Hitler and the right

[Si modo]

Some folks can never grasp that there is fiscal conservatism and there is social conservatism. And, that a Classical Liberals are not one of the two.

And you are not a CL.

Actually, I am.

"Classical liberalism is a political ideology that advocates limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, individual liberties including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

 

[JakeStarkey]

You and the wikipedia definition are frauds.

Come on, give us something real then show us how you match it.

 

[Si modo]

You and the wikipedia definition are frauds.

Come on, give us something real then show us how you match it.

Sorry, you're not making much sense.

So, you'll have to clarify what your issue is.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You and the wikipedia definition are frauds.

Come on, give us something real then show us how you match it.

Sorry, you're not making much sense.

So, you'll have to clarify what your issue is.

Come on, Si Modo, wikipedia is not accepted by competent professionals or business folks or academics because folks like you or I can edit it.

For heaven's sake, I bet if you look on wikipedia you will have folks saying that Washington was libertarians.

So (1) give us a competent source that defines classical liberalism and (2) how you match it.

 

[Si modo]

You and the wikipedia definition are frauds.

Come on, give us something real then show us how you match it.

Sorry, you're not making much sense.

So, you'll have to clarify what your issue is.

Come on, Si Modo, wikipedia is not accepted by competent professionals or business folks or academics because folks like you or I can edit it.

For heaven's sake, I bet if you look on wikipedia you will have folks saying that Washington was libertarians.

So (1) give us a competent source that defines classical liberalism and (2) how you match it.

Okie doke.

Central to the classical liberalism of the nineteenth century is a commitment to the liberty of individual citizens. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of assembly were core commitments of classical liberalism, as was the underlying conception of the proper role of just government as the protection of liberties of individual citizens.​

Reference [1] in the wiki piece. Modern Political Philosophy (1999,) Richard Hudelson, p. 37-38

 

[koshergrl]

"
"Living With Hitler" attempts to answer these questions by looking at the experiences of German liberals -- namely the leaders of Germany's liberal Democratic Party -- during the twelve years of Hitler's rule.
It shows, first, that German liberals shared many beliefs with their Nazi rivals, and therefore favored some of Hitler's policies even as they opposed National Socialism in other respects. Like the Nazis, the liberals detested Communism and the Versailles Treaty, advocated a right to national self-determination for all ethnic Germans, and possessed nearly unbounded optimism toward science and technology. They supported the Third Reich's Keynesian response to the Great Depression, a moderately interventionist welfare state, and corporatist arrangement between capital and labor. In terms of women's issues, health care, and family policy, there were more than passing affinities between liberal and Nazi programs as well."

Liberals under Nazism: lessons for today? - Short Stack

 

[blackhawk]

The person who came the closest in this country to doing anything remotely Hitler like was FDR when he set up the internment camps for Japanese Americans.

Summary executions? Bread and water? Hangings in the compound? Shooting rifles for sport? Crematoria? Bone crushing machines? And so forth?

No honest historian from con to lib would piss on you to put out a fire.

You are familiar with the meaning of the word remotely are you not?

 

[edthecynic]

Sorry ravi...if anyone gives me the hitler feeling.... its obama.

Nah, MessiahRushie and Hitler were twin sons of different mothers.

The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.
Adolf Hitler

May 12, 2008
RUSH: I maintain that moderates and independents are Democrats. Because, by definition, if someone or some organization is not conservative, it's by definition going to be liberal, not moderate, not independent, it's going to be liberal

 

[Trajan]

Doubt that Hitler had the support of the conservative right wing?

1. "Hitler found his greatest support in traditionally conservative small towns. He campaigned with attacks on Marxism, making it clear that by Marxism he meant the Social Democrats. Hitler appealed to morality, attacking free love and what he inferred was the immorality of Berlin and some other major cities. He promised to stamp out big city corruption. He called for a spiritual revolution, for a "positive Christianity" and a spirit of national pride. Hitler repeatedly called for national renewal. He and his National Socialists benefited from the recent upheaval in the Soviet Union and the rise in fear and disgust for Bolshevism. His party's posters read:

If you want your country to go Bolshevik, vote Communist. If you want to remain free Germans, vote for the National Socialists."

Hitler and Germany: 1928 to 1935

2. Neville Chamberlain, appeaser in chief, after the Sudetenland was handed over to Hitler, "But the Conservative leader has always expressed his desire to find a peaceful solution to the Fuehrer's wish to create a new - and enlarged - German homeland in Europe."

BBC ON THIS DAY | 30 | 1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain

3. The French right admired Hitler, "When Socialists and Communists formed a Popular front Government in 1936 there were many French conservatives who boldly announced that Hitler was preferrable to the leadership of the French socialist Leon Blum."

Road to War

4. "right-to-work" anti-labor conservatives were also pro-Hitler. "There were a mulitude of other racists jumping on the Fascist bandwagon. Joseph P. Kamp printed over two million copies of his anti-labor pamphlet, "Join the C.I.O. and Help Build a Soviet America" which he advertised with the Ku Klux Klan. Millionaire John Kirby in Houston began publishing the anti-black, anti-labor Christian American in support of "right to work" legislation"

Support for Hitler (or Fascism) in the United States | Radical Reference

5. Foreshadowing Republican views on the Clinton being concerned about bin laden as a distraction from Lewinsky, "The former president, Herbert Hoover, had become the Republican Party's chief spokesman in foreign affairs, and when Germany seized Moravia and Bohemia, Hoover declared that no clear and present danger existed and that Britain, France and others in Europe would be able to defend themselves should there be war. Hoover spoke of Roosevelt's "dangerous adventures" and argued that Roosevelt was trying to divert people's attention from his failure to end the depression"

The United States, War Preparation, China, and Jewish Immigration: 1938-39

you forgot Preston Bush.....

 

[edthecynic]

Doubt that Hitler had the support of the conservative right wing?

1. "Hitler found his greatest support in traditionally conservative small towns. He campaigned with attacks on Marxism, making it clear that by Marxism he meant the Social Democrats. Hitler appealed to morality, attacking free love and what he inferred was the immorality of Berlin and some other major cities. He promised to stamp out big city corruption. He called for a spiritual revolution, for a "positive Christianity" and a spirit of national pride. Hitler repeatedly called for national renewal. He and his National Socialists benefited from the recent upheaval in the Soviet Union and the rise in fear and disgust for Bolshevism. His party's posters read:

If you want your country to go Bolshevik, vote Communist. If you want to remain free Germans, vote for the National Socialists."

Hitler and Germany: 1928 to 1935

2. Neville Chamberlain, appeaser in chief, after the Sudetenland was handed over to Hitler, "But the Conservative leader has always expressed his desire to find a peaceful solution to the Fuehrer's wish to create a new - and enlarged - German homeland in Europe."

BBC ON THIS DAY | 30 | 1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain

3. The French right admired Hitler, "When Socialists and Communists formed a Popular front Government in 1936 there were many French conservatives who boldly announced that Hitler was preferrable to the leadership of the French socialist Leon Blum."

Road to War

4. "right-to-work" anti-labor conservatives were also pro-Hitler. "There were a mulitude of other racists jumping on the Fascist bandwagon. Joseph P. Kamp printed over two million copies of his anti-labor pamphlet, "Join the C.I.O. and Help Build a Soviet America" which he advertised with the Ku Klux Klan. Millionaire John Kirby in Houston began publishing the anti-black, anti-labor Christian American in support of "right to work" legislation"

Support for Hitler (or Fascism) in the United States | Radical Reference

5. Foreshadowing Republican views on the Clinton being concerned about bin laden as a distraction from Lewinsky, "The former president, Herbert Hoover, had become the Republican Party's chief spokesman in foreign affairs, and when Germany seized Moravia and Bohemia, Hoover declared that no clear and present danger existed and that Britain, France and others in Europe would be able to defend themselves should there be war. Hoover spoke of Roosevelt's "dangerous adventures" and argued that Roosevelt was trying to divert people's attention from his failure to end the depression"

The United States, War Preparation, China, and Jewish Immigration: 1938-39

you forgot Preston Bush.....

It's Prescott Bush.

 

[Peach]

No historical comparison. I will try not write a long essay, here a a few important points :

1. Germany had, in the past chosen dictatorial leaders, i.e. Bismark, Note, "Blood & Iron".

2. Geography & topography; the Great Depression left a much higher percentage of Germans living without adequate food than Americans that suffered. Though living conditions were poor in the US, the number of farms, coastal lands and gardens kept many of those in the US fed, perhaps on a less than enjoyable diet, but still FED. Goods and services could be traded for food also. Now the work of FDR (hated by the right) comes in. There were massive relief efforts, FDR helped make the feel guilty. Some opposed to him did likewise, aiding their countrymen in order to compete.

3. Lebensraum: not a concept conceived in the 1920's or even in the 20th century, some Germans had long held hopes of Empire, and the desire for Anschluss began long before Hitler also.

3. Hindenburg was weak, the opposition splintered to a degree the US has yet to experience.

Conclusion, comparing the US to post WWI, pre WWII Germany, is ridiculous.

 

[Dr.House]

You and the wikipedia definition are frauds.

Come on, give us something real then show us how you match it.

Sorry, you're not making much sense.

So, you'll have to clarify what your issue is.

Come on, Si Modo, wikipedia is not accepted by competent professionals or business folks or academics because folks like you or I can edit it.

So why would you source it previously in other threads?

 

[del]

Sorry, you're not making much sense.

So, you'll have to clarify what your issue is.

Come on, Si Modo, wikipedia is not accepted by competent professionals or business folks or academics because folks like you or I can edit it.

So why would you source it previously in other threads?

because he's an asshat

 

[Political Junky]

Doubt that Hitler had the support of the conservative right wing?

1. "Hitler found his greatest support in traditionally conservative small towns. He campaigned with attacks on Marxism, making it clear that by Marxism he meant the Social Democrats. Hitler appealed to morality, attacking free love and what he inferred was the immorality of Berlin and some other major cities. He promised to stamp out big city corruption. He called for a spiritual revolution, for a "positive Christianity" and a spirit of national pride. Hitler repeatedly called for national renewal. He and his National Socialists benefited from the recent upheaval in the Soviet Union and the rise in fear and disgust for Bolshevism. His party's posters read:

If you want your country to go Bolshevik, vote Communist. If you want to remain free Germans, vote for the National Socialists."

Hitler and Germany: 1928 to 1935

2. Neville Chamberlain, appeaser in chief, after the Sudetenland was handed over to Hitler, "But the Conservative leader has always expressed his desire to find a peaceful solution to the Fuehrer's wish to create a new - and enlarged - German homeland in Europe."

BBC ON THIS DAY | 30 | 1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain

3. The French right admired Hitler, "When Socialists and Communists formed a Popular front Government in 1936 there were many French conservatives who boldly announced that Hitler was preferrable to the leadership of the French socialist Leon Blum."

Road to War

4. "right-to-work" anti-labor conservatives were also pro-Hitler. "There were a mulitude of other racists jumping on the Fascist bandwagon. Joseph P. Kamp printed over two million copies of his anti-labor pamphlet, "Join the C.I.O. and Help Build a Soviet America" which he advertised with the Ku Klux Klan. Millionaire John Kirby in Houston began publishing the anti-black, anti-labor Christian American in support of "right to work" legislation"

Support for Hitler (or Fascism) in the United States | Radical Reference

5. Foreshadowing Republican views on the Clinton being concerned about bin laden as a distraction from Lewinsky, "The former president, Herbert Hoover, had become the Republican Party's chief spokesman in foreign affairs, and when Germany seized Moravia and Bohemia, Hoover declared that no clear and present danger existed and that Britain, France and others in Europe would be able to defend themselves should there be war. Hoover spoke of Roosevelt's "dangerous adventures" and argued that Roosevelt was trying to divert people's attention from his failure to end the depression"

The United States, War Preparation, China, and Jewish Immigration: 1938-39

you forgot Preston Bush.....

It's Prescott Bush.

Yes, he got some heavy fines for helping Hitler, didn't he?

 

[Dr.House]

Come on, Si Modo, wikipedia is not accepted by competent professionals or business folks or academics because folks like you or I can edit it.

So why would you source it previously in other threads?

because he's an asshat

Well, yeah....

but......








Never mind... Asshat works....

 

[Trajan]

Doubt that Hitler had the support of the conservative right wing?

1. "Hitler found his greatest support in traditionally conservative small towns. He campaigned with attacks on Marxism, making it clear that by Marxism he meant the Social Democrats. Hitler appealed to morality, attacking free love and what he inferred was the immorality of Berlin and some other major cities. He promised to stamp out big city corruption. He called for a spiritual revolution, for a "positive Christianity" and a spirit of national pride. Hitler repeatedly called for national renewal. He and his National Socialists benefited from the recent upheaval in the Soviet Union and the rise in fear and disgust for Bolshevism. His party's posters read:

If you want your country to go Bolshevik, vote Communist. If you want to remain free Germans, vote for the National Socialists."

Hitler and Germany: 1928 to 1935

2. Neville Chamberlain, appeaser in chief, after the Sudetenland was handed over to Hitler, "But the Conservative leader has always expressed his desire to find a peaceful solution to the Fuehrer's wish to create a new - and enlarged - German homeland in Europe."

BBC ON THIS DAY | 30 | 1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain

3. The French right admired Hitler, "When Socialists and Communists formed a Popular front Government in 1936 there were many French conservatives who boldly announced that Hitler was preferrable to the leadership of the French socialist Leon Blum."

Road to War

4. "right-to-work" anti-labor conservatives were also pro-Hitler. "There were a mulitude of other racists jumping on the Fascist bandwagon. Joseph P. Kamp printed over two million copies of his anti-labor pamphlet, "Join the C.I.O. and Help Build a Soviet America" which he advertised with the Ku Klux Klan. Millionaire John Kirby in Houston began publishing the anti-black, anti-labor Christian American in support of "right to work" legislation"

Support for Hitler (or Fascism) in the United States | Radical Reference

5. Foreshadowing Republican views on the Clinton being concerned about bin laden as a distraction from Lewinsky, "The former president, Herbert Hoover, had become the Republican Party's chief spokesman in foreign affairs, and when Germany seized Moravia and Bohemia, Hoover declared that no clear and present danger existed and that Britain, France and others in Europe would be able to defend themselves should there be war. Hoover spoke of Roosevelt's "dangerous adventures" and argued that Roosevelt was trying to divert people's attention from his failure to end the depression"

The United States, War Preparation, China, and Jewish Immigration: 1938-39

you forgot Preston Bush.....

It's Prescott Bush.

I knew some moonbat would look it up.....and Joe Kennedy? or is he a stretch for you?

 

[Si modo]

Pol Pot and the left.

Jebus, Ravs.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Doubt that Hitler had the support of the conservative right wing?

1. "Hitler found his greatest support in traditionally conservative small towns. He campaigned with attacks on Marxism, making it clear that by Marxism he meant the Social Democrats. Hitler appealed to morality, attacking free love and what he inferred was the immorality of Berlin and some other major cities. He promised to stamp out big city corruption. He called for a spiritual revolution, for a "positive Christianity" and a spirit of national pride. Hitler repeatedly called for national renewal. He and his National Socialists benefited from the recent upheaval in the Soviet Union and the rise in fear and disgust for Bolshevism. His party's posters read:

If you want your country to go Bolshevik, vote Communist. If you want to remain free Germans, vote for the National Socialists."

Hitler and Germany: 1928 to 1935

2. Neville Chamberlain, appeaser in chief, after the Sudetenland was handed over to Hitler, "But the Conservative leader has always expressed his desire to find a peaceful solution to the Fuehrer's wish to create a new - and enlarged - German homeland in Europe."

BBC ON THIS DAY | 30 | 1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain

3. The French right admired Hitler, "When Socialists and Communists formed a Popular front Government in 1936 there were many French conservatives who boldly announced that Hitler was preferrable to the leadership of the French socialist Leon Blum."

Road to War

4. "right-to-work" anti-labor conservatives were also pro-Hitler. "There were a mulitude of other racists jumping on the Fascist bandwagon. Joseph P. Kamp printed over two million copies of his anti-labor pamphlet, "Join the C.I.O. and Help Build a Soviet America" which he advertised with the Ku Klux Klan. Millionaire John Kirby in Houston began publishing the anti-black, anti-labor Christian American in support of "right to work" legislation"

Support for Hitler (or Fascism) in the United States | Radical Reference

5. Foreshadowing Republican views on the Clinton being concerned about bin laden as a distraction from Lewinsky, "The former president, Herbert Hoover, had become the Republican Party's chief spokesman in foreign affairs, and when Germany seized Moravia and Bohemia, Hoover declared that no clear and present danger existed and that Britain, France and others in Europe would be able to defend themselves should there be war. Hoover spoke of Roosevelt's "dangerous adventures" and argued that Roosevelt was trying to divert people's attention from his failure to end the depression"

The United States, War Preparation, China, and Jewish Immigration: 1938-39

This guy certainly sounds like a reliable source.

In 1963 I entered U.C.L.A. as a junior, majoring in sociology. Upper division work in sociology I found too abstract. I shifted to the greater specificity of history while remaining associated with the University of California at the U.C.
With the little money that I had saved and an inheritance from the sale of a modest piece of property between Los Angeles and Palmdale I continued traveling, to Europe again, Eastern Europe, across the Soviet Union, to Japan and the South Seas. Always getting my job back when I returned to Berkeley.
I left Berkeley in 1973, and, to satisfy the insistence of my Ph.D. candidate wife, I graduated from California State University, East Bay -- at the age of forty-three -- with Dean's List honors and a B.A. in History. One of my professors tried to acquire a scholarship for me from his Alma Mater, Stanford, but without success, and I had to go back to earning a living.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Christ, you Godwined your own thread... IN THE TITLE!

I knew someone would notice that. Congratulations on being the first.

 

[Si modo]

Doubt that Hitler had the support of the conservative right wing?

1. "Hitler found his greatest support in traditionally conservative small towns. He campaigned with attacks on Marxism, making it clear that by Marxism he meant the Social Democrats. Hitler appealed to morality, attacking free love and what he inferred was the immorality of Berlin and some other major cities. He promised to stamp out big city corruption. He called for a spiritual revolution, for a "positive Christianity" and a spirit of national pride. Hitler repeatedly called for national renewal. He and his National Socialists benefited from the recent upheaval in the Soviet Union and the rise in fear and disgust for Bolshevism. His party's posters read:

If you want your country to go Bolshevik, vote Communist. If you want to remain free Germans, vote for the National Socialists."

Hitler and Germany: 1928 to 1935

2. Neville Chamberlain, appeaser in chief, after the Sudetenland was handed over to Hitler, "But the Conservative leader has always expressed his desire to find a peaceful solution to the Fuehrer's wish to create a new - and enlarged - German homeland in Europe."

BBC ON THIS DAY | 30 | 1938: 'Peace for our time' - Chamberlain

3. The French right admired Hitler, "When Socialists and Communists formed a Popular front Government in 1936 there were many French conservatives who boldly announced that Hitler was preferrable to the leadership of the French socialist Leon Blum."

Road to War

4. "right-to-work" anti-labor conservatives were also pro-Hitler. "There were a mulitude of other racists jumping on the Fascist bandwagon. Joseph P. Kamp printed over two million copies of his anti-labor pamphlet, "Join the C.I.O. and Help Build a Soviet America" which he advertised with the Ku Klux Klan. Millionaire John Kirby in Houston began publishing the anti-black, anti-labor Christian American in support of "right to work" legislation"

Support for Hitler (or Fascism) in the United States | Radical Reference

5. Foreshadowing Republican views on the Clinton being concerned about bin laden as a distraction from Lewinsky, "The former president, Herbert Hoover, had become the Republican Party's chief spokesman in foreign affairs, and when Germany seized Moravia and Bohemia, Hoover declared that no clear and present danger existed and that Britain, France and others in Europe would be able to defend themselves should there be war. Hoover spoke of Roosevelt's "dangerous adventures" and argued that Roosevelt was trying to divert people's attention from his failure to end the depression"

The United States, War Preparation, China, and Jewish Immigration: 1938-39

This guy certainly sounds like a reliable source.

In 1963 I entered U.C.L.A. as a junior, majoring in sociology. Upper division work in sociology I found too abstract. I shifted to the greater specificity of history while remaining associated with the University of California at the U.C.
With the little money that I had saved and an inheritance from the sale of a modest piece of property between Los Angeles and Palmdale I continued traveling, to Europe again, Eastern Europe, across the Soviet Union, to Japan and the South Seas. Always getting my job back when I returned to Berkeley.
I left Berkeley in 1973, and, to satisfy the insistence of my Ph.D. candidate wife, I graduated from California State University, East Bay -- at the age of forty-three -- with Dean's List honors and a B.A. in History. One of my professors tried to acquire a scholarship for me from his Alma Mater, Stanford, but without success, and I had to go back to earning a living.