How did Birth Control become a right?

[Meathead]

i bet insurance will still pay 60 bucks for a viagria pill

Its a war on women, by the white GOP men.

No, it's a war on parasites. Do you think all women are parasites?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Actually you're wrong. The first thing was that the right keeps trying to prevent things like abortion, and the left is playing the partisan game.

Many people think they can simply do things with no consequences, like preventing Obama from appointing a Supreme Court justice. But then when it comes back to bite them on the ass because the Democrats fight back just as dirty, people on the right start whinging and moaning that it isn't right, it isn't fair.

Don't you get it? As long as this partisan politics bullshit happens, THE GAME is more important than YOU.

So how did we get bit in the ass by blocking DumBama's appointment? Seems to me like we won that battle.

Let's see. The courts blocking Trump's travel ban, the courts saying this and that and you keep on whinging about it.

But yeah, battles, winning, that's all it's about, isn't it? Fuck making the country a better place for everyone.

Yeah, they blocked Trumps travel ban, and now it's in effect. Who won that battle?

They tried to block Gorsuch, and who won that battle in the end? As I understand it, Trump is loading the lower courts with nearly 200 conservative judges. Who won that battle?

Well, the battle wasn't necessarily about the travel ban, was it. The battle was to make Trump look like he's not very good at being President. And they got the media to roll it out for months that Trump was failing.

He's failing at getting rid of Obamacare, he's failing at so many things. What has Trump actually succeeded in doing that actually has any substance at all? Nothing.

We'll take the baby steps any day over Socialism/ Communism. Because even if we lose the House, Senate or Trump gets beat (or decides not to run for reelection) at least we will have reasonable judges stopping so-called progressivism.

Trump added 25 additional deportation courts and has plans on adding another 25. Illegal crossing into the country are at an all time low. He reversed some of DumBama's idiotic measures like forcing schools to accept weirdos in dresses going into our daughters bathroom and showers. There are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that your precious MSM doesn't want to tell you about.

The economy is doing great, fuel is still very reasonable in spite of the hurricane in Texas knocking out some oil platforms, and the stock market has never been better.

The last sentence you've written is hilarious. As if Trump's done all of that.

But yes, you're more interested in "winning" than actually finding out the best way of having the country work. You'll pretend your way is the best way by ignoring reality.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Actually you're wrong. The first thing was that the right keeps trying to prevent things like abortion, and the left is playing the partisan game.

Many people think they can simply do things with no consequences, like preventing Obama from appointing a Supreme Court justice. But then when it comes back to bite them on the ass because the Democrats fight back just as dirty, people on the right start whinging and moaning that it isn't right, it isn't fair.

Don't you get it? As long as this partisan politics bullshit happens, THE GAME is more important than YOU.

So how did we get bit in the ass by blocking DumBama's appointment? Seems to me like we won that battle.

Let's see. The courts blocking Trump's travel ban, the courts saying this and that and you keep on whinging about it.

But yeah, battles, winning, that's all it's about, isn't it? Fuck making the country a better place for everyone.

Yeah, they blocked Trumps travel ban, and now it's in effect. Who won that battle?

They tried to block Gorsuch, and who won that battle in the end? As I understand it, Trump is loading the lower courts with nearly 200 conservative judges. Who won that battle?

Well, the battle wasn't necessarily about the travel ban, was it. The battle was to make Trump look like he's not very good at being President. And they got the media to roll it out for months that Trump was failing.

He's failing at getting rid of Obamacare, he's failing at so many things. What has Trump actually succeeded in doing that actually has any substance at all? Nothing.

He is killing the ACA one step at a time, took away funding for chip, if you like your Medicare, that is next.

Basically he's more interested in winning than in the lives of the people of the USA. Just like most politicians then. They wanted someone different, they simply got a politician with less ability.

 

[Yousaidwhat]

The gov did that is who. Sure beats having abortions. I don't want to pay for prostate checks but we do.

when they wrote the constitution , we had single shot muzzle loaders, who said everyone should carry a semi auto pistol.

Want to go back to the writing of the constitution , lets do it.

We can go back to the writings of the Constitution.

Throw your computer away.

Turn off your internet service.

Find some parchment, a quill and ink.

Write us a letter and mail it to us, delivered by horseman.

Wait patiently for our reply.

Yes that is what the GOP wants. To put us back in the dark ages. I'd be more than willing to go back to the 60's but I doubt the people born after that could survive, without their phone and computer. How do you think we did it? Party lines, no remotes.

The constitution is obsolete.

The Constitution is far from obsolete.

Contact your Representative and have it changed/modified.

Until then it is...

How do you say?

The law of the land.

Sound familiar?

 

[rightwinger]

Is Birth Control a right? No it is not

Is it wise public policy? Yes it is

 

[BlackSand]

The gov did that is who. Sure beats having abortions. I don't want to pay for prostate checks but we do.

when they wrote the constitution , we had single shot muzzle loaders, who said everyone should carry a semi auto pistol.

Want to go back to the writing of the constitution , lets do it.

The Constitution doesn't tell people what the government will let people do ... It tells the people what the government is allowed to do.

Making employers pay for birth control ...
What size pistol you have ...
90% of the garbage you would like to give the government power to do that the Constitution doesn't grant ...

You are the one trying to rewrite the Constitution ...

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[hadit]

The gov did that is who. Sure beats having abortions. I don't want to pay for prostate checks but we do.

when they wrote the constitution , we had single shot muzzle loaders, who said everyone should carry a semi auto pistol.

Want to go back to the writing of the constitution , lets do it.

The Constitution doesn't tell people what the government will let people do ... It tells the people what the government is allowed to do.

Making employers pay for birth control ...
What size pistol you have ...
90% of the garbage you would like to give the government power to do that the Constitution doesn't grant ...

You are the one trying to rewrite the Constitution ...

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And they never account for the reality that, once government has that power, it's going to be used by someone who disagrees with them. Then they get all upset.

A case in point. Some screech that Trump is Hitler. Some of the same also screech that the government should have all the guns. What is wrong with this picture?


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[danielpalos]

The Trump administration is rolling back the Obama-era requirement that employer-provided health insurance policies cover birth control methods at no cost to women.

According to senior officials with the Department of Health and Human Services, the goal of the new rule is to allow any company or nonprofit group to exclude the coverage for contraception if it has a religious or moral objection.

The change fulfills a promise President Trump made in May to the Catholic religious order The Little Sisters of the Poor in a ceremony in the White House Rose Garden. The nuns had sued the Obama administration over the birth control requirement.

It also sets up a fight between advocates of religious freedom and those of equal rights for women. The American Civil Liberties Union sued the Trump Administration within hours of the rule being published, claiming it violated the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause, which ensures that all people receive equal protection under the law.

Longer-acting contraception, like an intrauterine device, can cost more than $1,000, says Sarah Lipton-Lubet, a vice president at the National Partnership for Women and Families. She says the new rule is a tool for discrimination against women.

"Women shouldn't be denied access to basic health care based on their employers' religious beliefs," she says. "We all have the right to our religious beliefs. But the way that this rule treats religion is really an excuse to discriminate."

In addition to the ACLU, Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey, and California Attorney General Javier Becerra announced they too plan to file suit opposing the new rule.

Trump Guts Requirement That Employer Health Plans Pay For Birth Control

Maybe some of you leftists can help me out here. How in the world can you say not forcing employers to provide birth control is a violation of equal protection? What's not equal about it? And how is not paying for it "denying access" to birth control? Is there some law that states you can't buy birth control for yourself, and that only your employer can buy it for you?

Who here believes that when the founders wrote the Constitution, that they had forcing employers to provide things for their employees in mind?

When the right wing started complaining about abortion.

 

[JoeB131]

A case in point. Some screech that Trump is Hitler. Some of the same also screech that the government should have all the guns. What is wrong with this picture?

It isn't what you are portraying it as.

Hey, guess what, in Nazi Germany, regular folks had SHITLOADS of guns. If you weren't a Jew, you could have all the fucking guns you wanted.

Guns don't stop dictators. Because the dictators have tanks and bombers and lots more guys with guns.

So the argument that we need to have Crazy Steve up there with his bumpstock shooting into a crowd because that might save us from a dictator some day is sort of retarded.

 

[Penelope]

The gov did that is who. Sure beats having abortions. I don't want to pay for prostate checks but we do.

when they wrote the constitution , we had single shot muzzle loaders, who said everyone should carry a semi auto pistol.

Want to go back to the writing of the constitution , lets do it.

The Constitution doesn't tell people what the government will let people do ... It tells the people what the government is allowed to do.

Making employers pay for birth control ...
What size pistol you have ...
90% of the garbage you would like to give the government power to do that the Constitution doesn't grant ...

You are the one trying to rewrite the Constitution ...

.

The constitution does not give the gov the right to allow everyone to carry a semi auto pistol either.
Employees pay their share for health ins. I hope all companies that enforce this law loose employees and they will. How about ins. paying for Viagra, oh that's ok it men and they need to get a hard on.

How many times have gun laws been rewrote, every time the SCOTUS makes a they rewrite the constitution, just too bad there are ultra conservatives on it that want to put us back in the stone age, except for their guns.

 

[jc456]

By passing legislation in the liberal media that's how. Its called propaganda, can't muster the support of the American people, can't get actual laws passed, then use propaganda in the schools and media to faux pass it.

I get that. What I don't get is how anybody can file a lawsuit over it. Employers provide (or should be allowed to provide) whatever benefits they desire. No government should force any industry to provide anything but a safe workplace and reasonable demands of an employee.

What's even more disturbing is that some liberal court will actually rule employees have the right to free birth control by their employers.

Who gave the white men in the house, (the GOP) the right to decide when human life begins?

huh? we know when life begins. when a woman's egg is fertilized by a man's sperm and a baby is made. It's rather simple and taught in our schools. you should perhaps go take that class. The GOP didn't invent shit.

 

[JoeB131]

huh? we know when life begins. when a woman's egg is fertilized by a man's sperm and a baby is made. It's rather simple and taught in our schools. you should perhaps go take that class. The GOP didn't invent shit.

I agree, they didn't.

They also have no business telling a woman she should be pregnant when she doesn't want to be pregnant.

So if you guys are really serious about Spooge being "life', then you'd better advocate locking women up if they have abortions.

 

[jc456]

huh? we know when life begins. when a woman's egg is fertilized by a man's sperm and a baby is made. It's rather simple and taught in our schools. you should perhaps go take that class. The GOP didn't invent shit.

I agree, they didn't.

They also have no business telling a woman she should be pregnant when she doesn't want to be pregnant.

So if you guys are really serious about Spooge being "life', then you'd better advocate locking women up if they have abortions.

well being pregnant implies life right? So, the real interesting thing to do if one doesn't want to be pregnant is not to go around screwing men. That is the only way to avoid that predicament. Again, women egg, men sperm. When the sperm enters an egg guess what happens?

 

[hadit]

A case in point. Some screech that Trump is Hitler. Some of the same also screech that the government should have all the guns. What is wrong with this picture?

It isn't what you are portraying it as.

Hey, guess what, in Nazi Germany, regular folks had SHITLOADS of guns. If you weren't a Jew, you could have all the fucking guns you wanted.

Guns don't stop dictators. Because the dictators have tanks and bombers and lots more guys with guns.

So the argument that we need to have Crazy Steve up there with his bumpstock shooting into a crowd because that might save us from a dictator some day is sort of retarded.

The Jews were the ones who needed the guns. I thought that was obvious.


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[Penelope]

By passing legislation in the liberal media that's how. Its called propaganda, can't muster the support of the American people, can't get actual laws passed, then use propaganda in the schools and media to faux pass it.

I get that. What I don't get is how anybody can file a lawsuit over it. Employers provide (or should be allowed to provide) whatever benefits they desire. No government should force any industry to provide anything but a safe workplace and reasonable demands of an employee.

What's even more disturbing is that some liberal court will actually rule employees have the right to free birth control by their employers.

Who gave the white men in the house, (the GOP) the right to decide when human life begins?

huh? we know when life begins. when a woman's egg is fertilized by a man's sperm and a baby is made. It's rather simple and taught in our schools. you should perhaps go take that class. The GOP didn't invent shit.

They invented when life is viable , and they are wrong.

 

[Penelope]

huh? we know when life begins. when a woman's egg is fertilized by a man's sperm and a baby is made. It's rather simple and taught in our schools. you should perhaps go take that class. The GOP didn't invent shit.

I agree, they didn't.

They also have no business telling a woman she should be pregnant when she doesn't want to be pregnant.

So if you guys are really serious about Spooge being "life', then you'd better advocate locking women up if they have abortions.

well being pregnant implies life right? So, the real interesting thing to do if one doesn't want to be pregnant is not to go around screwing men. That is the only way to avoid that predicament. Again, women egg, men sperm. When the sperm enters an egg guess what happens?

Wonder why so many only have 2 kids, did the men get vasectomies or was the women on the pill? You dope. Maybe they only had sex twice.

 

[Penelope]

Mike Pence had 3 kids, means he only had sex 3 times with wife.
Trump and Melania one child means they only had sex once.
Laura Ingraham adopted 3 kids , never had sex.

 

[BlackSand]

The constitution does not give the gov the right to allow everyone to carry a semi auto pistol either.

The Constitution doesn't say the people cannot carry a semi-automatic pistol ... You are just pulling that out of thin air.

The Constitution does state that the people's right to bear arms, shall not be infringed.
That doesn't mean you get to decide how to infringe upon the people's right in any way.

You are the person attempting to make the Constitution mean something it doesn't state ... And you don't have the authority to do so.

Employees pay their share for health ins. I hope all companies that enforce this law loose employees and they will. How about ins. paying for Viagra, oh that's ok it men and they need to get a hard on.

The Constitution doesn't say anything about healthcare anywhere in it ... It doesn't give the federal government the authority to tell businesses what they have to provide.

You are the person attempting to make the Constitution mean something it doesn't state ... And you don't have the authority to do so.

How many times have gun laws been rewrote, every time the SCOTUS makes a they rewrite the constitution, just too bad there are ultra conservatives on it that want to put us back in the stone age, except for their guns.

The Supreme Court doesn't write the Constitution ... Only Congress can write Constitutional Amendments.

There is a means by which to change the Constitution if needs be ... And it requires ratification by the States and the people.
You cannot pretend to represent the people (other than yourself) and change what the Constitution means.
Nor can you grant more than the18 enumerated powers the Constitution gives the federal government just because you want to ... Unless we change the Constitution.

You are the person attempting to make the Constitution mean something it doesn't state ... And you don't have the authority to do so.

.

 

[Penelope]

The constitution does not give the gov the right to allow everyone to carry a semi auto pistol either.

The Constitution doesn't say the people cannot carry a semi-automatic pistol ... You are just pulling that out of thin air.

The Constitution does state that the people's right to bear arms, shall not be infringed.
That doesn't mean you get to decide how to infringe upon the people's right in any way.

You are the person attempting to make the Constitution mean something it doesn't state ... And you don't have the authority to do so.

Employees pay their share for health ins. I hope all companies that enforce this law loose employees and they will. How about ins. paying for Viagra, oh that's ok it men and they need to get a hard on.

The Constitution doesn't say anything about healthcare anywhere in it ... It doesn't give the federal government the authority to tell businesses what they have to provide.

You are the person attempting to make the Constitution mean something it doesn't state ... And you don't have the authority to do so.

How many times have gun laws been rewrote, every time the SCOTUS makes a they rewrite the constitution, just too bad there are ultra conservatives on it that want to put us back in the stone age, except for their guns.

The Supreme Court doesn't write the Constitution ... Only Congress can write Constitutional Amendments.

There is a means by which to change the Constitution if needs be ... And it requires ratification by the States and the people.
You cannot pretend to represent the people (other than yourself) and change what the Constitution means.
Nor can you grant more than the18 enumerated powers the Constitution gives the federal government just because you want to ... Unless we change the Constitution.

You are the person attempting to make the Constitution mean something it doesn't state ... And you don't have the authority to do so.

.

The constitution is obsolete, the 2nd amendment and the EC, they are no longer relevant.

 

[BlackSand]

The constitution is obsolete, the 2nd amendment and the EC, they are no longer relevant.

That's fine ... Congress and the people have the ability to change the Constitution.

I am just saying I really don't care what you think about it ... And you cannot say that it means something it doesn't state.
You also don't have the authority to grant the federal government powers it doesn't have.

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