House approves removing Capitol’s Confederate statues

What I said is no different than those with religious beliefs who find it abhorrent to have to pay for contraceptive coverage in their insurance.
You equate a statue with people being forced to work to support abortion?
Contraception not abortion.

Abortion services are explicitly excluded from the ten essential benefits offered on all non-grandfathered health plans under the ACA, as are abortion inducing drugs.


A lot of religious people are opposed to contraception-should religious groups like Hobby Lobby and the Little Sisters of the Poor really be forced to renounce their own faith?

BTW, there is nothing to prevent their employees who do use contraception from purchasing their own policies for this, from the wages they are paid.
 
Why would we keep monuments to people who committed treason.
You can't really call it treason when the issue of whether a sovereign state's membership in the Union is voluntary was still an undecided legal issue.

And, given that no one was tried or convicted of treason, you can't really say they were guilty of treason.
Mary Surratt, convicted of treason and hanged in 1865

Recalculate.
CONSPIRACY TO ASSASSINATE LINCOLN!!!
 
What I said is no different than those with religious beliefs who find it abhorrent to have to pay for contraceptive coverage in their insurance.
You equate a statue with people being forced to work to support abortion?
Contraception not abortion.

Abortion services are explicitly excluded from the ten essential benefits offered on all non-grandfathered health plans under the ACA, as are abortion inducing drugs.
Take that with a grain of salt. Regardless, some people have conscientious objections to contraception and should not be forced to subsidize personal lifestyle choices.
 
When erected and displayed on land owned by the public, and open for their free assembly, they should not be forced to endure a statue abhorrent to their beliefs.
What I said is no different than those with religious beliefs who find it abhorrent to have to pay for contraceptive coverage in their insurance.

A lot of religious people are opposed to contraception-should religious groups like Hobby Lobby and the Little Sisters of the Poor really be forced to renounce their own faith?

They are not forced to. Neither should the public be forced to endure statues against their moral faith.
 
If it was the John Muir club, I would support a name change.
He was instrumental in the founding of our National Parks on the plus side.
Don't force me to use the Autobahns and making the trains run on time argument.

Before you jump that shark, it should be noted the our Federal Gov't sent Federal Agents called 'Buffalo Soldiers' in to Yosemite to protect it from civilized encroachment so it could become a National Park.
U.S. History, for better or worse makes America unique and our freedom worth preserving!
 
John Muir was openly rascist about indigenous Indians and Blacks.

Does this mean that we purge all of his statues and dissolve the Sierra Club that he founded?

If it was the John Muir club, I would support a name change.
That wasn’t the question.

Bad people can do good things, and good people can do bad things. The good things should endure, but with a change of name if necessary.

If racist Woodrow Wilson won WW I, I don't feel we should reverse that and pay reparations to Germany.
WTF??
 
When erected and displayed on land owned by the public, and open for their free assembly, they should not be forced to endure a statue abhorrent to their beliefs.
What I said is no different than those with religious beliefs who find it abhorrent to have to pay for contraceptive coverage in their insurance.

A lot of religious people are opposed to contraception-should religious groups like Hobby Lobby and the Little Sisters of the Poor really be forced to renounce their own faith?

They are not forced to. Neither should the public be forced to endure statues against their moral faith.
Are statues subsidies?
 
Why would we keep monuments to people who committed treason.
You can't really call it treason when the issue of whether a sovereign state's membership in the Union is voluntary was still an undecided legal issue.

And, given that no one was tried or convicted of treason, you can't really say they were guilty of treason.
Mary Surratt, convicted of treason and hanged in 1865

Recalculate.
CONSPIRACY TO ASSASSINATE LINCOLN!!!


“Now that their battalions of treason are broken and flying before the victorious legions of the republic, the chief traitors in this great crime against your government secretly conspire with their hired confederates to achieve by assassination what they in vain attempt by wager of battle”;—and the unequivocal announcement that “it is for this secret conspiracy in the interest of the rebellion, formed at the instigation of the chief in that rebellion, and in pursuance of which the acts charged and specified are alleged to have been done, and with the intent laid, that the accused are upon trial”: finish the exordium.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
 
Before you jump that shark, it should be noted the our Federal Gov't sent Federal Agents called 'Buffalo Soldiers' in to Yosemite to protect it from civilized encroachment so it could become a National Park.
U.S. History, for better or worse makes America unique and our freedom worth preserving!
They also violated a constitutional treaty, and killed thousands on the trail of tears.
 
Why would we keep monuments to people who committed treason.
You can't really call it treason when the issue of whether a sovereign state's membership in the Union is voluntary was still an undecided legal issue.

And, given that no one was tried or convicted of treason, you can't really say they were guilty of treason.
Mary Surratt, convicted of treason and hanged in 1865

Recalculate.
CONSPIRACY TO ASSASSINATE LINCOLN!!!


“Now that their battalions of treason are broken and flying before the victorious legions of the republic, the chief traitors in this great crime against your government secretly conspire with their hired confederates to achieve by assassination what they in vain attempt by wager of battle”;—and the unequivocal announcement that “it is for this secret conspiracy in the interest of the rebellion, formed at the instigation of the chief in that rebellion, and in pursuance of which the acts charged and specified are alleged to have been done, and with the intent laid, that the accused are upon trial”: finish the exordium.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The confederacy did not initiate war against the US. The US attempted from the outset to reclaim seceding states.
 
Before you jump that shark, it should be noted the our Federal Gov't sent Federal Agents called 'Buffalo Soldiers' in to Yosemite to protect it from civilized encroachment so it could become a National Park.
U.S. History, for better or worse makes America unique and our freedom worth preserving!
They also violated a constitutional treaty, and killed thousands on the trail of tears.

Just as long that it is recorded correctly and not culture cancelled from history!
 
It’s nice to know everything is going so well politicians have nothing better to worry about then if statues of men who have been dead anywhere from 150 to 200 plus years should be removed.
The house can walk and chew gum at the same time. That's why there are hundreds of bills they passed that sit on Mitch McConnels desk gathering dust.
 

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