Here We Go... MASS Votes To Side Step Electoral College System

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    Same question here.
     
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    So much for republic...
     
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    Article Two;

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    Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
    Article Two of the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    While not intending to insult the Mass. legislature , I wonder where the outrage is over a state stepping on the constitution as has been heard over and over here in Arizona. The DOJ was quick to run into the court making a claim on a Supremacy Clause violation , I wonder then should Mass. make laws that violate Article Two would the DOJ take them to court on any viloations of the constitution as well, it remains to be seen. The manner in which we elect a president can be easily addressed with a constitutional amendment if the states are of a mind that the current system is so unfair that it does not work anymore. Although I doubt that Mass. will take that road because they will find that the needed number of of states to ratify such an amendment at this point in time is lacking because small states are not of a mind to be slaves to the larger ones.
     
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    So what happens now? How do the votes get counted? So much from each state from the electoral college, and then... what? A bunch from Mass?

    What they're trying to do is make sure that the cities elect the Presidents, where all the liberals reside. They're attempting to make sure that the bread basket of America, from which most conservatives hail, become irrelevant in Presidential elections.

    Ya know... I've said there's another Civil War coming for years now. Shit like this just pushes us closer to it. Do you really think middle America is going to let the liberal likes of N.Y. and L.A., etc., simply DICTATE who the President is going to be? Not a chance. This is only going to create way more trouble.
     
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    This is very disturbing. Socialists/Progressives don't care about our Constitution. When is America going to wake up? It's time to give the Socialists/Progressives the boot. Shame on them.
     
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    That "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors" bit from Article II you posted--that's this. Their state legislature wants to award the state's electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote

    There's nothing even close to unconstitutional about that because the state legislature is specifically empowered by Article II to decide any way it pleases how it will appoint electors.
     
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    Within that said state the legislature can appoint those Electors as they see fit, however, if those electors are awarded as a result of popular vote not related to the said states results IMHO that is a violation of several articles of the constitution Article 2 included .
     
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    14th
    2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    Let me give you an example, for those that wish to reform the nation into a pure democracy. A candidate wins his or her states election for President or Vice President and yet they don't win those states Electors because of the results in other states denying those citizens their rights within their own state to select thier own candidate. One other side issue here is this, in a situtation where you have a national popular vote, then you have states that are perpetually at the will of larger states, thus rendering the whole concept of a Democratic Republic mute and that is not the nation that was founded called the Unted States.
     

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