Honduras did not have a Coup.

[Old Rocks]

Ah yes, the usual wingnuts ginning up a reason to emulate a Banana Republic coup here in America. What happened in Honduras was illegal, just another military takeover in the sad history of many such in that area.

The military removal of an elected leader is odious, whether one approves of said leader or not. There are legal ways, much slower, but far safer for any nation, for doing such things.

 

[DiveCon]

Ah yes, the usual wingnuts ginning up a reason to emulate a Banana Republic coup here in America. What happened in Honduras was illegal, just another military takeover in the sad history of many such in that area.

The military removal of an elected leader is odious, whether one approves of said leader or not. There are legal ways, much slower, but far safer for any nation, for doing such things.

except they were fololowing the orders of the legislature and the Honduran supreme court
and no military leader was put in charge


so you would be WRONG once again

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Ah yes, the usual wingnuts ginning up a reason to emulate a Banana Republic coup here in America. What happened in Honduras was illegal, just another military takeover in the sad history of many such in that area.

The military removal of an elected leader is odious, whether one approves of said leader or not. There are legal ways, much slower, but far safer for any nation, for doing such things.

except they were fololowing the orders of the legislature and the Honduran supreme court
and no military leader was put in charge


so you would be WRONG once again

Their president tried to ILLEGALLY change their constitution. Under their laws, if a president does this their court can direct their congress to mobilize the military to remove the president.

Sorta like the last president, current president, and last several congresses have been doing to our constitution....except i dont see how we could get our military to do something similar. Its not in our laws right now...only in the military oath "all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC"

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I just love how they keep saying that Ortega, Chavez, Castro AND OBAMA are the ones who support Zelaya. Obviously some sort of communist plot, right? I'll let you know who else does, for the record:

Kristina de Kirchner
Felipe Calderon
Alvaro Uribe
Oscar Arias
Evo Morales
Rafael Correa
Lula da Silva
Michelle Bachelet
Mauricio Funes
Alvaro Colom
Fernando Lugo
Tabare Vasquez
Ricardo Martinelli
Leonel Fernandez
Alan Garcia

And well, yeah, in short, the entirety of the continent. That's a lot of parrots, huh? Guess EVERYBODY is wrong, except you geniuses.

What you guys don't understand is this: Zelaya was doing something illegal, so there's a process: He is impeached, arrested by the police, given a fair trail, and stripped of the presidency and put in jail if found guilty. That's the process. Their total stupidity in exiling him by force, with the army, during twilight hours is what makes this an illegal military coup.

Wrong again. THE ENTIRETY of the Government of Honduras chose to eject him in this manner. No one else has any business telling a sovereign nation and its entire Government how it will handle internal affairs.

Once again for the stupid slow and ignorant. The Supreme Court in concert with the Congress of Honduras APPROVED and ORDERED the military to act, NO COUP happened at all.

 

[Agnapostate]

Their president tried to ILLEGALLY change their constitution. Under their laws, if a president does this their court can direct their congress to mobilize the military to remove the president.

Sorta like the last president, current president, and last several congresses have been doing to our constitution....except i dont see how we could get our military to do something similar. Its not in our laws right now...only in the military oath "all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC"

Wrong again. THE ENTIRETY of the Government of Honduras chose to eject him in this manner. No one else has any business telling a sovereign nation and its entire Government how it will handle internal affairs.

Once again for the stupid slow and ignorant. The Supreme Court in concert with the Congress of Honduras APPROVED and ORDERED the military to act, NO COUP happened at all.

Same idiotic mindset and obnoxious use of capital letters...does Big Love here have a little clone or what? I don't see that much difference between William Bradford and good ole' Brigham.

 

[Dr Grump]

I wonder why NONE of this was reported before. A

It was down here. The day it happened.

 

[editec]

In fact the Supreme Court of Honduras with the consent of the Congress ordered the military to seize the former President and escort him out of the Country. Why? Because he was rabble rousing and tried to illegally change the Constitution of the Country.

Honduras rejects OAS appeal to restore president - Yahoo! News

I wonder why NONE of this was reported before. A Coup is when the Military seizes power , they never seized power, they acted under the direct orders of the Supreme Court and the Congress of Honduras. The Military was never in power. Congress replaced the President at the same time he was ousted by the COURTS and the CONGRESS.

You're right that that should have been reported.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention

"Insulza asked Honduras to reinstate Zelaya, but the president of the court categorically answered that there is an arrest warrant for him," said court spokesman Danilo Izaguirre. "Now the OAS has to decide what it will do."

The OAS? Why?

What does the Honduran constitution say should be done?

Seems to me that's the law governing this DOMESTIC embroglio.

Micheletti's supporters say the army was justified in ousting Zelaya — on orders of Congress and the Supreme Court — because he had called a referendum which they claim he intended to use to extend his rule. Zelaya denies that and has said he will no longer press for constitutional changes.

Guess I need to read the Hondoran constitution to understands what's happening now.

I knopw far more about Michale Jackson than I ever wanted to know, but when Honduras is in flux, we're not given full coverage.

The MSM in America is less than worthless.

 

[DiveCon]

In fact the Supreme Court of Honduras with the consent of the Congress ordered the military to seize the former President and escort him out of the Country. Why? Because he was rabble rousing and tried to illegally change the Constitution of the Country.



Honduras rejects OAS appeal to restore president - Yahoo! News

I wonder why NONE of this was reported before. A Coup is when the Military seizes power , they never seized power, they acted under the direct orders of the Supreme Court and the Congress of Honduras. The Military was never in power. Congress replaced the President at the same time he was ousted by the COURTS and the CONGRESS.

You're right that that should have been reported.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention



The OAS? Why?

What does the Honduran constitution say should be done?

Seems to me that's the law governing this DOMESTIC embroglio.

Micheletti's supporters say the army was justified in ousting Zelaya — on orders of Congress and the Supreme Court — because he had called a referendum which they claim he intended to use to extend his rule. Zelaya denies that and has said he will no longer press for constitutional changes.

Guess I need to read the Hondoran constitution to understands what's happening now.

I knopw far more about Michale Jackson than I ever wanted to know, but when Honduras is in flux, we're not given full coverage.

The MSM in America is less than worthless.

this is an Honduran issue, and they should be the only ones involved

i wish i could get Sky News

 

[Sweet Willy]

This information was in the very first report I read. He was removed over a ballot scandal. The court had sided with the congress that this particular referendum was not to be. It was a referendum to lay the ground work to change the one term limit in the country. After the decision, the ballots were confiscated and then the President had someone go re confiscate them, intending to try and carry out the referendum anyway. The military was ordered by congress to remove him.

It sounds like law and order to me. But then again, being unfamiliar with their constitution, the President may well have some of that magical executive priviledge dust.

 

[Yurt]

Ah yes, the usual wingnuts ginning up a reason to emulate a Banana Republic coup here in America. What happened in Honduras was illegal, just another military takeover in the sad history of many such in that area.

The military removal of an elected leader is odious, whether one approves of said leader or not. There are legal ways, much slower, but far safer for any nation, for doing such things.

under what law?

 

[DiveCon]

This information was in the very first report I read. He was removed over a ballot scandal. The court had sided with the congress that this particular referendum was not to be. It was a referendum to lay the ground work to change the one term limit in the country. After the decision, the ballots were confiscated and then the President had someone go re confiscate them, intending to try and carry out the referendum anyway. The military was ordered by congress to remove him.

It sounds like law and order to me. But then again, being unfamiliar with their constitution, the President may well have some of that magical executive priviledge dust.

you mean we agree on something

 

[Sweet Willy]

This information was in the very first report I read. He was removed over a ballot scandal. The court had sided with the congress that this particular referendum was not to be. It was a referendum to lay the ground work to change the one term limit in the country. After the decision, the ballots were confiscated and then the President had someone go re confiscate them, intending to try and carry out the referendum anyway. The military was ordered by congress to remove him.

It sounds like law and order to me. But then again, being unfamiliar with their constitution, the President may well have some of that magical executive priviledge dust.

you mean we agree on something

I agree that's the way it happened. Do I agree that there was some media cover up? No way. I read the story on CNN. It was reported in the mainstream media. I am actually wondering if it must not have been FOX NEWS that has been omitting these details, considering it is the usual suspects who are startled with this news. Maybe FOX angled the wrong way on a hunch about how the Whitehouse would respond. Who fucking knows why these lame brains didn't get the whole story. Maybe they just read the head line....

 

[DiveCon]

This information was in the very first report I read. He was removed over a ballot scandal. The court had sided with the congress that this particular referendum was not to be. It was a referendum to lay the ground work to change the one term limit in the country. After the decision, the ballots were confiscated and then the President had someone go re confiscate them, intending to try and carry out the referendum anyway. The military was ordered by congress to remove him.

It sounds like law and order to me. But then again, being unfamiliar with their constitution, the President may well have some of that magical executive priviledge dust.

you mean we agree on something

I agree that's the way it happened. Do I agree that there was some media cover up? No way. I read the story on CNN. It was reported in the mainstream media. I am actually wondering if it must not have been FOX NEWS that has been omitting these details, considering it is the usual suspects who are startled with this news. Maybe FOX angled the wrong way on a hunch about how the Whitehouse would respond. Who fucking knows why these lame brains didn't get the whole story. Maybe they just read the head line....

i wouldnt know, i dont watch fox news that much

 

[Yurt]

This information was in the very first report I read. He was removed over a ballot scandal. The court had sided with the congress that this particular referendum was not to be. It was a referendum to lay the ground work to change the one term limit in the country. After the decision, the ballots were confiscated and then the President had someone go re confiscate them, intending to try and carry out the referendum anyway. The military was ordered by congress to remove him.

It sounds like law and order to me. But then again, being unfamiliar with their constitution, the President may well have some of that magical executive priviledge dust.

you mean we agree on something

I agree that's the way it happened. Do I agree that there was some media cover up? No way. I read the story on CNN. It was reported in the mainstream media. I am actually wondering if it must not have been FOX NEWS that has been omitting these details, considering it is the usual suspects who are startled with this news. Maybe FOX angled the wrong way on a hunch about how the Whitehouse would respond. Who fucking knows why these lame brains didn't get the whole story. Maybe they just read the head line....

lmao....you're such a political hack....

yeah, ONLY fox news angled it wrong.....EVERYONE else just happen to miss it

 

[Baruch Menachem]

neither ortega or chaveza would be where they are had castro not supported them
so yeah, that tag doesnt fit

"Chaveza"? Sounds kinda queer. As it were, Chavez came to national prominence as a result of an attempted revolt against then-president Carlos Andres Perez, which Castro issued a statement of opposition toward. I'd advise you to study your history a bit more.

I advise you to recheck history too. He first gained fame for when he attempted a coup himself.

Of course, the voters voted for him, and approved his changes. But the way he does things is disturbing

 

[Agnapostate]

I advise you to recheck history too. He first gained fame for when he attempted a coup himself.

Of course I was awaiting the inevitable mention of it. But there is an important distinction that lies in the fact that such rampant corruption characterized the Venezuelan electoral and more general political system at the time (the flagrant excesses of former president Jaime Lusinchi are good examples of this) that large (mainly lower class and non-white) segments of the population were effectively isolated from the political process, which was why so much popular support was behind what seemed an "anti-democratic" coup attempt from a shallow perspective.

 

[Sweet Willy]

you mean we agree on something

I agree that's the way it happened. Do I agree that there was some media cover up? No way. I read the story on CNN. It was reported in the mainstream media. I am actually wondering if it must not have been FOX NEWS that has been omitting these details, considering it is the usual suspects who are startled with this news. Maybe FOX angled the wrong way on a hunch about how the Whitehouse would respond. Who fucking knows why these lame brains didn't get the whole story. Maybe they just read the head line....

lmao....you're such a political hack....

yeah, ONLY fox news angled it wrong.....EVERYONE else just happen to miss it

You're the hack buddy, if you didn't have this story well before the big event took place. CNN was covering the store BEFORE it happened with all the shitty details. Media cover my ass. THIS IS THE DAY BEFORE THE "COUP"

(CNN) -- The president of Honduras said Friday that the situation in his country was relatively calm, despite signs that he has lost the support of his armed forces, the supreme court and other government institutions.


Honduras president Jose Manuel Zelaya says he will move forward with plans to hold Sunday's referendum.

"There is no reason to be alarmed," President Jose Manuel Zelaya told CNN en Español. But, he added, "the peril is not over -- it's latent."

Zelaya, a leftist elected in 2005, has found himself pitted against the other branches of government and military leaders over the issue of a poll planned for Sunday. It would ask voters to place a measure on November's ballot allowing the formation of a constitutional assembly that could modify the nation's charter to allow the president to run for another term.

Zelaya, whose four-year term ends in January 2010, cannot run for re-election under current law.

The Honduran Supreme Court had ruled the poll illegal, and Congress and the top military brass agreed, but Zelaya remained steadfast.

He said Friday that the poll is justified by a Honduran law "that says the citizens can ask the powers of the state to be consulted. That poll has no binding character. That is, its result -- yes or no -- does not obligate the state to do anything. It's a public opinion poll. It's a poll that does not create new rights, does not create a new law."

Honduras president: Nation calm before controversial vote - CNN.com

Absorb this real S - L - O - W......the story was mainstream news before the coup. There is no cover. You all just fucking missed it. And you're paranoid, evidently.

Uh.... the AP got it right, right away.

MECIXO CITY, June 28 (AP) - (Kyodo)—Soldiers on Sunday arrested the Honduran president and took him to an air force base just before voting was to begin on a disputed constitutional election, according to the Associated Press.
President Manuel Zelaya's private secretary told the AP that Zelaya was arrested and brought to a base on the outskirts of the capital, Tegucigalpa.

An AP reporter saw dozens of green-helmeted soldiers surround the president's house Sunday morning and then later jump in trucks and drive away, according to the report. About 60 police continue to guard the house, it said, adding that the president did not appear.


Zelaya had pledged to go forward with a referendum on constitutional reform despite the opposition of the Supreme Court, the military, Congress and members of his own party.

Soldiers arrest Honduran president: AP+

Hmmm....CBS News got the story, the whole story and nothing but the story, on the day it happened:

Zelaya was seized by soldiers and hustled aboard a plane to Costa Rica early Sunday, just hours before a rogue referendum Zelaya had called in defiance of the courts and Congress, and which his opponents said was an attempt to remain in power after his term ends Jan. 27.

The Honduran constitution limits presidents to a single 4-year term, and Zelaya's opponents feared he would use the referendum results to try to run again, just as Chavez reformed his country's constitution to be able to seek re-election repeatedly.

Micheletti said the army acted on orders from the courts, and the ouster was carried out "to defend respect for the law and the principles of democracy." But he threatened to jail Zelaya and put him on trial if he returned. Micheletti also hit back at Chavez, saying "nobody, not Barack Obama and much less Hugo Chavez, has any right to threaten this country."

Coup In Honduras: Army Expels President - CBS News


And sure the fuck enough, I read FOX NEWS report of the 29th and guess what? There is nothing to report here.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/29/clinton-unrest-honduras-evolved-coup/

Those fuckers never once, in the longest of the articles about this, mentioned the entire scenario of the referendum, the courts and the congress role in the deposing of the president.

There is no media conspiracy. You dimwits just trust a single news source. And making it all the worse, it's FOX NEWS.

Try doing a little more reading on shit before you take off with the conspiracy crap.

 

[Sweet Willy]

Hours later, Congress voted to accept what it said was Zelaya's letter of resignation and by a show of hands, voted to appoint congressional President Roberto Micheletti as the new chief executive.

But Zelaya said the letter wasn't his and vowed to remain in power.

The Supreme Court said it was supporting the military in what it called a defense of democracy.

Zelaya was arrested shortly before polls were to open in a referendum on whether to change the constitution. The Supreme Court ruled the referendum illegal and everyone from Congress to members of his own party opposed it. Critics said Zelaya wanted to remove limits to his re-election.

Honduran Military Ousts President During Pre-Dawn Siege - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com


Christ, even the hacks over at FOX NEWS broke the details right.

Where do you people get your information? Do you have a beetle in an old match box and he lies on his back when it's going to rain?

 

[DiveCon]

Hours later, Congress voted to accept what it said was Zelaya's letter of resignation and by a show of hands, voted to appoint congressional President Roberto Micheletti as the new chief executive.

But Zelaya said the letter wasn't his and vowed to remain in power.

The Supreme Court said it was supporting the military in what it called a defense of democracy.

Zelaya was arrested shortly before polls were to open in a referendum on whether to change the constitution. The Supreme Court ruled the referendum illegal and everyone from Congress to members of his own party opposed it. Critics said Zelaya wanted to remove limits to his re-election.

Honduran Military Ousts President During Pre-Dawn Siege - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com


Christ, even the hacks over at FOX NEWS broke the details right.

Where do you people get your information? Do you have a beetle in an old match box and he lies on his back when it's going to rain?

so, could you kindly tell me what your ranting about, cause i dont get it?

 

[Sweet Willy]

Hours later, Congress voted to accept what it said was Zelaya's letter of resignation and by a show of hands, voted to appoint congressional President Roberto Micheletti as the new chief executive.

But Zelaya said the letter wasn't his and vowed to remain in power.

The Supreme Court said it was supporting the military in what it called a defense of democracy.

Zelaya was arrested shortly before polls were to open in a referendum on whether to change the constitution. The Supreme Court ruled the referendum illegal and everyone from Congress to members of his own party opposed it. Critics said Zelaya wanted to remove limits to his re-election.

Honduran Military Ousts President During Pre-Dawn Siege - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News - FOXNews.com


Christ, even the hacks over at FOX NEWS broke the details right.

Where do you people get your information? Do you have a beetle in an old match box and he lies on his back when it's going to rain?

so, could you kindly tell me what your ranting about, cause i dont get it?

It's ok not to get it. Maybe one of the smart kids will help you get on the bus.