BluePhantom
Educator (of liberals)
I am starting this thread because of a discussion on a different thread so forgive me it the OP sounds similar to what I posted there. I think the concept deserves it's own thread.
For over 10 years I taught at a college in Arizona and I was very interested in identifying barriers that my students may have against me as an instructor so that I might be able to over come them and maximize their learning. This led me to spend several years researching natural biases that people may have that might create such a barrier to accepting me as a teacher, leader, and/or authority figure. I didn't just read other studies, I conducted experiments of my own and my results enforced the other studies. Now for the record, this is not me giving my personal opinion on right and wrong. This is what I have discovered in research. Here are my conclusions and I think this has application to Hillary and this election::
- In the modern age, we think of racial bias as the most prevalent because it's in our faces through media and history, but actually gender and age bias are more common in American society. Race is more and more becoming a "multiplier"; that is, if a person doesn't like someone of a different race they tend to REALLY dislike them and when they like someone of a different race they tend to REALLY like them. But women and the elderly have it pretty tough. People tend to look at the elderly and think their ideas are outdated even though they have lived far more life than the rest of us and are far more experienced. But I want to focus on women for a sec.
- The rules are different for men and women. We say both genders should be treated the same, but that's not how people react to the same stimulus. For example, if a man uses sarcasm it is usually received positively. He is thought of as funny, witty, amusing, etc. But if a woman uses sarcasm it is usually received negatively. She is though of as a bitch. For a student to believe that a male teacher cares about their success all he has to do is say so. If he says "I care about your success" that tends to be enough, but a woman has to do more. She has to take action to prove that she cares. She has to help them solve a problem, or do something to demonstrate that she cares before a student will believe that she does.
- Curiously, it is not men who are the biggest offenders in regard to discriminating against women. It is women themselves. My research suggests very strongly that women discriminate against other women FAR more than men discriminate against women. It makes sense if you bring it down to a personal level. Many women simply do not trust other women. There have been times in my life where I had to work closely with a woman or I have had a female friend and to me it was just friendship and nothing more and my wife has said to me 'I trust YOU, I just don't trust HER'. I think there is something there that women see men as easily seduced by other women (which is true...let's be honest) and thus they have to "defend their territory" and that creates a natural distrust of other women...but that's another conversation.
- Usually, and generally speaking, men inherit positive attributes while women do not. In other words, usually students assume male teachers possess all the attributes they want in a teacher from the start and all he has to do is maintain it. Female teachers have to spend time proving they have those positive attributes. They are not assumed. Thus a man only has to maintain and not "blow it". A woman has to prove herself to her students.
So what does this have to do with Hillary and the election? Well what students want from a teacher is basically the same thing that voters want from a leader if you look at it very generally. They want someone who cares about their success. They want someone who is qualified and experienced in their field and knows what they are talking about. They want someone who will be straight with them and tell them the truth and not bullshit them. They want to know where they stand with their teacher/leader. They want someone who excites and motivates them and makes growth/learning fun and rewarding. They want to like them and trust them to lead them to a good place. But most of all they want to respect them and be respected by them. There really isn't much difference except for the scale. One leads a small group and the other leads a nation, but the principles are the same.
Many people argue that women will vote for Hillary en masee because Black America voted for Obama en masse. But it's a different demographic and, according to my research, society approaches it in a far different way. Personally, I do not think women will turn out en masse for Hillary simple because she is a woman. In fact, I think a large segment of women will vote against her, in some regard, because she is a woman and because she is elderly. I have talked to many women on this issue and I hear it said a LOT "I want a woman to be president but not THIS woman". I never heard a black person say about Obama "I want a black man to be president but not THIS black man".
See the difference?
So I am open to your thoughts. I think Hilary has a lot going against her...she is corrupt, she is a liar, she is the poster child for government corruption and everything that is wrong with government, but we all know that. I want to focus on this gender issue and see what effect you think it will have and how it is similar or different than the racial aspect with Obama.
And for the record...I am not saying that I endorse the findings of my research; that they are right or fair or whatever. Actually I think they are totally unfair and completely fucked up....but it is what it is and that's just how society reacts.
I welcome your thoughts
For over 10 years I taught at a college in Arizona and I was very interested in identifying barriers that my students may have against me as an instructor so that I might be able to over come them and maximize their learning. This led me to spend several years researching natural biases that people may have that might create such a barrier to accepting me as a teacher, leader, and/or authority figure. I didn't just read other studies, I conducted experiments of my own and my results enforced the other studies. Now for the record, this is not me giving my personal opinion on right and wrong. This is what I have discovered in research. Here are my conclusions and I think this has application to Hillary and this election::
- In the modern age, we think of racial bias as the most prevalent because it's in our faces through media and history, but actually gender and age bias are more common in American society. Race is more and more becoming a "multiplier"; that is, if a person doesn't like someone of a different race they tend to REALLY dislike them and when they like someone of a different race they tend to REALLY like them. But women and the elderly have it pretty tough. People tend to look at the elderly and think their ideas are outdated even though they have lived far more life than the rest of us and are far more experienced. But I want to focus on women for a sec.
- The rules are different for men and women. We say both genders should be treated the same, but that's not how people react to the same stimulus. For example, if a man uses sarcasm it is usually received positively. He is thought of as funny, witty, amusing, etc. But if a woman uses sarcasm it is usually received negatively. She is though of as a bitch. For a student to believe that a male teacher cares about their success all he has to do is say so. If he says "I care about your success" that tends to be enough, but a woman has to do more. She has to take action to prove that she cares. She has to help them solve a problem, or do something to demonstrate that she cares before a student will believe that she does.
- Curiously, it is not men who are the biggest offenders in regard to discriminating against women. It is women themselves. My research suggests very strongly that women discriminate against other women FAR more than men discriminate against women. It makes sense if you bring it down to a personal level. Many women simply do not trust other women. There have been times in my life where I had to work closely with a woman or I have had a female friend and to me it was just friendship and nothing more and my wife has said to me 'I trust YOU, I just don't trust HER'. I think there is something there that women see men as easily seduced by other women (which is true...let's be honest) and thus they have to "defend their territory" and that creates a natural distrust of other women...but that's another conversation.
- Usually, and generally speaking, men inherit positive attributes while women do not. In other words, usually students assume male teachers possess all the attributes they want in a teacher from the start and all he has to do is maintain it. Female teachers have to spend time proving they have those positive attributes. They are not assumed. Thus a man only has to maintain and not "blow it". A woman has to prove herself to her students.
So what does this have to do with Hillary and the election? Well what students want from a teacher is basically the same thing that voters want from a leader if you look at it very generally. They want someone who cares about their success. They want someone who is qualified and experienced in their field and knows what they are talking about. They want someone who will be straight with them and tell them the truth and not bullshit them. They want to know where they stand with their teacher/leader. They want someone who excites and motivates them and makes growth/learning fun and rewarding. They want to like them and trust them to lead them to a good place. But most of all they want to respect them and be respected by them. There really isn't much difference except for the scale. One leads a small group and the other leads a nation, but the principles are the same.
Many people argue that women will vote for Hillary en masee because Black America voted for Obama en masse. But it's a different demographic and, according to my research, society approaches it in a far different way. Personally, I do not think women will turn out en masse for Hillary simple because she is a woman. In fact, I think a large segment of women will vote against her, in some regard, because she is a woman and because she is elderly. I have talked to many women on this issue and I hear it said a LOT "I want a woman to be president but not THIS woman". I never heard a black person say about Obama "I want a black man to be president but not THIS black man".
See the difference?
So I am open to your thoughts. I think Hilary has a lot going against her...she is corrupt, she is a liar, she is the poster child for government corruption and everything that is wrong with government, but we all know that. I want to focus on this gender issue and see what effect you think it will have and how it is similar or different than the racial aspect with Obama.
And for the record...I am not saying that I endorse the findings of my research; that they are right or fair or whatever. Actually I think they are totally unfair and completely fucked up....but it is what it is and that's just how society reacts.
I welcome your thoughts
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