Hitler and the right

[Papageorgio]

Hitler and his love for Progressives and eugenics, is well documented, President Wilson was a big supporter of eugenics and his racist attitude was well known.

That said, Hitler used whatever he could to get power, he was a mix of various ideologies, whatever he could to advance his agenda. He used racism and fear to get his agenda pushed through. I look at both parties and their recent tactics and Hitler would approve of both parties tactics.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Come on, Si Modo, wikipedia is not accepted by competent professionals or business folks or academics because folks like you or I can edit it.

So why would you source it previously in other threads?

because he's an asshat

Says neg asshat himself

Here, educate yourselves. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/ Under 2.1 we read,

Although classical liberals agree on the fundamental importance of private property to a free society, the classical liberal tradition itself refracts into a spectrum of views, from near-anarchist to those that attribute a significant role to the state in economic and social policy (on this spectrum, see Mack and Gaus, 2004). Towards the most extreme ‘libertarian’ end of the classical liberal spectrum are views of justified states as legitimate monopolies that may with justice charge for their necessary rights-protection services: taxation is legitimate so long as it is necessary to protect liberty and property rights. As we go further ‘leftward’ we encounter classical liberal views that allow taxation for (other) public goods and social infrastructure and, moving yet further ‘left’, some classical liberal views allow for a modest social minimum.(e.g., Hayek, 1976: 87). Most nineteenth century classical liberal economists endorsed a variety of state policies, encompassing not only the criminal law and enforcement of contracts, but the licensing of professionals, health, safety and fire regulations, banking regulations, commercial infrastructure (roads, harbors and canals) and often encouraged unionization (Gaus, 1983b). Although today classical liberalism is often associated with extreme forms of libertarianism, the classical liberal tradition was centrally concerned with bettering the lot of the working class. The aim, as Bentham put it, was to make the poor richer, not the rich poorer (Bentham, 1952 [1795]: vol. 1, 226n). Consequently, classical liberals reject the redistribution of wealth as a legitimate aim of government.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So why would you source it previously in other threads?

because he's an asshat

Says neg asshat himself

Here, educate yourselves. Liberalism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) Under 2.1 we read,

Although classical liberals agree on the fundamental importance of private property to a free society, the classical liberal tradition itself refracts into a spectrum of views, from near-anarchist to those that attribute a significant role to the state in economic and social policy (on this spectrum, see Mack and Gaus, 2004). Towards the most extreme ‘libertarian’ end of the classical liberal spectrum are views of justified states as legitimate monopolies that may with justice charge for their necessary rights-protection services: taxation is legitimate so long as it is necessary to protect liberty and property rights. As we go further ‘leftward’ we encounter classical liberal views that allow taxation for (other) public goods and social infrastructure and, moving yet further ‘left’, some classical liberal views allow for a modest social minimum.(e.g., Hayek, 1976: 87). Most nineteenth century classical liberal economists endorsed a variety of state policies, encompassing not only the criminal law and enforcement of contracts, but the licensing of professionals, health, safety and fire regulations, banking regulations, commercial infrastructure (roads, harbors and canals) and often encouraged unionization (Gaus, 1983b). Although today classical liberalism is often associated with extreme forms of libertarianism, the classical liberal tradition was centrally concerned with bettering the lot of the working class. The aim, as Bentham put it, was to make the poor richer, not the rich poorer (Bentham, 1952 [1795]: vol. 1, 226n). Consequently, classical liberals reject the redistribution of wealth as a legitimate aim of government.

Before you guys get all excited, read it out loud and slowly.

Here is the source for the Wiki article Si posted.

Modern Political Philosophy - Richard Hudelson - Google Books

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hudelson is an interesting guy, a Marxist historian.

Marxism and philosophy in the twentieth century: a defense of vulgar Marxism

Richard Hudelson
0 Reviews
Praeger, Oct 1, 1990 - 251 pages
Useful to both students and scholars of the social sciences and humanities, this book provides a guide to fundamental issues in twentieth-century Marxist thought. Outlining the two distinct and incompatible critiques of "vulgar Marxism"-- Marxist-Leninism and humanistic Marxism--that gained prominence in the aftermath of World War I, this book presents both an historical overview of these two dominant traditions and a critical analysis of their philosophical roots. Challenging the viewpoints of Marxist thought which have prevailed in this century, Richard Hudelson, argues that the supposed philosophical breakthroughs claimed by both Marxist-Leninism and humanistic Marxism rest upon flawed reasoning. With a careful critique of these prevailing views he presents his own view which while receptive to the social scientific work of current analytical Marxism, de-emphasizes the importance of philosophy in the study of Marxism. Hudelson contends that developments in contemporary philosophy of science will allow for an appreciation of the "scientific" Marxism of the Second International without recourse to the philosophical theories of humanistic Marxism and Marxist-Leninism. Also, using some of the more recent developments in the philosophy of science, this book makes possible a fruitful exchange between analytical Marxism and Marxist-Leninism.

Marxism and philosophy in the twentieth century: a defense of vulgar Marxism - Richard Hudelson - Google Books

 

[Dr.House]

So why would you source it previously in other threads?

because he's an asshat

Says neg asshat himself

He's right.... You are an asshat...

And you've sourced wikipedia in the past....

It's why you continue to be JokeStarkey....

 

[del]

So why would you source it previously in other threads?

because he's an asshat

Says neg asshat himself

Here, educate yourselves. Liberalism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) Under 2.1 we read,

Although classical liberals agree on the fundamental importance of private property to a free society, the classical liberal tradition itself refracts into a spectrum of views, from near-anarchist to those that attribute a significant role to the state in economic and social policy (on this spectrum, see Mack and Gaus, 2004). Towards the most extreme ‘libertarian’ end of the classical liberal spectrum are views of justified states as legitimate monopolies that may with justice charge for their necessary rights-protection services: taxation is legitimate so long as it is necessary to protect liberty and property rights. As we go further ‘leftward’ we encounter classical liberal views that allow taxation for (other) public goods and social infrastructure and, moving yet further ‘left’, some classical liberal views allow for a modest social minimum.(e.g., Hayek, 1976: 87). Most nineteenth century classical liberal economists endorsed a variety of state policies, encompassing not only the criminal law and enforcement of contracts, but the licensing of professionals, health, safety and fire regulations, banking regulations, commercial infrastructure (roads, harbors and canals) and often encouraged unionization (Gaus, 1983b). Although today classical liberalism is often associated with extreme forms of libertarianism, the classical liberal tradition was centrally concerned with bettering the lot of the working class. The aim, as Bentham put it, was to make the poor richer, not the rich poorer (Bentham, 1952 [1795]: vol. 1, 226n). Consequently, classical liberals reject the redistribution of wealth as a legitimate aim of government.

you've always been an asshat, jake, from the moment you got here.

that's the facts, jack

boom shaka laka laka etc

 

[Neotrotsky]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak,
with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility
and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Hitler was so far right he sounded like Obama.

11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.



25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

Programme of the NSDAP, 24 February 1920

 

[Oddball]

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.

Except for huge traders, like Krupp, Messerschmitt, Daimler.....

 

[Political Junky]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak,
with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility
and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

"The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building."
- Benito Mussolini

 

[Political Junky]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak,
with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility
and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

"The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building."
- Benito Mussolini

"Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail."
- Benito Mussolini

 

[Amelia]

you forgot Preston Bush.....

It's Prescott Bush.

I knew some moonbat would look it up.....and Joe Kennedy? or is he a stretch for you?

You heart Paul Krugman? I never would have guessed that.

 

[Neotrotsky]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak,
with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility
and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

"The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building."
- Benito Mussolini

Speaking of ...

Mussolini liked to affirm that Marx was his spiritual father
(Mussolini y el Fascismo," in Que sais je. (in Spanish), page 31.)

Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State,

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."- Mussolini
(Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts)
​

Fascism, socialism are both Centrally Planned Economies.
They are part of the Rousseauian vision. It holds that the collective comes before the individual, our rights come from the group not from God or are innate
that the tribe is the source of all morality, and the general will is the ultimate religious construct and so therefore the needs — and aims — of the group come before those of the individual.

Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism and all the other collectivist groups are all based on the Rousseauian vision

They have more in common than not

 

[Political Junky]

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak,
with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility
and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

"The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building."
- Benito Mussolini

Speaking of ...

Mussolini liked to affirm that Marx was his spiritual father
(Mussolini y el Fascismo," in Que sais je. (in Spanish), page 31.)

Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State,

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."- Mussolini
(Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts)
​

Fascism, socialism are both Centrally Planned Economies.
They are part of the Rousseauian vision. It holds that the collective comes before the individual, our rights come from the group not from God or are innate
that the tribe is the source of all morality, and the general will is the ultimate religious construct and so therefore the needs — and aims — of the group come before those of the individual.

Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism and all the other collectivist groups are all based on the Rousseauian vision

They have more in common than not

Mussolini was a socialist before he was a Fascist.

 

[Neotrotsky]

"The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building."
- Benito Mussolini

Speaking of ...

Mussolini liked to affirm that Marx was his spiritual father
(Mussolini y el Fascismo," in Que sais je. (in Spanish), page 31.)

Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State,

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."- Mussolini
(Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts)
​

Fascism, socialism are both Centrally Planned Economies.
They are part of the Rousseauian vision. It holds that the collective comes before the individual, our rights come from the group not from God or are innate
that the tribe is the source of all morality, and the general will is the ultimate religious construct and so therefore the needs — and aims — of the group come before those of the individual.

Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism and all the other collectivist groups are all based on the Rousseauian vision

They have more in common than not

Mussolini was a socialist before he was a Fascist.

true
but he still had that "gorgeous smile"

If you ever get a chance (maybe you have) see some of the old history
on him before the war and the press that followed him, here and in Europe.
He was in power for a long time before the war.

He was actually looked upon quite fondly

 

[Political Junky]

"The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building."
- Benito Mussolini

Speaking of ...

Mussolini liked to affirm that Marx was his spiritual father
(Mussolini y el Fascismo," in Que sais je. (in Spanish), page 31.)

Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State,

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."- Mussolini
(Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts)
​

Fascism, socialism are both Centrally Planned Economies.
They are part of the Rousseauian vision. It holds that the collective comes before the individual, our rights come from the group not from God or are innate
that the tribe is the source of all morality, and the general will is the ultimate religious construct and so therefore the needs — and aims — of the group come before those of the individual.

Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Progressivism and all the other collectivist groups are all based on the Rousseauian vision

They have more in common than not

Mussolini was a socialist before he was a Fascist.

Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini (Italian pronunciation: [beˈniːto musːoˈliːni]; 29 July 1883 – 28 April 1945) was an Italian politician who led the National Fascist Party, ruling the country from 1922 to his ousting in 1943, and is credited with being one of the key figures in the creation of fascism.
Originally a member of the Italian Socialist Party and editor of the Avanti! from 1912 to 1914, Mussolini fought in World War I as an ardent nationalist and created the Fasci di Combattimento in 1919, catalyzing his nationalist and socialist beliefs in the Fascist Manifesto, published in 1921. Following the March on Rome in October 1922 he became the 27th Prime Minister of Italy and began using the title Il Duce by 1925, about which time he had established dictatorial authority by both legal and extraordinary means, aspiring to create a totalitarian state. After 1936, his official title was Sua Eccellenza Benito Mussolini, Capo del Governo, Duce del Fascismo e Fondatore dell'Impero ("His Excellency Benito Mussolini, Head of Government, Duce of Fascism, and Founder of the Empire")[1] Mussolini also created and held the supreme military rank of First Marshal of the Empire along with King Victor Emmanuel III, which gave him and the King joint supreme control over the military of Italy. Mussolini remained in power until he was replaced in 1943; for a short period after this until his death, he was the leader of the Italian Social Republic.
Mussolini was among the founders of Italian Fascism, which included elements of nationalism, corporatism, national syndicalism, expansionism, social progress, and anti-communism in combination with censorship of subversives and state propaganda. In the years following his creation of the Fascist ideology, Mussolini influenced, or achieved admiration from, a wide variety of political figures.[2]
<more at>
Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Neotrotsky]

Sure

If the war never happened and the German Nazi's never came to power
Mussolini might even be looked upon favorably today.

Before the war, Western leaders desperate to get out of the Great Depression
looked at his big gov't ways for guidance


For example...

FDR said:

There seems to be no question that [Mussolini] is really interested in what we are doing and I am much interested and deeply impressed by what he has accomplished and by his evidenced honest purpose of restoring Italy.​

Comment in early 1933 about Benito Mussolini to US Ambassador to Italy Breckinridge Long, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31

I don't mind telling you in confidence that I am keeping in fairly close touch with that admirable Italian gentleman.​

Comment on Benito Mussolini in 1933, as quoted in Three New Deals : Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939 (2006) by Wolfgang Schivelbusch, p. 31
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


While he might be an interesting historical figure
He did say


"The Fascist conception of life, stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only
in so far as his interests coincide with the State. It is opposed to classical liberalism [which] denied the
State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual."


Really, to me, just another "run of the mill" statist
who pushes gov't over people.

 

[The Infidel]

Partisan Hackery Alert. Engage at your own risk. The Author of this Thread has no interest in Real Debate.

She is 100% sure of her Premise and is simply looking for a chance to call you some names.

 

[barry1960]

Hitler was so far right he sounded like Obama.

11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.
15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.



25. To put the whole of this programme into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central state power for the Reich; the unconditional authority of the political central Parliament over the entire Reich and its organizations; and the formation of Corporations based on estate and occupation for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the Reich in the various German states.

Programme of the NSDAP, 24 February 1920

You have quoted the 25 points of the Nationalist Socilaist party in 1920. A lot happened from 1920 to 1933 when the nazis came to power. Namely, the Nazis pretty much dropped the socialist part of their ideology. Hitler learned that in order to come to power by legal means he needed to court the powers that be - the military and big business. Hitler did so by promising rearmament and the destruction of organized labor, both of which he quickly did after assuming power.

Ever wonder what happened to Gregory and Otto Strasser, two leaders of the Nazi movement who leaned towards socilalism. They were booted from the party. What about those millions of stormtroopers who helped Hitler obtain absolute power? The brownshirts were dismantled because they advocated a continuous revolution and Hitler wanted to preserve the existing power structures of the military and business to begin his road to comquest.

The Nazis never won a majority in an election. Hitler was appointed chancelor of a conservative coalition government. The social democrats and the communists were left out of this coalition.The conservatives had nothing but contempt for the democratic ideals of the Weimar Republic. They also feared the communism of the left.

Despite their name, the Nazis had little to do with sociialism. They were a party of the far right. There is no comparison to Obama and Nazi Germany in ideology or principle.

 

[The Infidel]

because he's an asshat

Says neg asshat himself

Here, educate yourselves. Liberalism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) Under 2.1 we read,

Although classical liberals agree on the fundamental importance of private property to a free society, the classical liberal tradition itself refracts into a spectrum of views, from near-anarchist to those that attribute a significant role to the state in economic and social policy (on this spectrum, see Mack and Gaus, 2004). Towards the most extreme ‘libertarian’ end of the classical liberal spectrum are views of justified states as legitimate monopolies that may with justice charge for their necessary rights-protection services: taxation is legitimate so long as it is necessary to protect liberty and property rights. As we go further ‘leftward’ we encounter classical liberal views that allow taxation for (other) public goods and social infrastructure and, moving yet further ‘left’, some classical liberal views allow for a modest social minimum.(e.g., Hayek, 1976: 87). Most nineteenth century classical liberal economists endorsed a variety of state policies, encompassing not only the criminal law and enforcement of contracts, but the licensing of professionals, health, safety and fire regulations, banking regulations, commercial infrastructure (roads, harbors and canals) and often encouraged unionization (Gaus, 1983b). Although today classical liberalism is often associated with extreme forms of libertarianism, the classical liberal tradition was centrally concerned with bettering the lot of the working class. The aim, as Bentham put it, was to make the poor richer, not the rich poorer (Bentham, 1952 [1795]: vol. 1, 226n). Consequently, classical liberals reject the redistribution of wealth as a legitimate aim of government.

you've always been an asshat, jake, from the moment you got here.

that's the facts, jack

boom shaka laka laka etc

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