Heroin Crisis Solved; Or Not; Our Choice

[BuckToothMoron]

I understand your theory that legalizing pot has forced producers/suppliers of pot to switch-to another product and that product is heroine. Personally, I am very skeptical that is why we are seeing an increase in heroine use. Did you contrive this theory out of thin air, or do you have any corroborating evidence? Just because pot is legalized and heroine use goes up, does not prove a cause and effect.

It’s spelled HEROIN, not HEROINE, you dunce.

I understand your theory that legalizing pot has forced producers/suppliers of pot to switch-to another product and that product is heroine. Personally, I am very skeptical that is why we are seeing an increase in heroine use. Did you contrive this theory out of thin air, or do you have any corroborating evidence? Just because pot is legalized and heroine use goes up, does not prove a cause and effect.

It’s spelled HEROIN, not HEROINE, you dunce.

Sorry, it clearly takes a user to know the proper spelling. Stay high dude!

 

[WEATHER53]

Blew off the 80s with alcoholism but no drink since 1990
I believe these are diseases but I also believe they are self inflicted
America is on dangerous ground by being flooded with a feelings dominated society. Alcohol and drugs are Excellent at altering feelings on a wide scale
Facts are hard to come by anymore so no wonder feelings oriented drug and alcohol use is soaring. It takes petition to and submission to a power greater that oneself to restore intellect over emotion and be rid of damaging drug and alcohol abuse

 

[danielpalos]

The presciption drugs run out. Then the addicts turn to heroin instead of detox. The Mexican cartels have an issue with their former black market being effectively dissolved. So they provide the heroin to people who might have otherwise gotten clean.

some strains of marijuana are useful for pain management.

 

[Silhouette]

some strains of marijuana are useful for pain management.

I know. The FDA regulates those.

 

[ChrisL]

Hey, if someone is stupid enough to use heroin, then I would call that "culling the herd." I do feel sorry for those who are involved in this person's life, but once they start using that shit, they aren't the same person that you once knew anymore. The drugs are ALL that matters. There is really nothing you can do for them except to hope they decide to stop.

 

[Moonglow]

Hey, if someone is stupid enough to use heroin, then I would call that "culling the herd." I do feel sorry for those who are involved in this person's life, but once they start using that shit, they aren't the same person that you once knew anymore. The drugs are ALL that matters. There is really nothing you can do for them except to hope they decide to stop.

and they are the only ones that can make themselves stop...

 

[Windparadox]

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Afghanistan, even under US occupation, is the worlds #1 producer of Opium. We have done nothing to stop it.- Opium production has set another record in Afghanistan — here's where it increased the most
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[Moonglow]

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Afghanistan, even under US occupation, is the worlds #1 producer of Opium. We have done nothing to stop it.- Opium production has set another record in Afghanistan — here's where it increased the most
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The military and the CIA allows tribes/clans that are allied to the US mission to grow and sell as much as they want.....Yet we have folks like the OP which thinks it's all about liberals....

 

[ChrisL]

Just seeing a heroin addict should be enough to deter anyone from ever wanting to do it.

 

[Moonglow]

Just seeing a heroin addict should be enough to deter anyone from ever wanting to do it.

I tried it but didn't like it....Even the ones you get from operations I blew chunks..

 

[ChrisL]

Just seeing a heroin addict should be enough to deter anyone from ever wanting to do it.

I tried it but didn't like it....Even the ones you get from operations I blew chunks..

I've never even tried it and never wanted to. I don't see what the attraction is. I've seen how people act when they are "high", and it is pretty embarrassing, IMO.

 

[ChrisL]

I can't imagine why anyone would want to be like this . . .

 

[danielpalos]

Hey, if someone is stupid enough to use heroin, then I would call that "culling the herd." I do feel sorry for those who are involved in this person's life, but once they start using that shit, they aren't the same person that you once knew anymore. The drugs are ALL that matters. There is really nothing you can do for them except to hope they decide to stop.

Better drugs at lower cost!

 

[danielpalos]

`
Afghanistan, even under US occupation, is the worlds #1 producer of Opium. We have done nothing to stop it.- Opium production has set another record in Afghanistan — here's where it increased the most
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why are we wasting money on an alleged War on Drugs, the right wing refuses to pay for with war on drugs tax rates?

 

[Silhouette]

Nobody's playing your game Daniel. Find another thread to soft-troll.

 

[Silhouette]

I can't imagine why anyone would want to be like this . . .

The initial motivation is escape from emotional or physical pain. Then addiction takes over the "choice" part of the mind. Addicts reach a point where their using isn't a choice. That's when arrests & intervention are their only shot at a peek of what autonomy used to look like.

Until then these hopeless addicts are nothing but zombies. They're not even human anymore; because humans are unique autonomous beings. Once an addict, you can see them literally as cookie cutter zombies.

These shows they have on addiction really are thought-provoking documentaries. The addicts seem to retain some self-reflection in that they know they are doomed. But even wanting out they become combative if someone should suggest concrete ways to get out. So I concluded IMHO that extreme force & derailment of the addiction is vital. There needs to be a uniform plan & treatment funding with law enforcement.

Also addicts seem to adopt addict families as they lose contact with sober people. Laws need to be passed that break up adopted addict families so recovering addicts won't instantly relapse. No misery loves company like active addiction.

 

[danielpalos]

Nobody's playing your game Daniel. Find another thread to soft-troll.

Don't like fiscal responsibility?

 

[Silhouette]

Peanut butter is good on whole wheat (if danielpalos' comments won't be deleted for off topic, no comment will)

 

[danielpalos]

Peanut butter is good on whole wheat (if danielpalos' comments won't be deleted for off topic, no comment will)

i learned to like, peanut butter girls.

Anyway, the right wing claims providing for the general welfare is not supposed to provide for Individuals.

Why is it ok for right wing socialism on a national basis but not liberal socialism to take our Constitution literally.

 

[hazlnut]

Measuring America’s changing drug habits, on the border

SAN YSIDRO, Calif. — Mexican traffickers are sending a flood of cheap heroin and methamphetamine across the U.S. border, the latest drug seizure statistics show, in a new sign that America’s marijuana decriminalization trend is upending the North American narcotics trade.

The amount of cannabis seized by U.S. federal, state and local officers along the boundary with Mexico has fallen 37 percent since 2011, a period during which American marijuana consumers have increasingly turned to the more potent, higher-grade domestic varieties cultivated under legal and quasi-legal protections in more than two dozen U.S. states.

Timeline:

1. Mexico imported most of the nation's MJ. The fed had a delicate balance with the Mexican economy, of which pot exports were a huge part of. This consisted of strategically dialing in suppressing the influx & balancing the market. The cartels also had a delicate balance among themselves, keeping the supply/demand ratio in balance. Pretty much like how commercial merchants of all trades form unions to settle on prices so all can benefit.

2. Pot illegally is "legalized" (against federal law) in the US, state by state, using "medicine" as the shoehorn to ultimate free for all. Unregulated medicine is as illegal as recreational medicine of any Schedule 1 FDA regulated substance.

3. The price of pot and its delicate economic balance re: Mexico begins to plummet. Mexican cartels (and Mexico itself) take what is the equivalent of a baseball bat to the nuts.

4. During the parallel timeline, cartel wars and beheadings begin as competition for that dying market increased. Then the reality of the futility even of that struggle sets in as Mexican-MJ economy gets its last coffin nails...as more and more states illegally-legalize.

5. Then Mexican pot cartels switch to a much more lucrative market, one much more addictive and deadly: opium.

6. The US social situation worsens as the heroin epidemic sweeps the nation "from unknown causes all of a sudden!" Law enforcement is overburdened. Heroin quickly renders addicts derelict dependent criminals and thieves. The social welfare rolls begin to swell, taxing an already precarious economy, law enforcement, jail and prison budgets. Insurance companies take more and more hits as more and more petty and serious crime results in property theft to maintain the blind and strong urge of the heroin addicts.

(Russia/China, are you giggling right now? )

So people would say that this illegal legalizing has no repercussions. I beg to differ. Even when they agree they say "well what are you going to do about it? So many states now have "legal" pot" (while it remains on Schedule 1).

Solution will be tough, but actually simple. It will require brass nuggs on behalf of the fed. Simply pass a resolution in Congress that shuts off federal funding to states that have defied federal law. If they fail to re-criminalize pot, they don't get money until they comply. Period.

At the various state levels, look for heads to roll to blame the chaos on with pot laws. State by state a person or group of people (usually the sitting AG at the time) responsible for screening newly proposed laws, either by legislature or referendum, for compliance with federal law FIRST before they were voted on, are weeded out and brought into the limelight for questioning. Their failure of duty will be the culprit. Adjustments can be made before this becomes a complete US nightmare. Dust will settle and life will go on.

The US officials can strike old deals with Mexican cartels in exchange for reduction or elimination of heroin imports. And, life can go back to normal. People wanting to be rebellious can turn back to pot, and forego heroin, the more deadly of the two Mexican imports. The jails and social service programs can breathe a sigh of relief.

Or, we can accept an escalating heroin problem, economic assault from derelict addicts increasing exponentially, and a real threat to our national security. Our choice. The liberals responsible for this downward spiral are clearly incapable of thinking or understanding even the rudiments of delicate economies of the US and Mexico and how they interplay. Pissing off Mexico at our southern doorstep, with our enemies abroad drooling, is not a good plan for national security. Liberals meanwhile do all they can to keep that permeable border with even more and more holes. This is just simply asinine. Smarter minds need to bypass the kicking and screaming and rip the bandaid off.

Here's the approach lawmakers with brains need to take addressing the liberal outcry
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#4 is incorrect. 2010 was the horrifically bloody year. 2012-- CO made pot legal.

As for the rest...

Your ignorance about pot legalization, economics, social impact is hu-uuuge.

You also appear to be completely unaware of synthetic opiates, how they were promoted and marketed as "safe".

Get a clue, then check back.