Hitler and the right

[regent]

Fascism and communism are not liberal beliefs, they are conservative beliefs.

too stupid by 1000%!!! Fascism, communism, liberalism, and monarchy are all based on big powerful central government.

Conservatism is 100% the exact opposite, it is about Jeffersonian freedom from big central government.

It is hard to imagine how stupid one would have to be to lack the IQ to grasp that simple point.

With Marxian communism there is no government, and no government is about as limited a government as a nation can get, and for some conservatives a dream come true. Maybe forget the IQ thing and read up a bit. If you do read up on Marx and communism you might discover that no country has ever practiced Marxian communism. The USSR never quite got to it and dropped the whole idea early on, perhaps somewhere around 1921, replacing Marx's first stage with the NEP. Later, Stalin will even drop the NEP. But here's a question for you as you read, if the USSR did not practice Marxian communism, what economic system did they end up practcing?

 

[thanatos144]

One of the greatest tragedies is that people let the left paint their socialist failures as right wing when history clearly shows it is the left wing steeped in hate and killing.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

if the USSR did not practice Marxian communism, what economic system did they end up practcing?

communism of course!! this is why our liberals spied for Stalin and were hung!!

For example, who can forget his infamous 1984 quote that the communist system in the former Soviet Union was superior to capitalism because, according to Galbraith, the communists somehow made better and more efficient use of its "manpower" than did the West? Indeed, to the very end, Galbraith was a socialist impersonating an economist.


John Kenneth Galbraith, an intellectual icon of the Old Left and New Left, said of the Soviets’ overtaking of Poland after World War II: “Russia should be permitted to absorb Poland, the Balkans, and the whole of Eastern Europe in order to spread the benefits of Communism” (Emphasis added).

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

One of the greatest tragedies is that people let the left paint their socialist failures as right wing when history clearly shows it is the left wing steeped in hate and killing.

yes when communist big government turns into tyranny just as Jefferson said it would the brain dead liberals then call it right-wing!!!

It is too stupid to imagine, but then most of human history is merely about stupid people using one excuse after another to follow a genocidal liberal's big government schemes.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Doubt that Hitler had the support of the conservative right wing?

1. "Hitler found his greatest support in traditionally conservative small towns. He campaigned with attacks on Marxism, making it clear that by Marxism he meant the Social Democrats. Hitler appealed to morality, attacking free love and what he inferred was the immorality of Berlin and some other major cities. He promised to stamp out big city corruption. He called for a spiritual revolution, for a "positive Christianity" and a spirit of national pride. Hitler repeatedly called for national renewal. He and his National Socialists benefited from the recent upheaval in the Soviet Union and the rise in fear and disgust for Bolshevism. His party's posters read:

If you want your country to go Bolshevik, vote Communist. If you want to remain free Germans, vote for the National Socialists."

Hitler and Germany: 1928 to 1935

2. Neville Chamberlain, appeaser in chief, after the Sudetenland was handed over to Hitler, "But the Conservative leader has always expressed his desire to find a peaceful solution to the Fuehrer's wish to create a new - and enlarged - German homeland in Europe."

BBC ON THIS DAY | 30 | 1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain

3. The French right admired Hitler, "When Socialists and Communists formed a Popular front Government in 1936 there were many French conservatives who boldly announced that Hitler was preferrable to the leadership of the French socialist Leon Blum."

Road to War

4. "right-to-work" anti-labor conservatives were also pro-Hitler. "There were a mulitude of other racists jumping on the Fascist bandwagon. Joseph P. Kamp printed over two million copies of his anti-labor pamphlet, "Join the C.I.O. and Help Build a Soviet America" which he advertised with the Ku Klux Klan. Millionaire John Kirby in Houston began publishing the anti-black, anti-labor Christian American in support of "right to work" legislation"

Support for Hitler (or Fascism) in the United States | Radical Reference

5. Foreshadowing Republican views on the Clinton being concerned about bin laden as a distraction from Lewinsky, "The former president, Herbert Hoover, had become the Republican Party's chief spokesman in foreign affairs, and when Germany seized Moravia and Bohemia, Hoover declared that no clear and present danger existed and that Britain, France and others in Europe would be able to defend themselves should there be war. Hoover spoke of Roosevelt's "dangerous adventures" and argued that Roosevelt was trying to divert people's attention from his failure to end the depression"

The United States, War Preparation, China, and Jewish Immigration: 1938-39

Hitler was a totalitarian lunatic - he only didn't murder Jews, he murdered just about anyone who was a potential threat to his cult of personality - including Catholics....

Also - Stalin was no better - as a matter of fact he killed more than Hitler 6X more than Hitler, but Stalin is considered left??

The only difference between Stalin and Hitler was the mustache...

 

[wayne]

"The former president, Herbert Hoover, had become the Republican Party's chief spokesman in foreign affairs, and when Germany seized Moravia and Bohemia, Hoover declared that no clear and present danger existed [/url]

You are distorting history. In the thirties the people of America were desperate to stay out of a foreign war. Hover’s opinion was mainstream. The same people who in their youth were in the majority in opposing WWII were in the minority when they starting demonstrating against the war in Vietnam.
It appears that liberals have a preference for totalitarian government.

 

[regent]

if the USSR did not practice Marxian communism, what economic system did they end up practcing?

communism of course!! this is why our liberals spied for Stalin and were hung!!

For example, who can forget his infamous 1984 quote that the communist system in the former Soviet Union was superior to capitalism because, according to Galbraith, the communists somehow made better and more efficient use of its "manpower" than did the West? Indeed, to the very end, Galbraith was a socialist impersonating an economist.


John Kenneth Galbraith, an intellectual icon of the Old Left and New Left, said of the Soviets’ overtaking of Poland after World War II: “Russia should be permitted to absorb Poland, the Balkans, and the whole of Eastern Europe in order to spread the benefits of Communism” (Emphasis added).

So is the definition of communism whatever people want to call it or was it a political/economic system that Marx defined? If communism is whatever we want to call it it correct to call the Republican party communist, or does the word just have no meaning?

 

[ERGO]

Fascism vs Communism vs Totalitarianism

There are various political and economic ideologies in the world such as capitalism, socialism, fascism, communism and totalitarianism. There was a time when these ideologies were in force in different countries of the world. The world was divided along several lines because of these ideologies. It was the breakup of the communist Soviet Union in the eighties and the beginning of a revolution called internet that has brought about a sea change in the geo political conditions of the world. Ideologies have melted with free flow of information and no country today can be said to be following a particular ideology in the strictest sense of the word. This is because of the intense desire of the countries to be in the mainstream and also to take maximum advantage of economic liberalization. However, it is important to know the differences between different ideologies and this article intends to clarify fascism, communism and totalitarianism.

Fascism

This ideology where nation or race is kept above everything else originated in Mussolini’s Italy and later spread to Germany where Adolf Hitler led to the downfall of his nation and plunged the world into World War II because of his thinking that Nazi was the most superior race and that it was meant to rule the world. Fascism makes use of state machinery for false propaganda and censorship to suppress political opposition. In fascism, state is supreme and absolute, and individuals and groups are only relative. Political analysts consider fascism to be on the far right of the political spectrum. Contrary to popular belief, fascism opposes communism, democracy, liberalism, conservatism, and even capitalism. Fascists believe in war and violence as they think that these help in national regeneration and supremacy over other nations.

Communism

Communism is one ideology that is still popular in some parts of the world though it has got much diluted after the demise of Soviet Union in the eighties. The erstwhile breakaway republics of USSR today have leanings towards capitalism as they are impressed by the progress western countries have made.

Communism aims for a classless society where everyone is equal, and even the state is redundant. This is an ideal scenario which is not possible to achieve hence communism can never be perfect. It believes in common ownership and free access to articles of consumption. Communism does not believe in private property and even profit of the individual.

There are many who think that socialism and communism are same but according to Marx, socialism is only the beginning to a long march towards communism.

Totalitarianism

Totalitarianism is an ideology that believes in total political power to be in the hands of a single person, or a particular class. This political system does not recognize the rights of the individuals and places no restrictions on the authority of the state. This is akin to personality cultism where the charisma of a single person works upon the masses through false propaganda and ruthless use of brute state power. Other means to suppress any opposition are state terrorism, mass surveillance and restriction of speech and liberty of action. This political system is close to authoritarianism and dictatorship but falls short of both.

Summary

Fascism has its roots in the superiority of a person or a class and is closer to totalitarianism but communism is different from both these ideologies as it believes in a class less and stateless society. Fascism and totalitarianism on the other hand believe in unbridled power in the hands of a person or class and believe in restriction of thinking and action of the individuals in the society.

source link:http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-fascism-and-vs-communism-and-vs-totalitarianism/

 

[thanatos144]

Communism and socialism and all progressive ideologies are fascist.....Thats just historical fact no mater how many time all you progressive liars try to spin it otherwise.

 

[ERGO]

Communism and socialism and all progressive ideologies are fascist.....Thats just historical fact no mater how many time all you progressive liars try to spin it otherwise.

Communism is different from Socialism and neither ideologies are Fascist in their ideology and your stating that "Communism and socialism and all progressive ideologies are fascist" just shows you are ignorant and you don't know the difference between them. I don't know what your source for historical knowledge is, but I can assure you that it is wrong.

I cite the differences between them in the post previous to yours, included is a video.

 

[thanatos144]

Communism and socialism and all progressive ideologies are fascist.....Thats just historical fact no mater how many time all you progressive liars try to spin it otherwise.

Communism is different from Socialism and neither ideologies are Fascist in their ideology and your stating that "Communism and socialism and all progressive ideologies are fascist" just shows you are ignorant and you don't know the difference between them. I don't know what your source for historical knowledge is, but I can assure you that it is wrong.

I cite the differences between them in the post previous to yours, included is a video.

Nether are facist huh? Except giant central government forcing people to do what they want must something other then facism? Lol every time you idiot progressive ideologies is used it is Jain facism. No mater what your guru told you socialism and communism are facist.

 

[Wiseacre]

I always thought fascism was the political system where the gov't does not have ownership of the means of production but controls it nonetheless. Individual rights are subordinate to the state, which means it is a far left ideology. The extreme far right is anarchy, no gov't at all. From there you have libertarianism, limited gov't and as much individual rights as possible.

 

[regent]

What these boards indicate is that few classes on comparative economics and comparative political systems are taught on the high school level. To teach them could bring all sorts of problems to the schools and administrators. Add to that, most students would not be interested in those topics. Nope, best let well enough alone and let people learn that material from their politicial party and others.
But there are a number of small booklets written on political ideologies and most available.

 

[Bfgrn]

I always thought fascism was the political system where the gov't does not have ownership of the means of production but controls it nonetheless. Individual rights are subordinate to the state, which means it is a far left ideology. The extreme far right is anarchy, no gov't at all. From there you have libertarianism, limited gov't and as much individual rights as possible.

Except that the anarchism in America during the 20th century was a radical left-wing ideology. Mainly during the 1960's and 70's. The philosophies which posit a future society in which private property is replaced by reciprocity and non-hierarchical society.

Those are NOT conservative beliefs. Conservatives put property above people and strongly believe in a hierarchical society.

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

 

[thanatos144]

Hitler was a socialist....The left want socialism....Socialism is just another form of fascism....Thus the left are fascists...It is simple 1+1+1=3

 

[Wiseacre]

I always thought fascism was the political system where the gov't does not have ownership of the means of production but controls it nonetheless. Individual rights are subordinate to the state, which means it is a far left ideology. The extreme far right is anarchy, no gov't at all. From there you have libertarianism, limited gov't and as much individual rights as possible.

Except that the anarchism in America during the 20th century was a radical left-wing ideology. Mainly during the 1960's and 70's. The philosophies which posit a future society in which private property is replaced by reciprocity and non-hierarchical society.

Those are NOT conservative beliefs. Conservatives put property above people and strongly believe in a hierarchical society.

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

Leave it to a democratic speechwriter to spout bullshit. The idea that conservatives put property above people is an absolute fucking lie, spread by left wing ideological fools. And I don't think democrats give a flying fuck about people any more than the republicans do, as long as they can get their vote. Democrats want slaves, with no dignity, no self respect, no independence.

You are mistaken about the 60s and 70s, what was once called the counter culture. These people wanted no central gov't at all, total independence to do whatever they wanted. That is extreme far right ideology, not left.

 

[CandySlice]

Oh, that's right -- you're one of those "special" people who believes everything horrible comes from the right, and the ultimate leftist utopia is a unicorn in every meadow.

Projecting again? YOU are one of those "special" people who believes everything horrible comes from the left, and the ultimate rightist utopia is a unicorn in every meadow.

Not only are you profoundly ignorant of history, you're incapable of originality, too.

It is not my fault all highly authoritarian personalities are political conservatives. It is just a FACT of life.

Anyone who believes Castro, Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Mao, and Pol Pot are on the right is too stupid to breath on his own.

Or are you saying they're not highly authoritarian?

Either way, you're astoundingly wrong.

Im appalled at these people's absolutely intolerable abscence of historic knowledge. What ARE they teaching in schools these days..... Or is that the problem....they never attended?

 

[CandySlice]

I always thought fascism was the political system where the gov't does not have ownership of the means of production but controls it nonetheless. Individual rights are subordinate to the state, which means it is a far left ideology. The extreme far right is anarchy, no gov't at all. From there you have libertarianism, limited gov't and as much individual rights as possible.

Except that the anarchism in America during the 20th century was a radical left-wing ideology. Mainly during the 1960's and 70's. The philosophies which posit a future society in which private property is replaced by reciprocity and non-hierarchical society.

Those are NOT conservative beliefs. Conservatives put property above people and strongly believe in a hierarchical society.

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

Leave it to a democratic speechwriter to spout bullshit. The idea that conservatives put property above people is an absolute fucking lie, spread by left wing ideological fools. And I don't think democrats give a flying fuck about people any more than the republicans do, as long as they can get their vote. Democrats want slaves, with no dignity, no self respect, no independence.

You are mistaken about the 60s and 70s, what was once called the counter culture. These people wanted no central gov't at all, total independence to do whatever they wanted. That is extreme far right ideology, not left.

Im left with only one conclusion to draw here. You never lived through the 60's OR the 70's or if you did you must have been one clueless square.

There's something going on here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?

 

[Wiseacre]

Except that the anarchism in America during the 20th century was a radical left-wing ideology. Mainly during the 1960's and 70's. The philosophies which posit a future society in which private property is replaced by reciprocity and non-hierarchical society.

Those are NOT conservative beliefs. Conservatives put property above people and strongly believe in a hierarchical society.

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

Leave it to a democratic speechwriter to spout bullshit. The idea that conservatives put property above people is an absolute fucking lie, spread by left wing ideological fools. And I don't think democrats give a flying fuck about people any more than the republicans do, as long as they can get their vote. Democrats want slaves, with no dignity, no self respect, no independence.

You are mistaken about the 60s and 70s, what was once called the counter culture. These people wanted no central gov't at all, total independence to do whatever they wanted. That is extreme far right ideology, not left.

Im left with only one conclusion to draw here. You never lived through the 60's OR the 70's or if you did you must have been one clueless square.

There's something going on here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mr. Jones?

Why don't you can the crap and respond to the post. Tell you what, when I see bullshit like that, my BP goes up and patience goes down. BTW, I'm 64 and I was around. Also, who the hell is Mr Jones?

Bfrgn was wrong about the anti-establishment movement back then, some might've wanted some form of collectivism, but the way I remember it they mostly wanted no gov't at all.

 

[Bfgrn]

I always thought fascism was the political system where the gov't does not have ownership of the means of production but controls it nonetheless. Individual rights are subordinate to the state, which means it is a far left ideology. The extreme far right is anarchy, no gov't at all. From there you have libertarianism, limited gov't and as much individual rights as possible.

Except that the anarchism in America during the 20th century was a radical left-wing ideology. Mainly during the 1960's and 70's. The philosophies which posit a future society in which private property is replaced by reciprocity and non-hierarchical society.

Those are NOT conservative beliefs. Conservatives put property above people and strongly believe in a hierarchical society.

"Republicans care more about property, Democrats care more about people"
Ted Sorensen - President Kennedy's Special Counsel & Adviser, and primary speechwriter

Leave it to a democratic speechwriter to spout bullshit. The idea that conservatives put property above people is an absolute fucking lie, spread by left wing ideological fools. And I don't think democrats give a flying fuck about people any more than the republicans do, as long as they can get their vote. Democrats want slaves, with no dignity, no self respect, no independence.

You are mistaken about the 60s and 70s, what was once called the counter culture. These people wanted no central gov't at all, total independence to do whatever they wanted. That is extreme far right ideology, not left.

You can't be serious. The right wing mind is a wonder...I always 'wonder' where you come up with this shit. Ted Sorensen is right on the mark. And there are enough threads and posts on this board that PROVE conservatives put property before people.

Your false accusation that Democrats don't care about people ONLY tells us who and what YOU are. You can't accept that liberals DO put people first, because it would make you question yourself. And THAT will never happen. The right wing mind is infested with dogma, disdain and dismissal for anyone who isn't rich and materially wealthy.

But you take first prize for the moron of the year award...

Conservatives in the 60s and 70s...

The epicenter of conservatism...

Have you ever heard of a bleeding heart Republican?
Paul Craig Roberts - the father of Reaganomics