

Police have now launched a crackdown on a drug-dealing organisation believed to be operating in the estate, which is regularly classed by police gang experts among the "top three" threats to public safety in Merseyside. They believe the various shootings that have taken place in the estate this year have been related to the activities of this drug gang.
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He added: "Because there has been the firearms discharges on the estate now, that's set understandable fear amongst the community. It is that thing really, whereby the community know who are dealing the drugs, and they're aware that these attacks are targeted, and they're aware of the people involved in it.

People 'scared' on estate blighted by crime and drug gang

Police have now been given increased powers in parts of the estate

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Criminals in Britain....becoming bolder and more violent.....

In the U.S.....our crime didn't start to go up until the mid 1960s......when the Great Society destroyed poor families in democrat party controlled cities.....Europe didn't have this issue because their culture was still shocked by the effects of World War 2.....they are now out of that shock and their welfare state policies, and anti-police culture is starting to allow criminals to run free......they are at the point we were at around the mid 60s.......

Do they have as many as in the U.S.?

 

[Donald H]

No......almost all of our gun violence is a direct result of the policies of the democrat party...starting with their destruction of the nuclear family in the cities they control, to their destruction of local police forces, and then releasing the most violent, dangerous criminals over and over again...

Those are the reason we have gun crime and violence...not because John and Jane Q. citizen own and carry guns for self defense.

How do they have shootings in Britain with their wonderful gun control laws.​

The statistical evidence isn't being debated here. The only explanation you are offering is that the democratic party is responsible.

That's a satisfactory example for political purposes, but it flies in the face of the fact that the other countries being compared are releasing far, far more prisoners on account of socially responsible emphasis on rehabilitation.

Would that still not be applicable to America, and then result in the gun violence becoming even worse than it already is?

Is the answer in just increasing the rate of incarceration?

 

[Donald H]

Violent crime is going up in Britain now........the criminals there no longer fear the police or respect the British culture...a culture that inculcated a respect, to an embarrassing degree, of their superiors.....The immigrants controlling the drug trade don't care about the cops or British customs and traditions....

Violent crimes in England and Wales 2023 | Statista

Violent crimes in England and Wales increased to more than 2.11 million offences in 2022/23, according to police recorded crime statistics, a huge increase of more than 1.5 million when compared with 2012/13, when there were just 601,141 violent crime offences.

www.statista.com

You need to understand that making comparisons to other countries is always going to be you shooting your own foot off!

Maybe some day in the future some other country will catch up?

 

[2aguy]

Do they have as many as in the U.S.?

No.......their criminals don't commit murder the way American criminals do...yet. They are getting there, but they are behind the U.S. since they suffered culture shock from World War 2....and they had a long history of kow towing to authority that we didn't have here.

It is funny that you guys think that criminals never change, that asking your dumb question is a way to dismiss the growing violence in Britain.........

Our gun crime rate has gone down, not up........while millions and millions of Americans own and carry guns......while their crime rates are going up, after they banned and confiscated guns....

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.


What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

I am curious....

How do you explain the fact that American gun murders are lower now than they were in 1974, even as we now have over 600 million guns in private hands, and over 22 million Americans who can carry guns in public for self defense....?

 

[2aguy]

You need to understand that making comparisons to other countries is always going to be you shooting your own foot off!

Maybe some day in the future some other country will catch up?

No, it doesn't.....it reveals how you guys lack an understanding of human nature and human history....

Which country had more murder, Europe or the U.S.? Europe.

In just 6 years, between 1939-1945 Europeans murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children...after you banned and confiscated guns.

In the entire 246 year history of the United States, with all of our gun murder.....we average around 2,460,000 gun murders......and those victims aren't the innocent, they are criminals murdered by other criminals.....

That you can see those numbers and not understand them is just amazing.........

 

[Donald H]

No, it doesn't.....it reveals how you guys lack an understanding of human nature and human history....

Which country had more murder, Europe or the U.S.? Europe.

In just 6 years, between 1939-1945 Europeans murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children...after you banned and confiscated guns.

In the years between 1945 and the present, it's estimated that America has killed 30,000,000 people in it's 40 wars of aggression.

But lets not get off the topic of domestic murdering by gun in America and the possible reasons why it's so out of proportion to the rest of the world.

I find your suggestion that it's on account of the democratic party because their emphasis is on socially acceptable treatment of the incarcerated, and that is consistent to policy of countries that are experienceing the least slaughter with guns on their domestic scene. Can you explain?

 

[alang1216]

Yes, but do you believe that any one of those reasons for the problem of murder by gun in America is more significant than the culture of violence that is created by continuous wars?

As you say, there have been always been wars but mass shootings seem to be a recent thing.

 

[alang1216]

And, of course, the gun crime rate and violent crime rates are going up in Britain....just because British criminals who are naturally British were less violent in the past means nothing to the new immigrants who now control the drug trade in Britain....

Get back when the British numbers equal the US numbers.

 

[Donald H]

No, it doesn't.....it reveals how you guys lack an understanding of human nature and human history....

Which country had more murder, Europe or the U.S.? Europe.

In just 6 years, between 1939-1945 Europeans murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children...after you banned and confiscated guns.

In the entire 246 year history of the United States, with all of our gun murder.....we average around 2,460,000 gun murders......and those victims aren't the innocent, they are criminals murdered by other criminals.....

That you can see those numbers and not understand them is just amazing.........

Please try to stay on the topic you've created.

How do they have shootings in Britain with their wonderful gun control laws.​

We're going to have to take the statistical evidence into consideration first, then perhaps we can move on to finding some answers.

I'm willing to consider your idea of the democrats being responsible. But you're going to have to at least acknowledge that the left's emphasis on rehabilitation has produced the results we're aiming at achieving for America.

 

[alang1216]

No......almost all of our gun violence is a direct result of the policies of the democrat party...starting with their destruction of the nuclear family in the cities they control, to their destruction of local police forces, and then releasing the most violent, dangerous criminals over and over again...

Those are the reason we have gun crime and violence...not because John and Jane Q. citizen own and carry guns for self defense.

So before that there was no gun violence? What did the Untouchables do with all their free time?

 

[alang1216]

Violent crime is going up in Britain now........the criminals there no longer fear the police or respect the British culture...a culture that inculcated a respect, to an embarrassing degree, of their superiors.....The immigrants controlling the drug trade don't care about the cops or British customs and traditions....

I believe we still have more of everything on a per capita basis.