Here's Why To Not Let Your State Go Blue

[BluesLegend]

There's a myriad of reasons to vote Republican, but a few of them whack you right in the jaw, and can't be denied, no matter the level of liberal spin applied. Occasionally, I like to post the words of a good conservative author, who can speak as well as anyone, and better than most.

The following is from the book Godless by Ann Coulter (pg. 33-34), and tells a typical horror story created by liberals in New York state. It just involves one criminal person, but there are dozens of other accounts just like it ,which can be also revealed, upon request if need be.

"Arthur Shawcross is the two-word explanation for why normal people prefer locking criminals up to releasing them, despite the risk we run of turning them into "scapegoats." In 1972, Shawcross molested and murdered a 10 year old boy, he had lured into the woods. A few months later, he raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. He was arrested and confessed to the crimes. For reasons that remain mysterious, the charges against Shawcross for the boy's murder were dropped altogether. Instead, Shawcross pleaded guilty to manslaughter for the girl's rape and murder, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

In 1987, after serving only 15 years in prison, Shawcross was released by a parole board chosen by Democratic governor Mario Cuomo. Despite the conclusion of Cuomo's appointees on the parole board that Shawcross was ready to become an integral part of society again, society didn't think so, and repeatedly protested having him in their neighborhoods.

Fortunately for Shawcross, Cuomo's parole board abjured primitive emotions like vengeance and retribution, and helpfully relocated him to Rochester, New York - without warning anyone, not even the police department. The important thing was to treat Shawcross with dignity and respect. Within 2 years, Shawcross committed 11 more murders in the Rochester area. He was eventually caught and convicted a second time. This time,he was put away for good - assuming a Democrat never gets into power and sets him loose again.

That's what happened in America when liberals were at the controls. Only in the 80s, did the country begin to fight its way back from liberal insanity on crime, electing Republican presidents, Republican governors, and Republican legislatures."

So, one case means we need to accept Donnie the Scumbag?

Really?
and besides,. Ann Coulter - the bastard transvestite son of Rush Limbaugh?

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Illegals commit fewer crimes than US citizens.

Wrong, illegals commit far more crime vs US citizens stop lying. I have already corrected you on this before yet you keep telling the same lie over and over again. RealDave professional liar I guess, here have a bunch of these

no, you're full of shit, as usual

Analysis | Trump’s claim that immigrants bring ‘tremendous crime’ is still wrong

More fake news from the fake poster. Here eat this...In New York, over three times as many illegal immigrants or 169, are imprisoned for crimes per 100,000, as compared to only 48 citizens and legal non-citizen immigrants

 

[usmbguest5318]

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Post all the FAKE NEWS you want I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies go look it up.

Below is every post you've in this thread made prior to the one above, which is post 40. You've not posted a damn thing that readers can verifiably trace to so much as one government agency and you've not put one reference/corroborating link in any of those posts. If have ever posted such information on USMB, it damn sure isn't in this thread.

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Wrong, illegals commit far more crime vs US citizens stop lying. I have already corrected you on this before yet you keep telling the same lie over and over again. RealDave professional liar I guess, here have a bunch of these

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

In contrast, four of the first five bullet-list references to which I linked are government agency/department/bureau sourced:

• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Justice publication entitled The Nature of Crime: Continuity and Change.
  
• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch
  
• Prisoners in 2013 comes from the Dept. of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics
  
• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch

 

[BluesLegend]

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Post all the FAKE NEWS you want I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies go look it up.

Below is every post you've in this thread made prior to the one above, which is post 40. You've not posted a damn thing that readers can verifiably trace to so much as one government agency and you've not put one reference/corroborating link in any of those posts. If have ever posted such information on USMB, it damn sure isn't in this thread.

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Wrong, illegals commit far more crime vs US citizens stop lying. I have already corrected you on this before yet you keep telling the same lie over and over again. RealDave professional liar I guess, here have a bunch of these

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

In contrast, four of the first five bullet-list references to which I linked are government agency/department/bureau sourced:

• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Justice publication entitled The Nature of Crime: Continuity and Change.
  
• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch
  
• Prisoners in 2013 comes from the Dept. of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics
  
• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

 

[Timmy]

There's a myriad of reasons to vote Republican, but a few of them whack you right in the jaw, and can't be denied, no matter the level of liberal spin applied. Occasionally, I like to post the words of a good conservative author, who can speak as well as anyone, and better than most.

The following is from the book Godless by Ann Coulter (pg. 33-34), and tells a typical horror story created by liberals in New York state. It just involves one criminal person, but there are dozens of other accounts just like it ,which can be also revealed, upon request if need be.

"Arthur Shawcross is the two-word explanation for why normal people prefer locking criminals up to releasing them, despite the risk we run of turning them into "scapegoats." In 1972, Shawcross molested and murdered a 10 year old boy, he had lured into the woods. A few months later, he raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. He was arrested and confessed to the crimes. For reasons that remain mysterious, the charges against Shawcross for the boy's murder were dropped altogether. Instead, Shawcross pleaded guilty to manslaughter for the girl's rape and murder, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

In 1987, after serving only 15 years in prison, Shawcross was released by a parole board chosen by Democratic governor Mario Cuomo. Despite the conclusion of Cuomo's appointees on the parole board that Shawcross was ready to become an integral part of society again, society didn't think so, and repeatedly protested having him in their neighborhoods.

Fortunately for Shawcross, Cuomo's parole board abjured primitive emotions like vengeance and retribution, and helpfully relocated him to Rochester, New York - without warning anyone, not even the police department. The important thing was to treat Shawcross with dignity and respect. Within 2 years, Shawcross committed 11 more murders in the Rochester area. He was eventually caught and convicted a second time. This time,he was put away for good - assuming a Democrat never gets into power and sets him loose again.

That's what happened in America when liberals were at the controls. Only in the 80s, did the country begin to fight its way back from liberal insanity on crime, electing Republican presidents, Republican governors, and Republican legislatures."

It’s true ! Blue states let child molestors go free, in red states the child molestors run for Senate !

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

He should have hung the day after his trial. Problem solved.

Never happen with Democrats at the controls.

That makes a ton of more government that's not really necessary.

Lawyers, jailers, judges, administrators.

The Paper Chase

The "rule of law" is the rule of lawyers, who are rich kids whose Daddies can afford the 7 years of working without pay that it takes to get a law degree.

 

[usmbguest5318]

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

What year's report?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

There's a myriad of reasons to vote Republican, but a few of them whack you right in the jaw, and can't be denied, no matter the level of liberal spin applied. Occasionally, I like to post the words of a good conservative author, who can speak as well as anyone, and better than most.

The following is from the book Godless by Ann Coulter (pg. 33-34), and tells a typical horror story created by liberals in New York state. It just involves one criminal person, but there are dozens of other accounts just like it ,which can be also revealed, upon request if need be.

"Arthur Shawcross is the two-word explanation for why normal people prefer locking criminals up to releasing them, despite the risk we run of turning them into "scapegoats." In 1972, Shawcross molested and murdered a 10 year old boy, he had lured into the woods. A few months later, he raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. He was arrested and confessed to the crimes. For reasons that remain mysterious, the charges against Shawcross for the boy's murder were dropped altogether. Instead, Shawcross pleaded guilty to manslaughter for the girl's rape and murder, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

In 1987, after serving only 15 years in prison, Shawcross was released by a parole board chosen by Democratic governor Mario Cuomo. Despite the conclusion of Cuomo's appointees on the parole board that Shawcross was ready to become an integral part of society again, society didn't think so, and repeatedly protested having him in their neighborhoods.

Fortunately for Shawcross, Cuomo's parole board abjured primitive emotions like vengeance and retribution, and helpfully relocated him to Rochester, New York - without warning anyone, not even the police department. The important thing was to treat Shawcross with dignity and respect. Within 2 years, Shawcross committed 11 more murders in the Rochester area. He was eventually caught and convicted a second time. This time,he was put away for good - assuming a Democrat never gets into power and sets him loose again.

That's what happened in America when liberals were at the controls. Only in the 80s, did the country begin to fight its way back from liberal insanity on crime, electing Republican presidents, Republican governors, and Republican legislatures."

So, one case means we need to accept Donnie the Scumbag?

Really?
and besides,. Ann Coulter - the bastard transvestite son of Rush Limbaugh?

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Illegals commit fewer crimes than US citizens.

100% of illegals commit crimes. Are you seriously stating that citizens somehow are doing even more?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

There's a myriad of reasons to vote Republican, but a few of them whack you right in the jaw, and can't be denied, no matter the level of liberal spin applied. Occasionally, I like to post the words of a good conservative author, who can speak as well as anyone, and better than most.

The following is from the book Godless by Ann Coulter (pg. 33-34), and tells a typical horror story created by liberals in New York state. It just involves one criminal person, but there are dozens of other accounts just like it ,which can be also revealed, upon request if need be.

"Arthur Shawcross is the two-word explanation for why normal people prefer locking criminals up to releasing them, despite the risk we run of turning them into "scapegoats." In 1972, Shawcross molested and murdered a 10 year old boy, he had lured into the woods. A few months later, he raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. He was arrested and confessed to the crimes. For reasons that remain mysterious, the charges against Shawcross for the boy's murder were dropped altogether. Instead, Shawcross pleaded guilty to manslaughter for the girl's rape and murder, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

In 1987, after serving only 15 years in prison, Shawcross was released by a parole board chosen by Democratic governor Mario Cuomo. Despite the conclusion of Cuomo's appointees on the parole board that Shawcross was ready to become an integral part of society again, society didn't think so, and repeatedly protested having him in their neighborhoods.

Fortunately for Shawcross, Cuomo's parole board abjured primitive emotions like vengeance and retribution, and helpfully relocated him to Rochester, New York - without warning anyone, not even the police department. The important thing was to treat Shawcross with dignity and respect. Within 2 years, Shawcross committed 11 more murders in the Rochester area. He was eventually caught and convicted a second time. This time,he was put away for good - assuming a Democrat never gets into power and sets him loose again.

That's what happened in America when liberals were at the controls. Only in the 80s, did the country begin to fight its way back from liberal insanity on crime, electing Republican presidents, Republican governors, and Republican legislatures."

cool story, bro, but i'm still not going to move to some flyover, bible thumping shithole.

We would prefer you didn't. Thanks for thinking of us.

 

[BluesLegend]

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

What year's report?

2014

 

[usmbguest5318]

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

What year's report?

2014

TY

 

[del]

There's a myriad of reasons to vote Republican, but a few of them whack you right in the jaw, and can't be denied, no matter the level of liberal spin applied. Occasionally, I like to post the words of a good conservative author, who can speak as well as anyone, and better than most.

The following is from the book Godless by Ann Coulter (pg. 33-34), and tells a typical horror story created by liberals in New York state. It just involves one criminal person, but there are dozens of other accounts just like it ,which can be also revealed, upon request if need be.

"Arthur Shawcross is the two-word explanation for why normal people prefer locking criminals up to releasing them, despite the risk we run of turning them into "scapegoats." In 1972, Shawcross molested and murdered a 10 year old boy, he had lured into the woods. A few months later, he raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. He was arrested and confessed to the crimes. For reasons that remain mysterious, the charges against Shawcross for the boy's murder were dropped altogether. Instead, Shawcross pleaded guilty to manslaughter for the girl's rape and murder, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

In 1987, after serving only 15 years in prison, Shawcross was released by a parole board chosen by Democratic governor Mario Cuomo. Despite the conclusion of Cuomo's appointees on the parole board that Shawcross was ready to become an integral part of society again, society didn't think so, and repeatedly protested having him in their neighborhoods.

Fortunately for Shawcross, Cuomo's parole board abjured primitive emotions like vengeance and retribution, and helpfully relocated him to Rochester, New York - without warning anyone, not even the police department. The important thing was to treat Shawcross with dignity and respect. Within 2 years, Shawcross committed 11 more murders in the Rochester area. He was eventually caught and convicted a second time. This time,he was put away for good - assuming a Democrat never gets into power and sets him loose again.

That's what happened in America when liberals were at the controls. Only in the 80s, did the country begin to fight its way back from liberal insanity on crime, electing Republican presidents, Republican governors, and Republican legislatures."

So, one case means we need to accept Donnie the Scumbag?

Really?
and besides,. Ann Coulter - the bastard transvestite son of Rush Limbaugh?

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Illegals commit fewer crimes than US citizens.

100% of illegals commit crimes. Are you seriously stating that citizens somehow are doing even more?

overstaying your visa isn't a crime

about 50% of illegals have overstayed their visas

you're welcome, sparky

 

[usmbguest5318]

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Post all the FAKE NEWS you want I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies go look it up.

Below is every post you've in this thread made prior to the one above, which is post 40. You've not posted a damn thing that readers can verifiably trace to so much as one government agency and you've not put one reference/corroborating link in any of those posts. If have ever posted such information on USMB, it damn sure isn't in this thread.

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Wrong, illegals commit far more crime vs US citizens stop lying. I have already corrected you on this before yet you keep telling the same lie over and over again. RealDave professional liar I guess, here have a bunch of these

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

In contrast, four of the first five bullet-list references to which I linked are government agency/department/bureau sourced:

• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Justice publication entitled The Nature of Crime: Continuity and Change.
  
• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch
  
• Prisoners in 2013 comes from the Dept. of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics
  
• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

NUMBER 1:

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

All of those figures, no matter their accuracy and representational faithfulness, are ingermane to exceptions I have expressed with regard to your post 20 and post 40.​

• Post 20: Your assertion with which I took exception is the one below. Citing one type of criminal activity, or activity in one state, is insufficient to validate the first assertion you made and with which I took exception.
  

  illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

• Post 40: The second assertion you made and with which I took exception is this one:
  

  I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies

  Even now you've not shown that at the time you posted that claim you had anywhere "posted the FACTS from several government agencies."

NUMBER 2:

2A:

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

In spite your cagily not providing source links as I did for all the figures I cited in my post, the first so-called fact you noted is one I'm aware of because it's so unfaithfully representational that it's damn near "famous," in a manner of speaking.

What year's report?

2014

That statement came from an email Matt Gaetz (FL) sent to his constituents. When asked about that claim, Gaetz pointed to a September 2015 FoxNews.com report by Malia Zimmerman, headlined, "Elusive crime wave data shows frightening toll of illegal immigrant criminals." That news report does not at all make the assertion Gaetz did.

2B:

What year's report?

2014

The most recent U.S. Sentencing Commission (USSC) report available for that report is the one from 2014.

• U.S. Sentencing Commission Final Quarterly Data Report - Fiscal Year 2014

Here is the table of crimes apportioned by offender citizenship from the 2014 Datafile USSCFY14.

​

There is no 75% figure, so I presume Gaetz rounded his figure up from the 74% figure [1] cited for "Drugs - Simple Possession." Reading the document, one finds that the USSC defines "Drugs - Simple Possession" as "distribution of a small amount of marijuana and simple possession."

Using the USSC's 2014 report data, the percentage of "criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses" and who were also illegal immigrants is 22%. [2]​

Note:

1. The basic report USSC report table (Table 26), unlike the report pictured above, does not distinguish between illegally and legally present-in-the-U.S.
   
   
   
   
   
2. Using the data from the USSC's 2014 report table 26, one finds that combining legal and illegal immigrants, immigrants comprise 30.7% of all the drug related convictions reported/tracked by the USSC.

NUMBER 3:

Please provide the source content for the other two statistical quotes you provided.​

 

[BluesLegend]

There's a myriad of reasons to vote Republican, but a few of them whack you right in the jaw, and can't be denied, no matter the level of liberal spin applied. Occasionally, I like to post the words of a good conservative author, who can speak as well as anyone, and better than most.

The following is from the book Godless by Ann Coulter (pg. 33-34), and tells a typical horror story created by liberals in New York state. It just involves one criminal person, but there are dozens of other accounts just like it ,which can be also revealed, upon request if need be.

"Arthur Shawcross is the two-word explanation for why normal people prefer locking criminals up to releasing them, despite the risk we run of turning them into "scapegoats." In 1972, Shawcross molested and murdered a 10 year old boy, he had lured into the woods. A few months later, he raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. He was arrested and confessed to the crimes. For reasons that remain mysterious, the charges against Shawcross for the boy's murder were dropped altogether. Instead, Shawcross pleaded guilty to manslaughter for the girl's rape and murder, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

In 1987, after serving only 15 years in prison, Shawcross was released by a parole board chosen by Democratic governor Mario Cuomo. Despite the conclusion of Cuomo's appointees on the parole board that Shawcross was ready to become an integral part of society again, society didn't think so, and repeatedly protested having him in their neighborhoods.

Fortunately for Shawcross, Cuomo's parole board abjured primitive emotions like vengeance and retribution, and helpfully relocated him to Rochester, New York - without warning anyone, not even the police department. The important thing was to treat Shawcross with dignity and respect. Within 2 years, Shawcross committed 11 more murders in the Rochester area. He was eventually caught and convicted a second time. This time,he was put away for good - assuming a Democrat never gets into power and sets him loose again.

That's what happened in America when liberals were at the controls. Only in the 80s, did the country begin to fight its way back from liberal insanity on crime, electing Republican presidents, Republican governors, and Republican legislatures."

So, one case means we need to accept Donnie the Scumbag?

Really?
and besides,. Ann Coulter - the bastard transvestite son of Rush Limbaugh?

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Illegals commit fewer crimes than US citizens.

100% of illegals commit crimes. Are you seriously stating that citizens somehow are doing even more?

overstaying your visa isn't a crime

about 50% of illegals have overstayed their visas

you're welcome, sparky

You know what's a crime? Illegals killing and raping thousands of Americans that's a crime. Millions of illegals engaged in tax fraud that's a crime. Illegals assaulting, robbing, trafficking drugs that's a crime. Illegals arrested in Texas between 2011 and 2017 committed nearly 600,000 crimes.

The DOJ and Homeland Security says its costing American taxpayers $19 million a day to house illegals in our jails and prisons. That's nearly $7 billion dollars a year.

 

[BluesLegend]

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Post all the FAKE NEWS you want I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies go look it up.

Below is every post you've in this thread made prior to the one above, which is post 40. You've not posted a damn thing that readers can verifiably trace to so much as one government agency and you've not put one reference/corroborating link in any of those posts. If have ever posted such information on USMB, it damn sure isn't in this thread.

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Wrong, illegals commit far more crime vs US citizens stop lying. I have already corrected you on this before yet you keep telling the same lie over and over again. RealDave professional liar I guess, here have a bunch of these

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

In contrast, four of the first five bullet-list references to which I linked are government agency/department/bureau sourced:

• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Justice publication entitled The Nature of Crime: Continuity and Change.
  
• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch
  
• Prisoners in 2013 comes from the Dept. of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics
  
• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

NUMBER 1:

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

All of those figures, no matter their accuracy and representational faithfulness, are ingermane to exceptions I have expressed with regard to your post 20 and post 40.​

• Post 20: Your assertion with which I took exception is the one below. Citing one type of criminal activity, or activity in one state, is insufficient to validate the first assertion you made and with which I took exception.
  

  illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

• Post 40: The second assertion you made and with which I took exception is this one:
  

  I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies

  Even now you've not shown that at the time you posted that claim you had anywhere "posted the FACTS from several government agencies."

NUMBER 2:

2A:

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

In spite your cagily not providing source links as I did for all the figures I cited in my post, the first so-called fact you noted is one I'm aware of because it's so unfaithfully representational that it's damn near "famous," in a manner of speaking.

What year's report?

2014

That statement came from an email Matt Gaetz (FL) sent to his constituents. When asked about that claim, Gaetz pointed to a September 2015 FoxNews.com report by Malia Zimmerman, headlined, "Elusive crime wave data shows frightening toll of illegal immigrant criminals." That news report does not at all make the assertion Gaetz did.

2B:

What year's report?

2014

The most recent U.S. Sentencing Commission (USSC) report available for that report is the one from 2014.

• U.S. Sentencing Commission Final Quarterly Data Report - Fiscal Year 2014

Here is the table of crimes apportioned by offender citizenship from the 2014 Datafile USSCFY14.

View attachment 183587
​

There is no 75% figure, so I presume Gaetz rounded his figure up from the 74% figure [1] cited for "Drugs - Simple Possession." Reading the document, one finds that the USSC defines "Drugs - Simple Possession" as "distribution of a small amount of marijuana and simple possession."

Using the USSC's 2014 report data, the percentage of "criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses" and who were also illegal immigrants is 22%. [2]​

Note:

1. The basic report USSC report table (Table 26), unlike the report pictured above, does not distinguish between illegally and legally present-in-the-U.S.
   
   View attachment 183588
   
2. Using the data from the USSC's 2014 report table 26, one finds that combining legal and illegal immigrants, immigrants comprise 30.7% of all the drug related convictions reported/tracked by the USSC.

NUMBER 3:

Please provide the source content for the other two statistical quotes you provided.​

I have little interest in your fake news manifestos.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Here's Why To Not Let Your State Go Blue

Because "blue" =

That should be reason enough.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

He should have hung the day after his trial. Problem solved.

Never happen with Democrats at the controls.

Which was pretty much your original point, wasn't it?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Not to mention the slaughter of thousands of children every day, via abortion; which the LIbErals strongly support.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

There's a myriad of reasons to vote Republican, but a few of them whack you right in the jaw, and can't be denied, no matter the level of liberal spin applied. Occasionally, I like to post the words of a good conservative author, who can speak as well as anyone, and better than most.

The following is from the book Godless by Ann Coulter (pg. 33-34), and tells a typical horror story created by liberals in New York state. It just involves one criminal person, but there are dozens of other accounts just like it ,which can be also revealed, upon request if need be.

"Arthur Shawcross is the two-word explanation for why normal people prefer locking criminals up to releasing them, despite the risk we run of turning them into "scapegoats." In 1972, Shawcross molested and murdered a 10 year old boy, he had lured into the woods. A few months later, he raped and murdered an 8 year old girl. He was arrested and confessed to the crimes. For reasons that remain mysterious, the charges against Shawcross for the boy's murder were dropped altogether. Instead, Shawcross pleaded guilty to manslaughter for the girl's rape and murder, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

In 1987, after serving only 15 years in prison, Shawcross was released by a parole board chosen by Democratic governor Mario Cuomo. Despite the conclusion of Cuomo's appointees on the parole board that Shawcross was ready to become an integral part of society again, society didn't think so, and repeatedly protested having him in their neighborhoods.

Fortunately for Shawcross, Cuomo's parole board abjured primitive emotions like vengeance and retribution, and helpfully relocated him to Rochester, New York - without warning anyone, not even the police department. The important thing was to treat Shawcross with dignity and respect. Within 2 years, Shawcross committed 11 more murders in the Rochester area. He was eventually caught and convicted a second time. This time,he was put away for good - assuming a Democrat never gets into power and sets him loose again.

That's what happened in America when liberals were at the controls. Only in the 80s, did the country begin to fight its way back from liberal insanity on crime, electing Republican presidents, Republican governors, and Republican legislatures."

So, one case means we need to accept Donnie the Scumbag?

Really?
and besides,. Ann Coulter - the bastard transvestite son of Rush Limbaugh?

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Illegals commit fewer crimes than US citizens.

100% of illegals commit crimes. Are you seriously stating that citizens somehow are doing even more?

overstaying your visa isn't a crime

about 50% of illegals have overstayed their visas

you're welcome, sparky

Over staying your visa is a crime. That's why there's a time limit on it. You can't just move in here once that visa is timed out. That's why we call them illegals. They are here illegally. How is this so hard to understand there spunky?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So, one case means we need to accept Donnie the Scumbag?

Really?
and besides,. Ann Coulter - the bastard transvestite son of Rush Limbaugh?

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Illegals commit fewer crimes than US citizens.

100% of illegals commit crimes. Are you seriously stating that citizens somehow are doing even more?

overstaying your visa isn't a crime

about 50% of illegals have overstayed their visas

you're welcome, sparky

You know what's a crime? Illegals killing and raping thousands of Americans that's a crime. Millions of illegals engaged in tax fraud that's a crime. Illegals assaulting, robbing, trafficking drugs that's a crime. Illegals arrested in Texas between 2011 and 2017 committed nearly 600,000 crimes.

The DOJ and Homeland Security says its costing American taxpayers $19 million a day to house illegals in our jails and prisons. That's nearly $7 billion dollars a year.

All of those are extra crimes on top of the one big one. They are here illegally. That's the one crime that needs punished and the rest won't happen.

 

[usmbguest5318]

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

​

Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Post all the FAKE NEWS you want I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies go look it up.

Below is every post you've in this thread made prior to the one above, which is post 40. You've not posted a damn thing that readers can verifiably trace to so much as one government agency and you've not put one reference/corroborating link in any of those posts. If have ever posted such information on USMB, it damn sure isn't in this thread.

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Wrong, illegals commit far more crime vs US citizens stop lying. I have already corrected you on this before yet you keep telling the same lie over and over again. RealDave professional liar I guess, here have a bunch of these

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

In contrast, four of the first five bullet-list references to which I linked are government agency/department/bureau sourced:

• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Justice publication entitled The Nature of Crime: Continuity and Change.
  
• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch
  
• Prisoners in 2013 comes from the Dept. of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics
  
• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

This claim too has been resoundingly shown to be literally fake news.

• There Is No Evidence of an Illegal Immigrant Crime Wave: Why the “Elusive Crime Wave Data Shows Frightening Toll of Illegal Immigrant Criminals” Is Flawed

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

Unless a hell of a lot in that regard has changed since 2014, in the U.S., no, they don't for the most part.

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Surely you will acknowledge that there were far more than 140K crimes committed in 2000. Furthermore:

• 2010/2015 -- The Criminalization of Immigration in the United States
  • Immigrants are less likely than native-born individuals to engage in criminal behavior.
  • In 2010, 10.7% of native-born men aged 18-39 without a high school degree were incarcerated compared to 2.8% of Mexican immigrants and 1.7% of Guatemalan and Salvadoran immigrants.
• 2014 -- ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report
  • 177,960 --> The quantity of undocumented immigrants deported in 2013 who were convicted criminals
• 2015 -- U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake
  • "Between FY 2010 and FY 2014, there were 121 unique criminal aliens who had an active case at the time of release and were subsequently charged with homicide-related offenses." That's about nine per year.
• 2013 -- Prisoners in 2013
  • There were 73,665 inmates in state and federal prisons who are not U.S. citizens.
• 2000 -- On Immigration and Crime
  • With few exceptions, immigrants are less crime prone than natives or have no effect on crime rates.
• 2000/2007 -- Why Are Immigrants' Crime Rates So Low?
  • Butcher and Piehl examine the incarceration rates for men aged 18-40 in the 1980, 1990, and 2000 Censuses. In each year immigrants are less likely to be incarcerated than natives with the gap widening each decade. By 2000, immigrants have incarceration rates that are one-fifth those of the native-born.
• 2013 -- Understanding the Impact of Immigration on Crime
  • Spenkuch found that a 10% increase in the share of immigrants increases the property crime rate by 1.2% and that immigrants have no on violent crime rates. He found too that Mexican immigrants account entirely for the effect on property crime rates, committing 3.5 to 5 times as many property crimes as the average native; however, all other immigrants commit less than half as many crimes of any sort as natives.
• Various years -- Multiple researchers found that the population of immigrants is either not correlated or negatively correlated with crime rates.
  • Secure Communities (S-COMM) program [1] analysis -- Miles and Cox used the phased rollout to see how S-COMM affected crime rates per county. If immigrants were disproportionately criminal, then S-COMM would decrease the crime rates. They found that S-COMM “led to no meaningful reduction in the FBI index crime rate” including violent crimes. Treyger et al found that S-COMM did not decrease crime rates nor did it lead to an increase in discriminatory policing that some critics were worried about.
    • Does Immigration Enforcement Reduce Crime? Evidence from “Secure Communities”
    • Immigration Enforcement, Policing, and Crime
  • 2000 -- Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980–2000
    • Ousey and Kubrin looked at 159 cities at three dates between 1980 and 2000 and found that crime rates and levels of immigration are not correlated. Their research found that “[v]iolent crime is not a deleterious consequence of increased immigration.”
  • Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States
    • Using time‐series techniques and annual data for metropolitan areas over the 1994–2004 period, [Stowell et al] assessed the impact of changes in immigration on changes in violent crime rates. Their multivariate analyses showed that violent crime rates tended to decrease as metropolitan areas experienced gains in their concentration of immigrants. This inverse relationship was especially robust for robbery.

From the findings of the studies above, both Census-data driven ones and macro-level ones, the notion that immigrants are more crime-prone than natives does not hold water. There are numerous reasons why immigrant criminality is lower than native criminality. One explanation is that immigrants who commit crimes can be deported and thus are punished more for criminal behavior, making them less likely to break the law.


There is, of course, one crime genre whereof illegal immigrants commit almost exclusively are the perpetrators: immigration offenses. Because immigration violations are crimes, to the extent immigration-law-only offenses are included in immigrant crime, doing so materially overstates immigrant crime rates, thereby denuding greatly their legitimacy for asserting that immigrants commit more crime than do non-immigrants.


Note:

1. The Secure Communities program (S-COMM) uses a federal information-sharing partnership between DHS and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that helps to identify in-custody aliens without imposing new or additional requirements on state and local law enforcement. For decades, local jurisdictions have shared the fingerprints of individuals arrested and/or booked into custody with the FBI to see if those individuals have a criminal record and outstanding warrants.
   
   Under S-COMM, the FBI automatically sends the fingerprints to DHS to check against its immigration databases. If these checks reveal that an individual is unlawfully present in the United States or otherwise removable, ICE takes enforcement action -- prioritizing the removal of individuals who present the most significant threats to public safety as determined by the severity of their crime, their criminal history, and risk to public safety – as well as those who have violated the nation’s immigration laws.
   
   S-COMM proved beneficial for facilitating deportations, but not useful at reducing crime rates. Note that the remark to which this post is a response is about immigrants' criminality, not the government's success at/rate of deportations.

Post all the FAKE NEWS you want I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies go look it up.

Below is every post you've in this thread made prior to the one above, which is post 40. You've not posted a damn thing that readers can verifiably trace to so much as one government agency and you've not put one reference/corroborating link in any of those posts. If have ever posted such information on USMB, it damn sure isn't in this thread.

If you think this bothers liberals or deters them in any way you are wrong. They don't care how many victims they help murder, illegals have killed and raped thousands of Americans and they side with illegals at every opportunity.

Illegals have killed thousands of Americans and you people take their side at every opportunity, ignore federal law and give them sanctuary. THOUSANDS of cases. You can't defend it so deflect like I know you will.

Wrong, illegals commit far more crime vs US citizens stop lying. I have already corrected you on this before yet you keep telling the same lie over and over again. RealDave professional liar I guess, here have a bunch of these

He's lying, illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens. The FBI and several government agencies stats prove it. Not only do they commit more crimes, the crimes they commit are more serious and violent crimes.

In contrast, four of the first five bullet-list references to which I linked are government agency/department/bureau sourced:

• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Justice publication entitled The Nature of Crime: Continuity and Change.
  
• U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to Sen. Flake comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch
  
• Prisoners in 2013 comes from the Dept. of Justice's Bureau of Justice Statistics
  
• ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations Report comes from the Department of Homeland Security's ICE branch

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

NUMBER 1:

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegals were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S. yet make up only 3% of the population.

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

All of those figures, no matter their accuracy and representational faithfulness, are ingermane to exceptions I have expressed with regard to your post 20 and post 40.​

• Post 20: Your assertion with which I took exception is the one below. Citing one type of criminal activity, or activity in one state, is insufficient to validate the first assertion you made and with which I took exception.
  

  illegals commit far more crimes than American citizens.

• Post 40: The second assertion you made and with which I took exception is this one:
  

  I already posted the FACTS from several government agencies

  Even now you've not shown that at the time you posted that claim you had anywhere "posted the FACTS from several government agencies."

NUMBER 2:

2A:

The U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegals.

In spite your cagily not providing source links as I did for all the figures I cited in my post, the first so-called fact you noted is one I'm aware of because it's so unfaithfully representational that it's damn near "famous," in a manner of speaking.

What year's report?

2014

That statement came from an email Matt Gaetz (FL) sent to his constituents. When asked about that claim, Gaetz pointed to a September 2015 FoxNews.com report by Malia Zimmerman, headlined, "Elusive crime wave data shows frightening toll of illegal immigrant criminals." That news report does not at all make the assertion Gaetz did.

2B:

What year's report?

2014

The most recent U.S. Sentencing Commission (USSC) report available for that report is the one from 2014.

• U.S. Sentencing Commission Final Quarterly Data Report - Fiscal Year 2014

Here is the table of crimes apportioned by offender citizenship from the 2014 Datafile USSCFY14.

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There is no 75% figure, so I presume Gaetz rounded his figure up from the 74% figure [1] cited for "Drugs - Simple Possession." Reading the document, one finds that the USSC defines "Drugs - Simple Possession" as "distribution of a small amount of marijuana and simple possession."

Using the USSC's 2014 report data, the percentage of "criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses" and who were also illegal immigrants is 22%. [2]​

Note:

1. The basic report USSC report table (Table 26), unlike the report pictured above, does not distinguish between illegally and legally present-in-the-U.S.
   
   View attachment 183588
   
2. Using the data from the USSC's 2014 report table 26, one finds that combining legal and illegal immigrants, immigrants comprise 30.7% of all the drug related convictions reported/tracked by the USSC.

NUMBER 3:

Please provide the source content for the other two statistical quotes you provided.​

I have little interest in your fake news manifestos.

I have little interest in your fake news manifestos.

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I see you're not "screaming and shouting" now like you were back at post 43, now are you. No, indeedee. All you have is the above puerile retort now that I've laid it out black and white for all to see that:

• The numbers in the report you cited quite simply don't "add up" as you/Gaetz claim they do.
• Neither you nor the guy who made that claim (Gaetz) bothered to read the actual report from which supposedly the metric came

You're a conservative and insofar as you are, you're going to want to cite conservative rhetoric, but the thing is this: intelligent conservatives know there's so much BS propaganda coming from Fox News that before they repeat it, they had better check it so as not to make a fool of themselves repeating it in public to someone who, unlike the typical Fox News listener, knows what they're talking about and/or who will, as Reagan implored, "trust, but verify."

Department of Homeland Security (DHS) between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 illegals were arrested and booked into Texas jails. They had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults.

• In the same period:
  • How many non-illegals "were arrested and booked into Texas jails?"
    • Of those non-illegals, how many total offenses had they "jointly committed?"

I'm asking you because I've looked for the DHS report that provides that metric and cannot find it. It appears a "redditor" has also sought the original source report, to no avail. Not one of the publications I found that reported/cited that particular set of metrics contained a link to the DHS source material. Several of them cite The Hill editorial by Ron Martinelli, but his editorial doesn't link to the DHS source data or report. I can tell, therefore, that the right wing "echo chamber" has been busy, but I can't tell that there's any more to the above noted metrics than that. It's clearly on its way to becoming an "urban legend," so to speak.

Are you Ron Martinelli? Did you just make up those metrics? Is Ron Martinelli another of Trump's pseudonyms? (Donald Trump's Long, Strange History of Using Fake Names)