Hospitals Eliminate 1 in 4 U.S. Emergency Rooms

Hospitals Eliminate 1 in 4 U.S. Emergency Rooms Since 1990, Study Finds - Bloomberg

This is what happens when you force people to provide goods and services w/o compensaton.
You have just made the best arguement that I have heard for the total socialization of our Health Care System.
Hardly.

The hospitals closed their ERs because they could not/would not be forced to provide goods and services for people that could not pay.

Socialized medicine forces EVERYONE to provide goods and services to people that cannot pay, which is WORSE.

Why should people be forced to pay for goods and services they do not receive?
 
Adapt a Canadian or Japanese system. No for profit health care systems at all. We have a very low longevity compared to the Japanese and Canadians. And our infant mortality rate is third world. Cuba does better there than we do. The 'free market' is a failure in health care.

Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS

Would a public healthcare system make americans stop eating mcdonald's and get on the treadmill?

It could. Insurance companies have such incentives right now. You pay a lower rate if you try to lose weight and quit smoking.
 
Adapt a Canadian or Japanese system. No for profit health care systems at all. We have a very low longevity compared to the Japanese and Canadians. And our infant mortality rate is third world. Cuba does better there than we do. The 'free market' is a failure in health care.

Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS

Would a public healthcare system make americans stop eating mcdonald's and get on the treadmill?

It could. Insurance companies have such incentives right now. You pay a lower rate if you try to lose weight and quit smoking.

If dying sooner doesn't stop people from doing or not doing what I listed, I'm doubting any federal mandate would work better.
 
Would a public healthcare system make americans stop eating mcdonald's and get on the treadmill?

It could. Insurance companies have such incentives right now. You pay a lower rate if you try to lose weight and quit smoking.

If dying sooner doesn't stop people from doing or not doing what I listed, I'm doubting any federal mandate would work better.

well it has worked when insurance companies have implemented it. Oh and its not a mandate. You can pay more to not live healthily.
 
It could. Insurance companies have such incentives right now. You pay a lower rate if you try to lose weight and quit smoking.

If dying sooner doesn't stop people from doing or not doing what I listed, I'm doubting any federal mandate would work better.

well it has worked when insurance companies have implemented it.

My only point was about the health stats the other poster was using, we don't live as long because we live a way less healthy lifestyle.
 
Hospitals Eliminate 1 in 4 U.S. Emergency Rooms Since 1990, Study Finds - Bloomberg

This is what happens when you force people to provide goods and services w/o compensaton.

You have just made the best arguement that I have heard for the total socialization of our Health Care System. We pay at least twice as much as anybody else in the world on a per capita basis, and don't even cover all of our citizens. And our results are much inferior to other industrial nations.

Our present Health Care System is very good for the financial health of a few wealthy people, and not so good for anyone else. Especially those in small businesses.

canada pays double the taxes and they wait weeks instead of hours for care. the health care i get is superior to those in other countries. it's a question of availability.

OK. You have a good job, with fine health care benefits. How long can you afford to pay for that health care if you lose that job?

I have excellant health care, also. Medicare, and my employer provides the supplementary. But the people that were laid off in 2008 lost their health care the day of the layoff, only if they could afford their house payment or rent and COBRA could they have health care for any lenght of time. Not only that, as usual, the younger entry level workers were the first let go. And the least able to afford health care on unemployment.
 
If dying sooner doesn't stop people from doing or not doing what I listed, I'm doubting any federal mandate would work better.

well it has worked when insurance companies have implemented it.

My only point was about the health stats the other poster was using, we don't live as long because we live a way less healthy lifestyle.

see my edit above. if it's going to hit your pocketbook, you're more likely to make adjustments.
 
Would a public healthcare system make americans stop eating mcdonald's and get on the treadmill?

It could. Insurance companies have such incentives right now. You pay a lower rate if you try to lose weight and quit smoking.

If dying sooner doesn't stop people from doing or not doing what I listed, I'm doubting any federal mandate would work better.

I have to agree with Elvis on this. Matter of psychology. People, even when faced with failing health, most simply cannot act on the idea of their own death. A denial reflex. But they will act on immediate dollars coming out of their wallet. Not rational, but that's the way people work.
 
well it has worked when insurance companies have implemented it.

My only point was about the health stats the other poster was using, we don't live as long because we live a way less healthy lifestyle.

see my edit above. if it's going to hit your pocketbook, you're more likely to make adjustments.

Well buying the ingredients for a healthy meal is more expensive than mcdonald's and buying a treadmill is more expensive than not owning one.

I guess we could go through this all day lol.
 
Hospitals Eliminate 1 in 4 U.S. Emergency Rooms Since 1990, Study Finds - Bloomberg

This is what happens when you force people to provide goods and services w/o compensaton.
They GET compensated. What on earth are you babbling about?
Ah! My favorite fraud!
Was recess inside today or did you stay home from school?

Not that I think you can answer, but I'll ask anyway:
Compensated... -if- they do, then by whom?

I wish you idiots would learn what socialized medicine is because WE DON'T HAVE IT.
Speaking of idiots.... no one claimed we did.
:lol:
 
Adapt a Canadian or Japanese system. No for profit health care systems at all. We have a very low longevity compared to the Japanese and Canadians. And our infant mortality rate is third world. Cuba does better there than we do. The 'free market' is a failure in health care.

Sick Around The World | FRONTLINE | PBS



Please explain how eliminating profit increases both supply and quality?
 
Hospitals Eliminate 1 in 4 U.S. Emergency Rooms Since 1990, Study Finds - Bloomberg

This is what happens when you force people to provide goods and services w/o compensaton.
They GET compensated. What on earth are you babbling about?
Ah! My favorite fraud!
Was recess inside today or did you stay home from school?

Not that I think you can answer, but I'll ask anyway:
Compensated... -if- they do, then by whom?

I wish you idiots would learn what socialized medicine is because WE DON'T HAVE IT.
Speaking of idiots.... no one claimed we did.
:lol:


you must have short-term memory issues, because this post of yorus specifically refers to socialism.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/3654514-post21.html

see, letting people die isn't an option. that means the government (we) pay for it... or insurance pays for it. the whole reason for the individual mandate is to make it cheaper for everyone.

but you wack-a-doodles were for it before you were against it.
 
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My only point was about the health stats the other poster was using, we don't live as long because we live a way less healthy lifestyle.

see my edit above. if it's going to hit your pocketbook, you're more likely to make adjustments.

Well buying the ingredients for a healthy meal is more expensive than mcdonald's and buying a treadmill is more expensive than not owning one.

I guess we could go through this all day lol.

well, i guess they should make the difference in health premiums higher than the difference between mickey d's and healthy food? The company i worked for that did this (in cahoots with the insurance they had) had their own gym. and it paid off.
 
My only point was about the health stats the other poster was using, we don't live as long because we live a way less healthy lifestyle.

see my edit above. if it's going to hit your pocketbook, you're more likely to make adjustments.

Well buying the ingredients for a healthy meal is more expensive than mcdonald's and buying a treadmill is more expensive than not owning one.

I guess we could go through this all day lol.



B'loney. One can cook nutritious meals at home quite cost effectively by using legumes and fresh vegetables.

And walking doesn't take any big investment in fancy equipment.
 
see my edit above. if it's going to hit your pocketbook, you're more likely to make adjustments.

Well buying the ingredients for a healthy meal is more expensive than mcdonald's and buying a treadmill is more expensive than not owning one.

I guess we could go through this all day lol.

well, i guess they should make the difference in health premiums higher than the difference between mickey d's and healthy food? The company i worked for that did this (in cahoots with the insurance they had) had their own gym. and it paid off.

I work for a company now with a gym in it. I'm overly thankful because I went from never working out to going in twice a day, i don't have an excuse to not do it anymore.

But it's an enormous corporate office, it offers discounts if you get so many "points" at the gym for working out and getting the check ups etc, and the gym is very small and is still never filled.

I think no matter what most of our culture when given the choice between lazy and hard work, will choose lazy even with the consequences.

I have a bright outlook in terms of thinking most people I interact with are good honest people, but not the type who will take their health as seriously as they should.
 
They GET compensated. What on earth are you babbling about?
Ah! My favorite fraud!
Was recess inside today or did you stay home from school?

Not that I think you can answer, but I'll ask anyway:
Compensated... -if- they do, then by whom?

I wish you idiots would learn what socialized medicine is because WE DON'T HAVE IT.
Speaking of idiots.... no one claimed we did.
:lol:
you must have short-term memory issues, because this post of yorus specifically refers to socialism.
You have absolutely no ability to comprehend what you read.
This is, of course, not new.

see, letting people die isn't an option. that means the government (we) pay for it..
Wait... I thought you said we didn't have socialized medicine?
:lol:

Letting people die who cannot pay for the goods and services they receive IS an option.
If you have a moral issue with that, then it is up to YOU do something about it, not force others to confirm to your version of morality.
 
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Hospitals Eliminate 1 in 4 U.S. Emergency Rooms Since 1990, Study Finds - Bloomberg

This is what happens when you force people to provide goods and services w/o compensaton.

This is what happens when you don't have a public option and Health Care Company CEO's make a paycheck of over a $100,000,000.00! Why do right wingers say such stupid things?

CIGNA CEO
Edward Hanway
Five-Year Compensation, as of April 30, 2008 (Forbes)
$120.51 million
Total Value of Unexercised Stock Options (Forbes)
$28,881,000
Value of New Jersey Beach Home (Cape May County Assessor)
$13,607,400

UnitedHealth CEO
Stephen J. Hemsley
2007 Compensation
$13.2 million
2008 Compensation (Forbes)
$3,241,042
Former Managing Partner and CFO of Arthur Andersen (BusinessWeek)
Total Value of Unexercised Stock Options (Forbes)
$744,232,068
2009 Options Exercise
$127,001,281
Value of Wayzata, Minnesota Home (Hennepin County Assessor)
$6,640,000

Humana CEO
Michael McCallister
2007 Compensation
$10.3 million
2008 Compensation (Forbes)
$1,017,308
Five-Year Compensation Total (Forbes)
$15.1 million
Total Value of Unexercised Stock Options (Forbes)
$60,865,194
2006 Options Exercise (SECForm4)
$22,294,710
Value of Park City, Utah Home (County Assessor)
$6,978,380

Sick for Profit - Insurance CEOs
 

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