House Democrats Plan Vote to Criminalize Private Gun Sales

[SmokeALib]

I just bought my wife a brand new Mossberg 590 12 gage pump action tactical defense shotgun. Happy Valentines day sweetheart!

 

[Lesh]

I just bought my wife a brand new Mossberg 590 12 gage pump action tactical defense shotgun. Happy Valentines day sweetheart!

And if you're lucky...she won't blow your ass away with it

 

[SmokeALib]

I just bought my wife a brand new Mossberg 590 12 gage pump action tactical defense shotgun. Happy Valentines day sweetheart!

And if you're lucky...she won't blow your ass away with it

Nah. She's a responsible gun owner, and a helluva lot smarter than your average liberal.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I swear, you gun people will lie and do anything to prevent any reasonable and proper safety regulations on weapons.

If your enemy is down in the mud, you have to get down there with him to fight.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

And if you're lucky...she won't blow your ass away with it

Is that what you think every gun owner does? They just start shooting at everything as soon as they get a gun in their hands?

 

[Lesh]

And if you're lucky...she won't blow your ass away with it

Is that what you think every gun owner does? They just start shooting at everything as soon as they get a gun in their hands?

Nope. But far too many do

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Nope. But far too many do

What could we do to keep those 20 or so people from ejaculating the moment a gun hits their hand? Is it possible a problem with lack of education? Lack of exposure?

 

[danielpalos]

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The problem is criminals will not follow any law they don’t have to. Think, Jethro.

And you think most of those follow laws now?

I can just see it, “oh, wait, I need to do a background check on you before I sell you this black market gun...”. Lol

Mass shootings get the headlines but aren't the real problem. It's the daily shootings that occur with handguns.

Background checks of all sales even between private parties makes a lot of sense.

No one said this will fix all issues. No single law does. But otherwise really good job of thinking things through Jethro.

LOL, the old "criminals don't follow laws" tired argument.

So tell me, how did every other first world nation manage to weed criminals out of their societies? No criminals to be found apparently. How do you think they did that?

We have a Second Amendment in the US. We should have no security problems in our free States.

Some on the left claim, gun lovers simply don't love their Republic as much as they allege to love their guns.

 

[FA_Q2]

If all transfers are to require a background check, then all citizens should have access to the database...

Interesting comment, that would be the kibosh since gun owners do not want their Identity and gun(s) broadcast to the world.

That is why the idea of a background check ID was floated a few years back.

A FAR better solution than the one presented here IMHO. It just has to be free.

The Background ID was floated and failed because it Identified the buy by name and it could easily have gone into a Database. The universal background check does not identify the person at all since it's an inquiry which is just a DB search only.

It does not identify the buy at all - just show the card. It does identify the individual as someone that might purchase a gun.

A background check actually confirms the purchase of a weapon. You think an inquiry is not traceable or recorded? ANY digital action is recorded. A hard search on a name really only occurs when a purchase is in process - an ID is acquired at the thought of a purchase.

One establishes that someone has a weapon, the other actually does not.

 

[FA_Q2]

I just bought a little number from a friend who was strapped for cash. We met up at the local gun shop, I paid a small fee for a background check, and zipideedodah, we were done. The gun was transferred to me in minutes.

No big deal.

That fee is unConstitutional.....you can't charge fees for the exercise of a Right....Supreme Court ruling in Murdock v Pennsylvania...

You want to take the Dealers time for nothing? It's not a tax. It a fee for services rendered. As for Murdock V unless it's a religious pamphlet, it doesn't apply. You back to misquoting Supreme Court rulings again? Stop making shit up.

It is still an imposed fee. There is no functional difference. A voter ID law would be just as unconstitutional if the ID's were privately printed and you had to pay the printer any payment at all.

 

[hazlnut]

House Democrats Plan Vote to Criminalize Private Gun Sales This Week

i'm all for reviewing laws and changes that we know would affect events that have happened. this does nothing of the sort. it means if i sell my gun to my brother, i'm a criminal if i don't do a background check.

fine. i'll give it to him. problem solved.

but you can't name a single mass shooting where the gun was obtained in this manner. yet, this is what we're after.

Will never pass the senate. Too many spineless GOPs who gave their balls to the NRA.

Fuck the majority of Americans who want Universal Background checks.