Help find an alternative to the old socialist healthcare system before its too late!

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    Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, did not see it coming. When they were young a minuscule amount of our GDP was spent on health care. While a hospital / care facility in 1920 might take you in during your final days you would die quickly before costing anyone much money.

    Fast forward to the 1970s and we start getting some pretty expensive treatments and some crazy passive socialist system where I pay for helpless poor people who can't afford the treatments.

    Now we find the old Nixon era system breaking us. Now to fix the freeloader problem Obamacare is an active system which acknowledges the human failings of not getting insurance when you are young and healthy or when you make minimum wage at Walmat and promises to charge all of us somewhat fairly for it every day of our lives.

    W/O resorting to hiring Jesus to walk the streets healing the lepers anyone have ideas? Shipping the sick and poor to Mexico won't work.

    It will hurt my already depressed property values too much to have the sick lying on the street corners when they can't pay.
     
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    I'm not interested in chosing between statism and statism lite. That's the shit hole Europeans find themsevles in.

    The people who left there came her to find liberty.
     
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    How about we go back to capitalism, which we had pre 1930's running the market. You know, patient pay doctor or hosiptal directly? No employers involved, no government mandates, no insurance companies playing games.

    It used to be that way. But ever since the New Deal government has had to be in charge and making sure people are 'taken care of'. They stick to standards and quality of care issues, and the anti-fraud consumer protection stuff, and we'll pay our doctors for services rendered.
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    Why not have a government run insurance plan that I can choose to pay into? I call that collective bargaining with a larger pool of people. Why are capitalists so afraid of a little competition?
     
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    Other than Military? What does Government run well?

    You would have bureaucrats make your decisions for you? Seriously?
     
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    You should have exactly what you want, as long as I dont pay for a penny of it. I think everyone who wants this should put all the money in and we can just sit back and watch how great it is.

    Here is a picture of how the government runs Detroit, you could most likely use this building.

    I cannot buy the building because the government employees of the Detroit government are kind of, "under-educated", the records are so screwed up they have no idea who own the buildings, who owes what tax, so you should have your healthcare where it will cost you the less.

    The government runs everything the best, you deserve to be the test, they should get one state and put you all in it and the rest of the nation can watch the government run experiment. It could be a MTV show, or Survivor, I would love to watch and the commercials could help pay for your cancer treatment.

    Start your own government program that the public can opt out of, as in zero of our money and all yours.
     

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    Building the confidence of China?
     
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    I don't think government should be involved in healthcare period. An absolute must is that we should demand serious tort reform. All these massive class-action lawsuits go a hell of a long way toward to wreaking havoc all over the whole economic spectrum - and the only people who get rich are the lawyers. Medical malpractice suits do the same thing. It's one thing to get real compensation for damages/injuries but millions upon millions of dollars in punitive compensation? I don't think so.
     
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