CDZ Honest Question, does providing help to drug addicts make them worse?

[Michelle420]

An addict has to want to get clean. No jail, tough love or rehab in itself is going to be successful until the addict wants it. Sometimes tough love helps an addict hit a bottom but sometimes it doesn't and they die. Sometimes jail is an eye opener for an addict to want to change other times it just becomes a repeating pattern until they go to prison. Rehab can help when addicts truly have had enough but don't know how to help themselves. Otherwise, they use rehab as a retreat of in between the next fix.

The addict has to want to in any scenario.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Again, CO saw a 25 percent drop in opiate overdoses the year they legalized marijuana and the rate has steadily continued to decline.

 

[anotherlife]

Many decades and billions of dollars spent prove, that it is not possible to cure drug addicts. They could be quarantined, but that costs money too. The only solution is to bring back the old laws of hanging for robbery and theft. But we live in a zombie society of socialists, so this will never happen, and there isn't much difference between drug addicts and sober people after this anyways.

 

[Toronado3800]

Again, CO saw a 25 percent drop in opiate overdoses the year they legalized marijuana and the rate has steadily continued to decline.

I don't disagree.

I also feel I've known enough people to believe marijuana is an addictive crutch.

Let me say Marijuana is way, way less bad than heroin.

Being around stoned people does not bother me. The effects of the needles and spoons I couldn't handle no matter how hot she was and I liked "dumpster diving" for gems alot.

To give some idea of where I stand

I would prefer if the woman around my kids did not have to have doctor prescribed happy pills.

Same with stoned but slightly stronger. Only stoners and professional drunks in denial think they can drive or watch kids just as good high. You don't inhale and hold it for no reason.

I wouldn't want a wife who had to be plum drunk every night even more.

Those are probably problems I try to help with if I love her.

Vicodin type problems I might help with.

The needles, spoons and lines I may help from afar and think being locked up in rehab just might be best.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

So there does seem to be a consensus here that people need to hit bottom before they can have any hope of genuinely kicking the habit.
Which brings me back to the question...does providing them constant support not allowing them to hit bottom - therefore their chances of getting off drugs is basically impossible. So therefore they are indeed supporting their habit rather than curing it.
It's called enabling. For every bratty spoiled child there is almost always an enabling parent.
Same for drug addicts.
Not to say the answer is to provide no help, I believe a mechanism certainly needs to be there for those who want out - but there should not be free food, shelter, medical care, emergency support etc. etc. It only prolongs the addiction.

 

[Michelle420]

So there does seem to be a consensus here that people need to hit bottom before they can have any hope of genuinely kicking the habit.
Which brings me back to the question...does providing them constant support not allowing them to hit bottom - therefore their chances of getting off drugs is basically impossible. So therefore they are indeed supporting their habit rather than curing it.
It's called enabling. For every bratty spoiled child there is almost always an enabling parent.
Same for drug addicts.
Not to say the answer is to provide no help, I believe a mechanism certainly needs to be there for those who want out - but there should not be free food, shelter, medical care, emergency support etc. etc. It only prolongs the addiction.

They need to want help and not from friends and family but from a professional and do the work to get the help. But having had a lot of drunks and some drug addicts in my family it's very hard in some instances to not help. I've had so many people die in my family with addiction problems that when a family member who is living develops one you kind of hesitate to be tough on them, you already know this can lead to death and your scared because you don't want to lose that person. And while some experts will say don't enable and that addiction is no life etc etc at least you can still talk to the person and you can have "some" good times and they are still alive. Whereas in previous cases of tough love the loved one died and you got no closure and have to live with the guilt.

 

[Syriusly]

Read some stories a few weeks ago about drug dealers racing to set up shop near rehab centers, because they're a market magnet for them. The stories were about Florida but it probably applies everywhere else, too.

Doubt they were 'racing' but sure- makes business sense for a business- like setting up a liquor and cigarette store near a rehab center- going to have lots of relapses and your business would be right there to take advantage of them.

Doesn't mean that no one gets rehabbed- just that its tough.

 

[Syriusly]

Legalizing drugs of any kind only creates a bigger problem, and exposes more and more kids to them. Forget the idiot hippie 'solutions', they've gone nowhere but backwards.

Or we can look at the facts, rather than the idiotic Contard solutions of just jailing drug users and having a National prohibition.

We tried a drug Prohibition from 1917 to 1933- and it was a disaster. Not only did it fail to stop drinking- it actually contributed to having more alcoholics(it was easier to get hard alcohol than 'soft' alcohol and people binged more), it cause thousands of deaths due to poisoning, and it made the Mafia rich and powerful.

But we didn't learn much from that disaster- so come the 1970's and we start prohibition of other drugs- and have had almost the exact same results- more addictions, more deaths due to bad drugs, and we have made organized crime rich and powerful.

What about the 'hippy solutions'?

Well Portugal has decriminalized all illegal drug use- and has seen a dramatic decrease in all negative factors associated with illegal drug use.

In Portugal, Drug Use Is Treated As A Medical Issue, Not A Crime

Capaz's team of 10 counselors handles all of Lisbon's roughly 2,500 drug cases a year. It may sound like a lot, but it's actually a 75 percent drop from the 1990s. Portugal's drug-induced death rate has plummeted to five times lower than the European Union average.

 

[Syriusly]

Again, CO saw a 25 percent drop in opiate overdoses the year they legalized marijuana and the rate has steadily continued to decline.

Portugal has seen a huge decline in opiate overdoses since it has decriminalized drug use.

But still- there will be those who insist we continue our 'war on crime' and continue to accept the casualties.

 

[Tax Man]

There is a documentary series on Netflix called "Herion (e)"...I watched a good part of the first episode and watched an entire system of people and programs dedicated solely for drug addicts. And every single person treated them like they were helpless little children. I watched a judge give extraordinary light sentences to repeat offenders, one guy had overdosed twice in the same week...and several times before - but, like before, he was treated and released and they were actually congratulating him for saying he was going to rehab. (which he previously flunked).
People bringing them free food, and providing shelter...
Honest question...is this helping or supporting their habit??

The person must decide they want to be clean. All the help in the world will not do anything if the addict does not want to change.

 

[Syriusly]

Not to say the answer is to provide no help, I believe a mechanism certainly needs to be there for those who want out - but there should not be free food, shelter, medical care, emergency support etc. etc. It only prolongs the addiction.

Well.....that sounds like a great idea- except for the side effects from that.

True drug addicts will do anything to get their next high. Typically they ruin their own lives, and then steal from their friends and family before they get kicked out- and then they start stealing from everyone else.

So lets say you prevent 'addicts' from getting 'emergency support'- we already have an epidemic of opiate overdose deaths- you want more of those deaths as emergency services won't treat those who have overdosed?

The most successful programs I have heard of are being done generally for homeless- and often addicted- veterans- and they are counterintuitive.

Generally called "Housing First"- and they aim at first putting people into housing- with supportive services such as drug counseling.

And it is working- it is getting homeless drug addicted veterans off the streets and into treatment.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There is a documentary series on Netflix called "Herion (e)"...I watched a good part of the first episode and watched an entire system of people and programs dedicated solely for drug addicts. And every single person treated them like they were helpless little children. I watched a judge give extraordinary light sentences to repeat offenders, one guy had overdosed twice in the same week...and several times before - but, like before, he was treated and released and they were actually congratulating him for saying he was going to rehab. (which he previously flunked).
People bringing them free food, and providing shelter...
Honest question...is this helping or supporting their habit??

Watering the Weeds

These degenerate threats to society are not victims. They are childish, spoiled, self-indulgent, escapist cowards. Don't put them on our bill.

Let them wander the street strung-out as a warning to teens not to go there. I remember seeing some ignorant kids with bleeding hearts trying to extort donations for after-school activities. Their pitch was that games would keep their fellow students from getting into drugs, But any punk who would do that just because he was bored is a worthless lost cause. The worst addiction of all is the high fools get from doing good for bad people.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I don't think helping them makes them worse. The addiction is a symptom of a bigger problem with the addict. Treatment helps them beat the physical side of the addiction but unless the mind changes, they are almost sure to relapse. It's a lot harder to get into someone's noodle and turn that around.

Sheen Don't Shine


Especially when it's a subhuman mind. Psychologists treating criminals should be animal behaviorists. This ain't Anger Management.

 

[Tax Man]

There is a documentary series on Netflix called "Herion (e)"...I watched a good part of the first episode and watched an entire system of people and programs dedicated solely for drug addicts. And every single person treated them like they were helpless little children. I watched a judge give extraordinary light sentences to repeat offenders, one guy had overdosed twice in the same week...and several times before - but, like before, he was treated and released and they were actually congratulating him for saying he was going to rehab. (which he previously flunked).
People bringing them free food, and providing shelter...
Honest question...is this helping or supporting their habit??

Watering the Weeds

These degenerate threats to society are not victims. They are childish, spoiled, self-indulgent, escapist cowards. Don't put them on our bill.

Let them wander the street strung-out as a warning to teens not to go there. I remember seeing some ignorant kids with bleeding hearts trying to extort donations for after-school activities. Their pitch was that games would keep their fellow students from getting into drugs, But any punk who would do that just because he was bored is a worthless lost cause. The worst addiction of all is the high fools get from doing good for bad people.

What you describe so eloquently are conservatives.

 

[Tax Man]

I don't think helping them makes them worse. The addiction is a symptom of a bigger problem with the addict. Treatment helps them beat the physical side of the addiction but unless the mind changes, they are almost sure to relapse. It's a lot harder to get into someone's noodle and turn that around.

Sheen Don't Shine


Especially when it's a subhuman mind. Psychologists treating criminals should be animal behaviorists. This ain't Anger Management.

it is very evident you have no idea what you are talking about based on this reply.

 

[Asclepias]

Legalizing drugs of any kind only creates a bigger problem, and exposes more and more kids to them. Forget the idiot hippie 'solutions', they've gone nowhere but backwards.

So you must be all for making alcohol illegal then?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I don't think helping them makes them worse. The addiction is a symptom of a bigger problem with the addict. Treatment helps them beat the physical side of the addiction but unless the mind changes, they are almost sure to relapse. It's a lot harder to get into someone's noodle and turn that around.

Sheen Don't Shine


Especially when it's a subhuman mind. Psychologists treating criminals should be animal behaviorists. This ain't Anger Management.

it is very evident you have no idea what you are talking about based on this reply.

Mortimer Snerd

Which prominent SJW ventriloquist is using you for a dummy?

 

[SeaGal]

There is a documentary series on Netflix called "Herion (e)"...I watched a good part of the first episode and watched an entire system of people and programs dedicated solely for drug addicts. And every single person treated them like they were helpless little children. I watched a judge give extraordinary light sentences to repeat offenders, one guy had overdosed twice in the same week...and several times before - but, like before, he was treated and released and they were actually congratulating him for saying he was going to rehab. (which he previously flunked).
People bringing them free food, and providing shelter...
Honest question...is this helping or supporting their habit??

We've spent a great deal of tax payer dollars fighting the War on Drugs with no more success than the War on Poverty has achieved.

State sponsored 'drug' stores, at which addicts can get a free fix might reduce the number of street dealers and drug associated crime...and be a better use of public money. Private charities can offer counseling and job coaching with or without partnering with state agencies.

The 'Just say no' program was instituted in schools several decades ago - has it been successful?...I wonder.

At some point 'tea & sympathy' enables rather than soothes.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Another serious question....
Over 95% of illicit hard drugs in America come from Bolivia, Peru and Columbia. Most of that is pipelined to America via the Mexican Cartels.
It is impossible that this much drugs come through Mexico without all levels of government being wholly corrupt by it. Having said that, what level of corruption is there on the American side? How far up the ladder?

 

[Asclepias]

Another serious question....
Over 95% of illicit hard drugs in America come from Bolivia, Peru and Columbia. Most of that is pipelined to America via the Mexican Cartels.
It is impossible that this much drugs come through Mexico without all levels of government being wholly corrupt by it. Having said that, what level of corruption is there on the American side? How far up the ladder?

Iran Contras.