Here's Why To Not Let Your State Go Blue

[BluesLegend]

There Is No Evidence of an Illegal Immigrant Crime Wave

Angela Merkel?
In Arizona, illegal Mexican national Santana Batiz Aceves was charged with 47 counts of rape based on DNA evidence.

Illegal Carlos Martinelly-Montano, a Bolivian national killed a Virginia nun drunk-driving.

Illegal Ecuadorian national wanted for the brutal rape of a nine-year-old girl.

Illegal Juan Tzun killed California sheriff’s dispatcher Dominick Durden driving drunk, after previously getting a slap on the wrist for driving drunk multiple times.

32-year-old Mesa, Arizona, policeman was killed by an unlicensed illegal driving drunk the wrong way on a freeway.

 

[usmbguest5318]

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States

• Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

The document above should have been hyperlinked to this -- > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2009.00162.x

 

[BluesLegend]

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States

• Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

The document above should have been hyperlinked to this -- > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2009.00162.x

In Arizona, illegal Mexican national Santana Batiz Aceves was charged with 47 counts of rape based on DNA evidence.

Illegal Carlos Martinelly-Montano, a Bolivian national killed a Virginia nun drunk-driving.

Illegal Ecuadorian national wanted for the brutal rape of a nine-year-old girl.

Illegal Juan Tzun killed California sheriff’s dispatcher Dominick Durden driving drunk, after previously getting a slap on the wrist for driving drunk multiple times.

32-year-old Mesa, Arizona, policeman was killed by an unlicensed illegal driving drunk the wrong way on a freeway.

 

[bodecea]

Did someone say Willie Horton?

 

[usmbguest5318]

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Here's why to not waste your time clicking/reading liberals' looney and souped up links. Liberals love "studies" (actually con jobs). They refer to ones by liberal sources (university professors, think tanks, media, etc., and then tell us we have to accept them because they're soooo authentic and respectable.

They especially love their "studies" when they're concocted to produce just the notions they want us all to believe. If I had a dollar for every liberals "study" that turned out to be false, I'd buy a mansion. Sometimes this common liberal study error characteristic comes from pure deceit (intentional propaganda). In other "studies", it's a result of simply being founded from typical, liberal, wrongheaded, preconceived notions.

Check out this farce (a typical "study") >>

The Stephens-Davidowitz racism study >> (exposed in the book, Mugged, by Ann Coulter, pg. 240-241).

In this farce, published as undeniable in the New York Times, it was contended that some places in the US were more racist than other places. The study contended that because 57% of Denver, CO, voted for Obama in 2008, and only 48% of Wheeling WV did, that Wheeling was the 7th most "racist" city in America, while Denver was the 4th most “enlightened” city.

Problems here are twofold. First, in places like the Times, the only 1 dimension at play was Obama's race. The Stephens-Davidowitz study failed to consider that Obama was the most fabulous, celebrity-backed candidate for president in a long time - something more important to people in Denver than in West Virginia.

Secondly, on Nov. 2, 2008, two days before the election, Obama vowed to bankrupt the coal industry. He threatened to impose huge fines on coal companies for emissions of greenhouse gases. West Virginia's economy is 99% (energy) and 60% (business taxes) dependent on coal. The real way to test Stephens-Davidowitz theory about West Virginians would be to run a non-flashy black candidate who had not pledged to destroy the coal industry, and THEN compare votes.

Here's an alternative to the faulty Stephens-Davidowitz study that the New York Times admired so much >> Ann Coulter did a study on states inclinations to racism, also. In Ann's study, different states were compared by participation in the military - an institution with a high lever of close quarter racial mixing, jaw to jaw, in military barracks (hell for racists).

The least racist states were Montana, Texas, Wyoming, Alabama, Alaska, and Idaho. The most racist ones were Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, and Vermont.

They refer to ones by liberal sources (university professors, think tanks, media, etc., and then tell us we have to accept them because they're soooo authentic and respectable.

I expect one to accept or reject the findings of supporting material I present because the methodology the researcher(s) used to arrive at the results is legit. Anyone who wants to object to one or more findings in the supporting content I provide need only identify the material methodological flaw(s). (Obviously, I wouldn't cite the study if I saw that there are material methodological flaws in it.)

An existential material methodological inadequacy in Rep. Gaetz's claim, one that the other member failed to check for him-/herself before repeating the claim, is why I rejected that claim, not because either of them is more or less credible, not due to the political party to which either of them belongs, or not anything else.

I don't care who says what. The methodology whoever used to arrive at their conclusion is what matters.

• Is the applied mathematical rationale "legit?"
  • Application/Calculation -- Usually one need not specifically check this, particularly simple arithmetic; however, a quick once over of the raw data to see whether the arithmetic appears to be correct/fitting is a good idea. Glancing at the three rows for "drugs" is all it took for me to know the Gaetz's methodology does not soundly/cogently support the claim he made. Hell, the mere fact that there are three "drugs" rows immediately made it obvious that his claim was inaccurate.
  • Theory -- Is the person using a fitting mathematical approach. For example, has a claimant or researcher inaptly used or cited raw counts rather than proportions?
• Are there material qualitative incongruities between a tested sample and a larger population to which the sample's behavior is extrapolated?
  • Is the sample size fitting?
  • Did the researcher/claimant control for material variations between the sample and the corresponding population?
• Doe the claims made follow from the data used and the analysis performed?
  • Does the study show correlation yet the researcher/claimant has asserted causation?
  • What are the limits of the analysis performed or data used?

The above are just some of the things to look for when reviewing/reading a study.

• Writing a Critique or Review of a Research Article
  
• Step'by-step guide to critiquing research. Part 1: quantitative research
  
• Step-by-step guide to critiquing research. Part 2: qualitative research

While nobody here is going to actually write a "proper" critique of a study, the questions one must ask and answer for oneself are the same, and it really just takes from a few seconds to a few short minutes -- however long it takes to peruse the methodology and scan the conclusion(s) -- to "ask and answer" those questions. (Obviously, if one isn't mathematically or logically adept, it could take longer.) To wit, it took me far longer to compose post 52 than the half a second it took to see the data on which Gaetz had relied didn't align with his (thus that of the other member who repeated/cited it) claim.

They refer to ones by liberal sources (university professors, think tanks, media, etc., and then tell us we have to accept them because they're soooo authentic and respectable.

There are times when an appeal to/reliance upon authority is the best one can do; however, almost none of the matters of public policy are such things. (The exception being public policy based on national security classified information.) You know who's not an authority?

• The news reporter/anchor on one's TV screen. That person is a communicator (1) of the fact that others who are experts have gathered and analyzed information and (2) what be the information gathered, analysis performed and conclusions reached by thos others.
• The editorialist who's writing about something other than their field of expertise. E.g., when a physicist writes and editorial about something other than physics and related stuff, s/he's merely an editorialist, not an expert offering an expert opinion.
• People who outwardly seem to be, but who can't/won't give straight answers, direct and unequivocal questions, back up their claims will one or more fallacious lines of so-called support, people who've developed a track record of saying anything regardless of whether they know it's so or not so....Folks like that aren't authorities; they are demagogues....they're just running their f*cking mouths.

Check out this farce (a typical "study") >>

The Stephens-Davidowitz racism study >> (exposed in the book, Mugged, by Ann Coulter, pg. 240-241).

??? How can we? You don't provide a link to it. You don't give us the title of it.

You'll see me asking for source links, not because I want to confirm that "so and so" actually said "such and such"/arrived at "such and such" conclusion. I ask for the source links so I can review the methodology the speaker/writer used to justify their claim. For the most part, I'm willing to accept that "so and so" literally said "such and such."

 

[usmbguest5318]

There Is No Evidence of an Illegal Immigrant Crime Wave

Angela Merkel?
In Arizona, illegal Mexican national Santana Batiz Aceves was charged with 47 counts of rape based on DNA evidence.

Illegal Carlos Martinelly-Montano, a Bolivian national killed a Virginia nun drunk-driving.

Illegal Ecuadorian national wanted for the brutal rape of a nine-year-old girl.

Illegal Juan Tzun killed California sheriff’s dispatcher Dominick Durden driving drunk, after previously getting a slap on the wrist for driving drunk multiple times.

32-year-old Mesa, Arizona, policeman was killed by an unlicensed illegal driving drunk the wrong way on a freeway.

Yes, of course, five examples constitutes a "crime wave." Child, go play with someone else...I don't have time for your silliness.

 

[HappyJoy]

Adam's apple Ann Coulter is a good conservative writer? That's funny.

She is one of the very best in the world. Hands down. She has authored many books, all carefully sourced/footnoted, and her books are a warehouse of knowledge, 95% of which you probably don't have.

I could post a long list of names of people from her books, all of major political significance, and my guess is you'll know of none of them. You talk ignorance, as do most typical information-deprived liberals.

No, sweetheart, she does not have much of a relationship with truth.

Ann Coulter's file

 

[RealDave]

So, one case means we need to accept Donnie the Scumbag?

Really?
and besides,. Ann Coulter - the bastard transvestite son of Rush Limbaugh?

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Illegals commit fewer crimes than US citizens.

100% of illegals commit crimes. Are you seriously stating that citizens somehow are doing even more?

overstaying your visa isn't a crime

about 50% of illegals have overstayed their visas

you're welcome, sparky

You know what's a crime? Illegals killing and raping thousands of Americans that's a crime. Millions of illegals engaged in tax fraud that's a crime. Illegals assaulting, robbing, trafficking drugs that's a crime. Illegals arrested in Texas between 2011 and 2017 committed nearly 600,000 crimes.

The DOJ and Homeland Security says its costing American taxpayers $19 million a day to house illegals in our jails and prisons. That's nearly $7 billion dollars a year.

Since the crime rate among illegals is lower than US citizens, you are safer living among illegals than your beer guzzling, gun toting, rebel flag carrying buddies.

 

[RealDave]

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Not to mention the slaughter of thousands of children every day, via abortion; which the LIbErals strongly support.

No one is aborting chilren.

 

[RealDave]

There Is No Evidence of an Illegal Immigrant Crime Wave

Angela Merkel?
In Arizona, illegal Mexican national Santana Batiz Aceves was charged with 47 counts of rape based on DNA evidence.

Illegal Carlos Martinelly-Montano, a Bolivian national killed a Virginia nun drunk-driving.

Illegal Ecuadorian national wanted for the brutal rape of a nine-year-old girl.

Illegal Juan Tzun killed California sheriff’s dispatcher Dominick Durden driving drunk, after previously getting a slap on the wrist for driving drunk multiple times.

32-year-old Mesa, Arizona, policeman was killed by an unlicensed illegal driving drunk the wrong way on a freeway.

Donald Trump raped a 13 year old girl & you didn't care.

 

[Thinker101]

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Illegals commit fewer crimes than US citizens.

100% of illegals commit crimes. Are you seriously stating that citizens somehow are doing even more?

overstaying your visa isn't a crime

about 50% of illegals have overstayed their visas

you're welcome, sparky

You know what's a crime? Illegals killing and raping thousands of Americans that's a crime. Millions of illegals engaged in tax fraud that's a crime. Illegals assaulting, robbing, trafficking drugs that's a crime. Illegals arrested in Texas between 2011 and 2017 committed nearly 600,000 crimes.

The DOJ and Homeland Security says its costing American taxpayers $19 million a day to house illegals in our jails and prisons. That's nearly $7 billion dollars a year.

Since the crime rate among illegals is lower than US citizens, you are safer living among illegals than your beer guzzling, gun toting, rebel flag carrying buddies.

So....you're moving to one of our country's southern neighbors?

 

[Dschrute3]

It's shocking there are so many Useful Idiots in this country. Lenin would be so proud. They continue to vote for Communists/Democrats who don't serve their interests. Every location controlled by Communists/Democrats, is destined for Third World Misery. People just aren't getting it. The Democratic Party thrives on misery. It needs its poor & angry masses fully dependent on Government for survival. It's absolute control. Poor folks fully dependent on Government, are easily manipulated and controlled.

The last thing Democrats want, is a happy prosperous independent populace. Those folks aren't so easily controlled. So when Democrats seize control of an area, it pretty much guarantees its demise. And it's done by design. It's part of the Agenda. More Americans need to become aware of the Agenda. And then they need to vigorously oppose it. The fate of their Nation is at stake.

 

[protectionist]

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Here's why to not waste your time clicking/reading liberals' looney and souped up links. Liberals love "studies" (actually con jobs). They refer to ones by liberal sources (university professors, think tanks, media, etc., and then tell us we have to accept them because they're soooo authentic and respectable.

They especially love their "studies" when they're concocted to produce just the notions they want us all to believe. If I had a dollar for every liberals "study" that turned out to be false, I'd buy a mansion. Sometimes this common liberal study error characteristic comes from pure deceit (intentional propaganda). In other "studies", it's a result of simply being founded from typical, liberal, wrongheaded, preconceived notions.

Check out this farce (a typical "study") >>

The Stephens-Davidowitz racism study >> (exposed in the book, Mugged, by Ann Coulter, pg. 240-241).

In this farce, published as undeniable in the New York Times, it was contended that some places in the US were more racist than other places. The study contended that because 57% of Denver, CO, voted for Obama in 2008, and only 48% of Wheeling WV did, that Wheeling was the 7th most "racist" city in America, while Denver was the 4th most “enlightened” city.

Problems here are twofold. First, in places like the Times, the only 1 dimension at play was Obama's race. The Stephens-Davidowitz study failed to consider that Obama was the most fabulous, celebrity-backed candidate for president in a long time - something more important to people in Denver than in West Virginia.

Secondly, on Nov. 2, 2008, two days before the election, Obama vowed to bankrupt the coal industry. He threatened to impose huge fines on coal companies for emissions of greenhouse gases. West Virginia's economy is 99% (energy) and 60% (business taxes) dependent on coal. The real way to test Stephens-Davidowitz theory about West Virginians would be to run a non-flashy black candidate who had not pledged to destroy the coal industry, and THEN compare votes.

Here's an alternative to the faulty Stephens-Davidowitz study that the New York Times admired so much >> Ann Coulter did a study on states inclinations to racism, also. In Ann's study, different states were compared by participation in the military - an institution with a high lever of close quarter racial mixing, jaw to jaw, in military barracks (hell for racists).

The least racist states were Montana, Texas, Wyoming, Alabama, Alaska, and Idaho. The most racist ones were Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, and Vermont.

They refer to ones by liberal sources (university professors, think tanks, media, etc., and then tell us we have to accept them because they're soooo authentic and respectable.

I expect one to accept or reject the findings of supporting material I present because the methodology the researcher(s) used to arrive at the results is legit. Anyone who wants to object to one or more findings in the supporting content I provide need only identify the material methodological flaw(s). (Obviously, I wouldn't cite the study if I saw that there are material methodological flaws in it.)

An existential material methodological inadequacy in Rep. Gaetz's claim, one that the other member failed to check for him-/herself before repeating the claim, is why I rejected that claim, not because either of them is more or less credible, not due to the political party to which either of them belongs, or not anything else.

I don't care who says what. The methodology whoever used to arrive at their conclusion is what matters.

• Is the applied mathematical rationale "legit?"
  • Application/Calculation -- Usually one need not specifically check this, particularly simple arithmetic; however, a quick once over of the raw data to see whether the arithmetic appears to be correct/fitting is a good idea. Glancing at the three rows for "drugs" is all it took for me to know the Gaetz's methodology does not soundly/cogently support the claim he made. Hell, the mere fact that there are three "drugs" rows immediately made it obvious that his claim was inaccurate.
  • Theory -- Is the person using a fitting mathematical approach. For example, has a claimant or researcher inaptly used or cited raw counts rather than proportions?
• Are there material qualitative incongruities between a tested sample and a larger population to which the sample's behavior is extrapolated?
  • Is the sample size fitting?
  • Did the researcher/claimant control for material variations between the sample and the corresponding population?
• Doe the claims made follow from the data used and the analysis performed?
  • Does the study show correlation yet the researcher/claimant has asserted causation?
  • What are the limits of the analysis performed or data used?

The above are just some of the things to look for when reviewing/reading a study.

• Writing a Critique or Review of a Research Article
  
• Step'by-step guide to critiquing research. Part 1: quantitative research
  
• Step-by-step guide to critiquing research. Part 2: qualitative research

While nobody here is going to actually write a "proper" critique of a study, the questions one must ask and answer for oneself are the same, and it really just takes from a few seconds to a few short minutes -- however long it takes to peruse the methodology and scan the conclusion(s) -- to "ask and answer" those questions. (Obviously, if one isn't mathematically or logically adept, it could take longer.) To wit, it took me far longer to compose post 52 than the half a second it took to see the data on which Gaetz had relied didn't align with his (thus that of the other member who repeated/cited it) claim.

They refer to ones by liberal sources (university professors, think tanks, media, etc., and then tell us we have to accept them because they're soooo authentic and respectable.

There are times when an appeal to/reliance upon authority is the best one can do; however, almost none of the matters of public policy are such things. (The exception being public policy based on national security classified information.) You know who's not an authority?

• The news reporter/anchor on one's TV screen. That person is a communicator (1) of the fact that others who are experts have gathered and analyzed information and (2) what be the information gathered, analysis performed and conclusions reached by thos others.
• The editorialist who's writing about something other than their field of expertise. E.g., when a physicist writes and editorial about something other than physics and related stuff, s/he's merely an editorialist, not an expert offering an expert opinion.
• People who outwardly seem to be, but who can't/won't give straight answers, direct and unequivocal questions, back up their claims will one or more fallacious lines of so-called support, people who've developed a track record of saying anything regardless of whether they know it's so or not so....Folks like that aren't authorities; they are demagogues....they're just running their f*cking mouths.

Check out this farce (a typical "study") >>

The Stephens-Davidowitz racism study >> (exposed in the book, Mugged, by Ann Coulter, pg. 240-241).

??? How can we? You don't provide a link to it. You don't give us the title of it.

You'll see me asking for source links, not because I want to confirm that "so and so" actually said "such and such"/arrived at "such and such" conclusion. I ask for the source links so I can review the methodology the speaker/writer used to justify their claim. For the most part, I'm willing to accept that "so and so" literally said "such and such."

I wasn't saying to check out the study. I was saying to check out Ann Coulter's review of the study in the book Mugged, pg. 240-241, where there's considerably more information about it than I have posted here. And that information is necessary, because the study itself doesn't report its own obvious failing. Ann does. However, I have posted the jist of what I meant to convey.

If anyone needs more, they can try this >>

Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, "How Racist are We ?Ask Google", New York Times, June 9, 2012.

 

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Since the crime rate among illegals is lower than US citizens, you are safer living among illegals than your beer guzzling, gun toting, rebel flag carrying buddies.

This is the kind of idiocy we get at USMB. Ho hum. Gag. It's like saying the knowledge of 30 year olds is lower than that of 5 year olds. Pheeeew!

Illegals commit crimes as soon as they enter the US illegally. Duh!

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

 

[BluesLegend]

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Illegals commit fewer crimes than US citizens.

100% of illegals commit crimes. Are you seriously stating that citizens somehow are doing even more?

overstaying your visa isn't a crime

about 50% of illegals have overstayed their visas

you're welcome, sparky

You know what's a crime? Illegals killing and raping thousands of Americans that's a crime. Millions of illegals engaged in tax fraud that's a crime. Illegals assaulting, robbing, trafficking drugs that's a crime. Illegals arrested in Texas between 2011 and 2017 committed nearly 600,000 crimes.

The DOJ and Homeland Security says its costing American taxpayers $19 million a day to house illegals in our jails and prisons. That's nearly $7 billion dollars a year.

Since the crime rate among illegals is lower than US citizens, you are safer living among illegals than your beer guzzling, gun toting, rebel flag carrying buddies.

Since the crime rate among illegals is HIGHER than US citizens illegals should be deported the hell out of our country.

 

[BluesLegend]

There Is No Evidence of an Illegal Immigrant Crime Wave

Angela Merkel?
In Arizona, illegal Mexican national Santana Batiz Aceves was charged with 47 counts of rape based on DNA evidence.

Illegal Carlos Martinelly-Montano, a Bolivian national killed a Virginia nun drunk-driving.

Illegal Ecuadorian national wanted for the brutal rape of a nine-year-old girl.

Illegal Juan Tzun killed California sheriff’s dispatcher Dominick Durden driving drunk, after previously getting a slap on the wrist for driving drunk multiple times.

32-year-old Mesa, Arizona, policeman was killed by an unlicensed illegal driving drunk the wrong way on a freeway.

Donald Trump raped a 13 year old girl & you didn't care.

You lie, fake Dave.

 

[protectionist]

Donald Trump raped a 13 year old girl & you didn't care.

You show how shallow a poster you are in this forum, With zero evidence, you throw accusations around. By the same token, we could say that YOU raped a 13 year old girl.

A civil suit against Donald Trump alleging he raped a 13-year-old girl was dismissed in California in May 2016, refiled in New York in June 2016, and dropped again in November 2016.

All of the information about this lawsuit comes solely from the complaint filed by a so-called “Katie Johnson,” (unknown if that is a legit name), and no one has as yet located, identified, or interviewed her. She was scheduled to appear at a press conference on 2 November 2016 but didn’t show up.

Looks like somebody was looking to make a big, quick buck, and then got cold feet. Dude, anybody can SAY anything.

 

[protectionist]

Since the crime rate among illegals is HIGHER than US citizens illegals should be deported the hell out of our country.

They all need to be deported, crime or not.

 

[protectionist]

No, sweetheart, she does not have much of a relationship with truth.

Ann Coulter's file

How do you know ? Have you read her books ? Her books are a warehouse of knowledge, 95% of which you probably don't have. As for your Politifact link >> Politifact Is a Joke

And I'm, not your "sweetheart."

 

[protectionist]

Hasan was dishonorably discharged. But what does this have to do with you deliberately falsely reporting Obama's religion?

The point is that Hasan was NOT dishonorably discharged before he slaughtered 13 US Army soldiers and wounded 38 others. He was allowed to walk around in middle eastern clothes instead of his Army uniform, in violation of Army regulations, for almost a year.

He spouted off jihadist rhetoric lectures to soldiers, when he was supposed to be lecturing about Army psychology, and he recited passages from the Koran and hadiths, constantly.

No one could stop him because Obama (commander in chief) approved of what he was doing. Only a Muslim jihadist could possibly act that way. There is no other answer.

Obama's OK of ISIS activity is more proof of his Islamism, as are many other things (which you never hear on CNN)