Homosexuality isn't unnatural afterall

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Yale Scientific Magazine ? Do Animals Exhibit Homosexuality?

"Biologists Nathan W. Bailey and Marlene Zuk from the University of California, Riverside have investigated the evolutionary consequences and implications of same-sex behavior, and their findings demonstrate benefits to what seems to be an evolutionary paradox. For example, their studies of the Laysan albatross show that female-female pairing can increase fitness by taking advantage of the excess of females and shortage of males in the population and provide superior care for offspring. Moreover, same-sex pairing in many species actually alleviates the likelihood of divorce and curtails the pressure on the opposite sex by allowing members to exhibit more flexibility to form partnerships, which in turn strengthens social bonds and reduces competition. Thus, not only do animals exhibit homosexuality, but the existence of this behavior is quite prevalent and may also confer certain evolutionary advantages."

By definition, anything other animals do is 'natural.' So because an estimated 10% of animals [figure from above link] exhibit some degree of homosexuality, it must be concluded to be natural.

Why some religions traditionally decry it as unnatural might be revealed in this statement from another source,

"The role of polygyny in the church is a source of some embarrassment to mainstream modern-day Mormons, who may discuss the practice somewhat wryly as a revelation designed to build the church population at a time when they literally had to forge new communities under hardship."
The International Encyclopedia of Sexuality: United States of America
[Search down to LDS]

The premise homosexuality is unnatural then may have evolved out of a concern of reducing church memberships. In the above section discussing the unique role of LDS' sexuality, it mentions how Mormon youth growing up learn about sex mostly from observations of other animals. So surely observations of animal-sexuality includes homosexual behaviours thus revealing how it's anything but unnatural.
 
Homosexuality doesn't provide "evolutionary advantages" because Gay couple can't procreate. Unless you believe that Death is an "advantage".

Also, Gays have a shorter life span because Anal Sex not only transmits AIDS but it brings on other related diseases which affect the body negatively.

Mormons? My Dad is a big "Muckity Muck" in the Mormon church in San Diego. We've had long discussions about the Church, it's Foundings and what they believe and what they do. What they are can only be described as Complete Lunacy.
 
Any and all sexual acts are capable of transmitting the HIV virus, along with any other means of fluid-exchange. Isn't just anal intercourse.

You should read the linked site. I tend to defer to institutions like Yale instead of some guy online. :)
 
Its certainly not just morms who teach hate. All religions are basically hate groups. They teach their followers to hate themselves and to hate others. I've always thought it odd that "christians" hate what their god created.

I watched an interesting ad really horrifying documentary last night about gay teens being brainwashed and abused by a religious group - a "pray the gay away" group that succeeded mostly in separating the gullible from a lot of money.

kidnapped
Kidnapped for Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Escuela Caribe was a boarding school for "troubled" teens near the mountain community of Jarabacoa in the Dominican Republic owned by Marion, Indiana-based New Horizons Youth Ministries, an evangelical organization. The school, founded by Gordon Blossom in 1971, was located on a 30-acre fenced campus and typically housed around 45 students at one time.[5] The school's program was called "Culture Shock Therapy". According to former students of Escuela Caribe, they were subjected to a range of abuses including intense forced labor, physical beatings (called "swats"), and various forms of emotional abuse.

This place is closed now but there are still others who torment innocent kids and/or "troubled" teens There's a bill in congress, stalled of course, by the Rs, aimed at stopping this kind of brainwashing.

Of course homosexuality is natural. It wouldn't exist if it weren't and it certainly would not exist in such large numbers as it does and in all so-called "higher" animals.

Its a shame we can't just let people live their lives in peace. What harms no one and what takes place between consenting adults in no one's business.
 
Well, we have to be honest. Homosexuality does harm people. It harms the ignorant uptight folks who're insecure about their own sexuality. Since homosexuals are often open and honest about their approach to sex, it makes those that aren't uncomfortable. :)

The evolution of sexuality, and education about it in the US is fascinating. Was skimming a site earlier looking for some things I recalled reading about this and some of my notes include:

In 1970, the White House Commission on Pornography and Obscenity found no real harm in sexually explicit material. President Richard Nixon refused to issue the report.

A Victorian ethic dominated the country (1800-). Preachers and health advocates, like Sylvester Graham and John Kellogg, promoted a fear of sexual excesses, such as sex before age 30 or more than once in three years, and a paranoia about the dangers of masturbation.
The International Encyclopedia of Sexuality: United States of America

Knew Kellogg was a prude as per that Matthew Broderick movie featuring him but I had no idea how prudish. :) Not before 30, and then just once every 3 years? Thought we had it bad right now but geez. :)
 
Well, we have to be honest. Homosexuality does harm people. It harms the ignorant uptight folks who're insecure about their own sexuality. Since homosexuals are often open and honest about their approach to sex, it makes those that aren't uncomfortable. :)

The evolution of sexuality, and education about it in the US is fascinating. Was skimming a site earlier looking for some things I recalled reading about this and some of my notes include:

In 1970, the White House Commission on Pornography and Obscenity found no real harm in sexually explicit material. President Richard Nixon refused to issue the report.

A Victorian ethic dominated the country (1800-). Preachers and health advocates, like Sylvester Graham and John Kellogg, promoted a fear of sexual excesses, such as sex before age 30 or more than once in three years, and a paranoia about the dangers of masturbation.
The International Encyclopedia of Sexuality: United States of America

Knew Kellogg was a prude as per that Matthew Broderick movie featuring him but I had no idea how prudish. :) Not before 30, and then just once every 3 years? Thought we had it bad right now but geez. :)

People have the choice NOT to be ignorant and uptight. Yeah, I know that for some, it would be darned near impossible to be open minded and educated but, still, it really is a choice.

Nixon was a prude. So was Kellogg. And, Reagan refused to even say "AIDS".

That closed-minded ignorance has killed thousands.
 
A Victorian ethic dominated the country (1800-). Preachers and health advocates, like Sylvester Graham and John Kellogg, promoted a fear of sexual excesses, such as sex before age 30 or more than once in three years, and a paranoia about the dangers of masturbation.
The International Encyclopedia of Sexuality: United States of America

There are still plenty of people who believe masturbation is bad, wrong, evil ... And, they are, for the most part, religious nutters.
 
I still allow for the possibility AIDS was engineered by the Reagan-era military. That it showed up first in homosexuals in the time the radical right and Christian moral majority were at the height of their power is suspicious. Especially then with how reluctant the federal government was to get involved in figuring it out. Wasn't until it started showing up in the hetereosexual population that anything good happened. Wouldn't be the first time the government deliberately infected people with an STI.
 
Well, we have to be honest. Homosexuality does harm people. It harms the ignorant uptight folks who're insecure about their own sexuality. Since homosexuals are often open and honest about their approach to sex, it makes those that aren't uncomfortable. :)

The evolution of sexuality, and education about it in the US is fascinating. Was skimming a site earlier looking for some things I recalled reading about this and some of my notes include:

In 1970, the White House Commission on Pornography and Obscenity found no real harm in sexually explicit material. President Richard Nixon refused to issue the report.

A Victorian ethic dominated the country (1800-). Preachers and health advocates, like Sylvester Graham and John Kellogg, promoted a fear of sexual excesses, such as sex before age 30 or more than once in three years, and a paranoia about the dangers of masturbation.
The International Encyclopedia of Sexuality: United States of America

Knew Kellogg was a prude as per that Matthew Broderick movie featuring him but I had no idea how prudish. :) Not before 30, and then just once every 3 years? Thought we had it bad right now but geez. :)

People have the choice NOT to be ignorant and uptight. Yeah, I know that for some, it would be darned near impossible to be open minded and educated but, still, it really is a choice.

Nixon was a prude. So was Kellogg. And, Reagan refused to even say "AIDS".

That closed-minded ignorance has killed thousands.

What was Clintons problem?

Joycelyn Elders

In 1994, she was invited to speak at a United Nations conference on AIDS. She was asked whether it would be appropriate to promote masturbation as a means of preventing young people from engaging in riskier forms of sexual activity, and she replied, "I think that it is part of human sexuality, and perhaps it should be taught." This remark caused great controversy[citation needed] and resulted in Elders losing the support of the White House. White House chief of staff Leon Panetta remarked, "There have been too many areas where the President does not agree with her views. This is just one too many."[1] Elders was fired by President Clinton in December 1994.[1][7]

Joycelyn Elders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Yale Scientific Magazine ? Do Animals Exhibit Homosexuality?

"Biologists Nathan W. Bailey and Marlene Zuk from the University of California, Riverside have investigated the evolutionary consequences and implications of same-sex behavior, and their findings demonstrate benefits to what seems to be an evolutionary paradox. For example, their studies of the Laysan albatross show that female-female pairing can increase fitness by taking advantage of the excess of females and shortage of males in the population and provide superior care for offspring. Moreover, same-sex pairing in many species actually alleviates the likelihood of divorce and curtails the pressure on the opposite sex by allowing members to exhibit more flexibility to form partnerships, which in turn strengthens social bonds and reduces competition. Thus, not only do animals exhibit homosexuality, but the existence of this behavior is quite prevalent and may also confer certain evolutionary advantages."

By definition, anything other animals do is 'natural.' So because an estimated 10% of animals [figure from above link] exhibit some degree of homosexuality, it must be concluded to be natural.

Why some religions traditionally decry it as unnatural might be revealed in this statement from another source,

"The role of polygyny in the church is a source of some embarrassment to mainstream modern-day Mormons, who may discuss the practice somewhat wryly as a revelation designed to build the church population at a time when they literally had to forge new communities under hardship."
The International Encyclopedia of Sexuality: United States of America
[Search down to LDS]

The premise homosexuality is unnatural then may have evolved out of a concern of reducing church memberships. In the above section discussing the unique role of LDS' sexuality, it mentions how Mormon youth growing up learn about sex mostly from observations of other animals. So surely observations of animal-sexuality includes homosexual behaviours thus revealing how it's anything but unnatural.

A dog will hump your leg in public, without asking your permission. Does this mean rape is natural?
 
Natural or Unnatural is irrelevant. Homosexuality is IMMORAL which is the only standard one needs to consider when determining whether an idea or action is to be accepted or rejected.

Just as one can find species in the animal kingdom which are matriarchal in social structure doesn't mean human women have any place making decisions or bring in charge.
 
Any and all sexual acts are capable of transmitting the HIV virus, along with any other means of fluid-exchange. Isn't just anal intercourse.

You should read the linked site. I tend to defer to institutions like Yale instead of some guy online. :)
Some guy online: The OP.

Check out some of the comments in yer link:

total bs…ascribing human qualities to non human creatures.That`s called anthropomorphism. Men in Europe used to walk arm in arm down the street.They weren`t gay. Women kissed each other on the lips. They weren`t gay. This article reeks of political correctness and gay agenda.
Homosexuality is found in the Animal Kingdom therefore it's ok.

Hey OP I saw animals on YouTube videos eating their young. Not just the newborns either. You think it's ok for Humans to eat Babies?

It's in Nature.
 
I'm sure that'd be a REAL good Defense in Court for anyone who kills their baby.

"I didn't kill my baby, I was EATING it. Animals do it in Nature all the time!"
 
Hey OP, I'm REALLY uncomfortable with people who eat their babies. Or anyones' baby for that matter.

But what I'm beginning to understand, with the help of Liberals here, is that I'm just covering up my own desire to eat babies. I hadn't realized that before, until I read this thread.

I know that I can't just jump in and start eating babies right away because it's probably an acquired taste. But hey, I don't wanna' "knock it till I've tried it" right?

So I figger I should start small, maybe visit an abortion clinic and look at the dead babies there. Maybe start eating a few placentas.

What do you think OP?
 
Yale Scientific Magazine ? Do Animals Exhibit Homosexuality?

"Biologists Nathan W. Bailey and Marlene Zuk from the University of California, Riverside have investigated the evolutionary consequences and implications of same-sex behavior, and their findings demonstrate benefits to what seems to be an evolutionary paradox. For example, their studies of the Laysan albatross show that female-female pairing can increase fitness by taking advantage of the excess of females and shortage of males in the population and provide superior care for offspring. Moreover, same-sex pairing in many species actually alleviates the likelihood of divorce and curtails the pressure on the opposite sex by allowing members to exhibit more flexibility to form partnerships, which in turn strengthens social bonds and reduces competition. Thus, not only do animals exhibit homosexuality, but the existence of this behavior is quite prevalent and may also confer certain evolutionary advantages."

By definition, anything other animals do is 'natural.' So because an estimated 10% of animals [figure from above link] exhibit some degree of homosexuality, it must be concluded to be natural.

Why some religions traditionally decry it as unnatural might be revealed in this statement from another source,

"The role of polygyny in the church is a source of some embarrassment to mainstream modern-day Mormons, who may discuss the practice somewhat wryly as a revelation designed to build the church population at a time when they literally had to forge new communities under hardship."
The International Encyclopedia of Sexuality: United States of America
[Search down to LDS]

The premise homosexuality is unnatural then may have evolved out of a concern of reducing church memberships. In the above section discussing the unique role of LDS' sexuality, it mentions how Mormon youth growing up learn about sex mostly from observations of other animals. So surely observations of animal-sexuality includes homosexual behaviours thus revealing how it's anything but unnatural.

A dog will hump your leg in public, without asking your permission. Does this mean rape is natural?

Yes, rape is completely natural. Ever watch morning doves or starlings "mate?' Have seen personally 7 male morning doves 'gangbanging' a female. If that's not attesting to the normalcy of rape in nature I don't know what standard to use.

The difference though that seperates people from other animals is our capacity to know what's harmful and should thus be forbidden by laws, or morals, or culture. It's normal to pee and poop. But that doesn't then mean it'd be normal and acceptable to do so on a busy street.
 
Hey OP, I'm REALLY uncomfortable with people who eat their babies. Or anyones' baby for that matter.

But what I'm beginning to understand, with the help of Liberals here, is that I'm just covering up my own desire to eat babies. I hadn't realized that before, until I read this thread.

I know that I can't just jump in and start eating babies right away because it's probably an acquired taste. But hey, I don't wanna' "knock it till I've tried it" right?

So I figger I should start small, maybe visit an abortion clinic and look at the dead babies there. Maybe start eating a few placentas.

What do you think OP?

It's clearly a phobia of some kind.
 
I just saw a YouTube video of two chinchillas and one of them had chewed the leg off the other.

You think I should chew my Wifes' leg off? It's Nature so we know it's ok.
 

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