JimBowie1958
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Maybe she just needs a man to make it for her then?IT IS THE HARDEST DECISION A WOMAN EVER MAKES IN HER LIFE.
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Maybe she just needs a man to make it for her then?IT IS THE HARDEST DECISION A WOMAN EVER MAKES IN HER LIFE.
uhhh....no.Maybe she just needs a man to make it for her then?IT IS THE HARDEST DECISION A WOMAN EVER MAKES IN HER LIFE.
Lol...where is abortion protected in the constitution?Unconstitutional and will be struck down. Cons just have a real animosity to the Constitution. They prefer everyone follow their rules.
Surprising.If a baby is viable at 20 weeks, I have no problem with it.
You realize, I hope, that Europe also has few, if any of the obstacles to early abortion that we do? Morning after pill is available over the counter as is birth control. Much lower rates of teen pregnancies. Effective contraceptive education.In most of western civilized world, the abortion is not performed after 12 weeks, with few exceptions.
Europe's abortion rules
So lefties, don't you want to be like Europe?
You realize, I hope, that Europe also has few, if any of the obstacles to early abortion that we do? Morning after pill is available over the counter as is birth control. Much lower rates of teen pregnancies. Effective contraceptive education.In most of western civilized world, the abortion is not performed after 12 weeks, with few exceptions.
Europe's abortion rules
So lefties, don't you want to be like Europe?
So..righties..why can't we be more like Europe?
If some are not allowed to speak on an issue, how do we come to consensus? How do we learn to respect each others point of view if we accept the idea that some points of view are inherently unjustifiable simply because of who they are?Don't you dare speak for others just because you faced the same decision and made a different choice. Don't assume another choice was any easier.
How do we learn to respect each others point of view if we accept the idea that some points of view are inherently unjustifiable simply because of who they are?
It is not an easy decision nor an easy process.
Don't you dare speak for others just because you faced the same decision and made a different choice. Don't assume another choice was any easier.
I disagree...choosing to have the baby,I'm not saying she can't speak...I'm saying she has no right to speak for others who may have made a different choice and claim it is somehow EASY.
You know what? It isn't.
But everyone who opposes it seems to think it is. IT IS THE HARDEST DECISION A WOMAN EVER MAKES IN HER LIFE.
What they are saying is no LEGAL abortion after 20 weeks.Even though I'm pro choice, I'm generally against late term abortions. However, there are cases where a women continuing with a pregnancy is life threatening. So will those women be expememt from this or are they going to be forced to die?
Women do not get late term abortions because they changed their mind. It's almost always because the mother's life is in danger or the child is serverly deformed or some other life threatening condition.
I don't like this one bit. Now they are saying no abortion past 20 weeks. What's going to be next time? 10 weeks and then no abortion at all?
It's not that I don't comprehend what you wrote. It's that you don't comprehend any reality or normative perspective other than the one having your approbation. The veracity of my assertion is shown in your own response to the assertion that abortion is not the easy way out:Wow....you're good with the "talking points." I give you that. You've got moral relativism down pat too.You ever had one?It isn't? I have no idea what makes you think it's notAbortion isnt an easy way out. I have no idea what makes you think that.It isn't? I have no idea what makes you think it's notYou asked me that question, based on the assumption,You ever had one?
I'm presuming, abortion is an easy way out,
because I haven't walked a mile in those shoes.
Right?
I mean, after all, unless you've walked a mile
in someone else's shoes, you don't really know...
Sure, it's easy for someone to pass judgment
but, unless you've been in that situation, you don't know
abortion
abusive relationships
addiction
gambling
pornography
mental illness
disabilities
illegal immigrants
depression
Well, my statement was not presumptuous,
it comes from walking a mile in those shoes.
It comes from my own unwanted pregnancy
and not wanting the responsibility of my choices,....
just an easy way out of the consequences.
So, yes, been there, done that darling
It's easy to choose abortion
when you buy into the propaganda
that it's just a blob, it's not a baby,
it's my body, my choice....
but, when you allow God and Jesus
into your heart and into your life,
it's not a decision that is easy to forgive yourself for
The overwhelming majority of unwanted pregnancies
are the result of irresponsibility and promiscuity
The overwhelming majority of abortions
are the result of selfishness, being an easy way out!
Life begins at conception
Maybe your unwanted pregnancy was the result of "irresponsibility and promiscuity." Maybe it wasn't. Either way, insofar as you couldn't bring yourself to have an abortion, I would have thought you'd be very aware of how hard a choice it is to make, because it was clearly an option that was too difficult for you to choose it. Why could not is beside the point. The fact remains you hadn't the fortitude to choose it.It wasMaybe your unwanted pregnancy was the result of "irresponsibility and promiscuity." Maybe it wasn't.
OMG...obviously you are unable toEither way, insofar as you couldn't bring yourself to have an abortion, I would have thought you'd be very aware of how hard a choice it is to make, because it was clearly an option that was too difficult for you to choose it. Why could not is beside the point. The fact remains you hadn't the fortitude to choose it.
comprehend what I wrote!
The fact of the matter is that regardless of how much and in what ways you describe how you see abortion as being an easy way out, they are all just your ways of seeing the matter as the so-called "easy way out," and as such demonstrate no comprehension of how the decision to have an abortion is not an "easy way out."It isn't? I have no idea what makes you think it's not
I wrote that you're good with the "talking points" because I saw the key one in your post.
The fact is there is no propaganda that declares the fetus in a woman's uterus is a "blob," but I say that because I've never seen anything saying a a fetus is a "blob." By all means, however, if you've seen pro-choice literature describing a fetus as a "blob," please do share; however, absent your doing so, one must accept the factual truth that what is in a woman's uterus is a fetus, not a baby. When it's born, it'll be a baby, but until then, it's a fetus, which is neither "blob" nor baby.It's easy to choose abortion when you buy into the propaganda that it's just a blob, it's not a baby, it's my body, my choice....
And despite what you may think, everyone is well aware that a fetus has the potential to be a baby, but until a fetus becomes a baby, it is property not person. If a given mother or pair of parents cares to increase the status of their own fetus to that of baby, that's a personal normative action on their part.
As for what's "easy" and not about abortion and its aftermath, a given economic/financial position of the mother/would-be parents who chose to abort a pregnancy may be easier to attain or maintain than had she/they not done so. Is the decision to abort the pregnancy an easy one? No. Is the emotional "baggage" that accompanies having aborted the pregnancy easy to bear? I doubt it.
No darling, you did not comprehend what I wrote,It's not that I don't comprehend what you wrote. It's that you don't comprehend any reality or normative perspective other than the one having your approbation. The veracity of my assertion is shown in your own response to the assertion that abortion is not the easy way out:
I had an abortion, so don't tell me I don't comprehendThe fact of the matter is that regardless of how much and in what ways you describe how you see abortion as being an easy way out, they are all just your ways of seeing the matter as the so-called "easy way out," and as such demonstrate no comprehension of how the decision to have an abortion is not an "easy way out."
Why would pro choice literature describe a fetus as a blob?The fact is there is no propaganda that declares the fetus in a woman's uterus is a "blob," but I say that because I've never seen anything saying a a fetus is a "blob." By all means, however, if you've seen pro-choice literature describing a fetus as a "blob," please do share;
Here's a factual truth, shit for brains...however, absent your doing so, one must accept the factual truth that what is in a woman's uterus is a fetus, not a baby. When it's born, it'll be a baby, but until then, it's a fetus, which is neither "blob" nor baby.
It's not that I don't comprehend what you wrote. It's that you don't comprehend any reality or normative perspective other than the one having your approbation. The veracity of my assertion is shown in your own response to the assertion that abortion is not the easy way out:Wow....you're good with the "talking points." I give you that. You've got moral relativism down pat too.You ever had one?Abortion isnt an easy way out. I have no idea what makes you think that.It isn't? I have no idea what makes you think it's notYou asked me that question, based on the assumption,You ever had one?
I'm presuming, abortion is an easy way out,
because I haven't walked a mile in those shoes.
Right?
I mean, after all, unless you've walked a mile
in someone else's shoes, you don't really know...
Sure, it's easy for someone to pass judgment
but, unless you've been in that situation, you don't know
abortion
abusive relationships
addiction
gambling
pornography
mental illness
disabilities
illegal immigrants
depression
Well, my statement was not presumptuous,
it comes from walking a mile in those shoes.
It comes from my own unwanted pregnancy
and not wanting the responsibility of my choices,....
just an easy way out of the consequences.
So, yes, been there, done that darling
It's easy to choose abortion
when you buy into the propaganda
that it's just a blob, it's not a baby,
it's my body, my choice....
but, when you allow God and Jesus
into your heart and into your life,
it's not a decision that is easy to forgive yourself for
The overwhelming majority of unwanted pregnancies
are the result of irresponsibility and promiscuity
The overwhelming majority of abortions
are the result of selfishness, being an easy way out!
Life begins at conception
Maybe your unwanted pregnancy was the result of "irresponsibility and promiscuity." Maybe it wasn't. Either way, insofar as you couldn't bring yourself to have an abortion, I would have thought you'd be very aware of how hard a choice it is to make, because it was clearly an option that was too difficult for you to choose it. Why could not is beside the point. The fact remains you hadn't the fortitude to choose it.It wasMaybe your unwanted pregnancy was the result of "irresponsibility and promiscuity." Maybe it wasn't.
OMG...obviously you are unable toEither way, insofar as you couldn't bring yourself to have an abortion, I would have thought you'd be very aware of how hard a choice it is to make, because it was clearly an option that was too difficult for you to choose it. Why could not is beside the point. The fact remains you hadn't the fortitude to choose it.
comprehend what I wrote!
The fact of the matter is that regardless of how much and in what ways you describe how you see abortion as being an easy way out, they are all just your ways of seeing the matter as the so-called "easy way out," and as such demonstrate no comprehension of how the decision to have an abortion is not an "easy way out."It isn't? I have no idea what makes you think it's not
I wrote that you're good with the "talking points" because I saw the key one in your post.
The fact is there is no propaganda that declares the fetus in a woman's uterus is a "blob," but I say that because I've never seen anything saying a a fetus is a "blob." By all means, however, if you've seen pro-choice literature describing a fetus as a "blob," please do share; however, absent your doing so, one must accept the factual truth that what is in a woman's uterus is a fetus, not a baby. When it's born, it'll be a baby, but until then, it's a fetus, which is neither "blob" nor baby.It's easy to choose abortion when you buy into the propaganda that it's just a blob, it's not a baby, it's my body, my choice....
And despite what you may think, everyone is well aware that a fetus has the potential to be a baby, but until a fetus becomes a baby, it is property not person. If a given mother or pair of parents cares to increase the status of their own fetus to that of baby, that's a personal normative action on their part.
As for what's "easy" and not about abortion and its aftermath, a given economic/financial position of the mother/would-be parents who chose to abort a pregnancy may be easier to attain or maintain than had she/they not done so. Is the decision to abort the pregnancy an easy one? No. Is the emotional "baggage" that accompanies having aborted the pregnancy easy to bear? I doubt it.No darling, you did not comprehend what I wrote,It's not that I don't comprehend what you wrote. It's that you don't comprehend any reality or normative perspective other than the one having your approbation. The veracity of my assertion is shown in your own response to the assertion that abortion is not the easy way out:
made obvious by your follow up here.
Too much trouble to go back an re read what I wrote
I had an abortion, so don't tell me I don't comprehendThe fact of the matter is that regardless of how much and in what ways you describe how you see abortion as being an easy way out, they are all just your ways of seeing the matter as the so-called "easy way out," and as such demonstrate no comprehension of how the decision to have an abortion is not an "easy way out."
Abortion is the easy way out, bottom line
Why would pro choice literature describe a fetus as a blob?The fact is there is no propaganda that declares the fetus in a woman's uterus is a "blob," but I say that because I've never seen anything saying a a fetus is a "blob." By all means, however, if you've seen pro-choice literature describing a fetus as a "blob," please do share;
Here's a factual truth, shit for brains...however, absent your doing so, one must accept the factual truth that what is in a woman's uterus is a fetus, not a baby. When it's born, it'll be a baby, but until then, it's a fetus, which is neither "blob" nor baby.
I was able to hear the heartbeat of my unborn children
I could see the outline of their foot, under my skin,
when they were kicking my belly, inside me
I could feel them and see the outline of their body,
as they were turning within me, as if, doing summersaults,
watching my belly as the head was coming up,
followed by the arch of their back, then their butt.
It looked like a fucking scene from Aliens
Does a fetus hiccup?
You can not tell me, what was growing inside of me,
was not actually a baby, until it came out my vagina!