Hawking's Life's Work About to be Falsified

[SSDD]

This isn't really about climate science but there is a small group (and you know who you are) who regularly hold up Hawking's belief in AGW as evidence of AGW. The paper "On the Invalidity of the Hawking-Penrose Singularity ‘Theorems’ and Acceleration of the Universe from Negative Cosmological Constant" is about to demonstrate conclusively that for all of his "star appeal" Stephen Hawking really isn't, and never was, all that.

Stephen Crothers, probably one of the most brilliant scholars in Einsteinian type general relativity has written a new paper challenging Hawking's life's work...the Hawking - Penrose Singularity Theorem. Crothers argues that "“To disprove the Hawking-Penrose Singularity Theorem requires only disproof of one of the conditions the Theorem must satisfy. Nonetheless, all of the required conditions are proven invalid herein.”

In previous papers Crothers has demonstrated convincingly that a rather large chunk of what amounts to consensus in regard to subjects like the "Big Bang" has little, if any valid scientific basis because much of their position is based on general relativity which he has proven violates conservation of energy and momentum...which does have ramifications that spill over into the belief that cool objects can in some magical sense further warmer objects.

HEREis a link to the abstract page.

HERE is a link to the entire paper.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, since few of us have the background to make competant judgements as to the accuracy of Crothers paper, we will just have to see how the general physics community accepts it.

 

[SSDD]

Well, since few of us have the background to make competant judgements as to the accuracy of Crothers paper, we will just have to see how the general physics community accepts it.

Like the general chemistry community accepted quasicrystals? Like the general geology community accepted plate tectonics? Like the general gastrointestinal community accepted the fact that bacteria cause ulcers? People who expect that the general comunity to give up its long held beliefs and dogma in the face of actual proof that they are wrong are stupid. Do you believe a community automatically accepts that its long held beliefs are wrong just the facts say so?

Look at how many long held scientific "facts" have fallen only after decades and in some cases, centuries worth of evidence proving the consensus view wrong had been provided.

The consensus is fat and happy and doesn't give up its dogma easily.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Well, since few of us have the background to make competant judgements as to the accuracy of Crothers paper, we will just have to see how the general physics community accepts it.

You still think science works by consensus?

 

[SSDD]

Well, since few of us have the background to make competant judgements as to the accuracy of Crothers paper, we will just have to see how the general physics community accepts it.

You still think science works by consensus?

It's all he has. He apparently lacks the intelligence to look at the facts and even begin to work things out for himself...so he goes with the consensus. No warming for going on 2 decades now while atmospheric CO2 increased at record levels and he still believes that CO2 is the temperature control knob because themanufactured consensus says so.

 

[Mad Scientist]

You can't criticize Hawking, he's Handicapped. Excuse me he's "Differently Abled".

Besides who could argue with his "Dog Shaped Universe" theories?

 

[mamooth]

It's impossible to take seriously anyone who parrots the "no warming!" big lie. The instant you see something as dumb as that, you know you talking to a political cultist, and all you'll ever get from them is the dogma of the far-right-fringe lunatic cult.

As far as Stephen Crothers goes, he's considered to be a bitter crank by everyone in the field. He got kicked out of a Ph.D. program for being an unpleasant crank, so he's now declared everyone in the relativistic physics field is a fraud. According to Crothers, not only is Hawking wrong, but so is Einstein and much of General Relativity. The Big Bang is wrong, the universe is not expanding, there are no black holes, and so on, embracing a lot of the "Electric Universe" pseudoscience.

I can see why denialists love the guy. He runs on the same sort of crank victimhood that they do.

 

[SSDD]

It's impossible to take seriously anyone who parrots the "no warming!" big lie. The instant you see something as dumb as that, you know you talking to a political cultist, and all you'll ever get from them is the dogma of the far-right-fringe lunatic cult.

As far as Stephen Crothers goes, he's considered to be a bitter crank by everyone in the field. He got kicked out of a Ph.D. program for being an unpleasant crank, so he's now declared everyone in the relativistic physics field is a fraud. According to Crothers, not only is Hawking wrong, but so is Einstein and much of General Relativity. The Big Bang is wrong, the universe is not expanding, there are no black holes, and so on, embracing a lot of the "Electric Universe" pseudoscience.

I can see why denialists love the guy. He runs on the same sort of crank victimhood that they do.

Spoken like a good ole boy. Never mind the fact that he can and has proven them ole boys wrong on numerous occasions and none of them had any rebuttal beyond the favorite response of good ole boys...a fallacious appeal to authority.

 

[mamooth]

No, he can't prove anyone wrong. He mostly just rages about how he's being oppressed.

Crothers basically starts with some very different assumptions about the topology of the universe, and proceeds from there to invent his own mathematical description of the universe. He's proven everyone wrong all right, but only inside of the mathematical universe he defined.

Trouble is, nothing is that universe matches ours. Crothers can't show even a single example of real observed data that his system explains and the standard system doesn't. In contrast, the standard system explains many, many things successfully. For example, standard general relativity explains the corrections that are put into the GPS system to make it more accurate. Crothers can't explain that, as according to his system, such corrections should add errors to the GPS signal. Hence, no one really cares about Crothers mathturbating off in his own private universe.

 

[skookerasbil]

It's impossible to take seriously anyone who parrots the "no warming!" big lie. The instant you see something as dumb as that, you know you talking to a political cultist, and all you'll ever get from them is the dogma of the far-right-fringe lunatic cult.

But the far right "cult" is winning!!!


Because to people who dont have OCD abut climate change, this matters........

Spain braces for 'coldest summer in 200 years' - The Local



Until a week ago, New Yorkers had been freezing their asses off since late September of last year!!!



Indeed s0ns......reality is 95% perception.


Tell Spain that the planet is melting away!!!









For lay people who dont know, SSRO drugs are amazingly effective at stopping the rumination of thoughts so pervasive in the climate obsessed. Trust me......Im in the field, the shit works fucking great. Theres a whole world out there beyond angsting day and night about "science" thats not going to change shit in terms of public policy. Oil, coal and natural gas are going nowhere for a long, long, long, long, long time no matter how many billions of CO2 posts are thrown up on the intanets.

 

[SSDD]

No, he can't prove anyone wrong. He mostly just rages about how he's being oppressed.

Actually, he can and has, but like the good ole boys, you keep on believing what you want. Eventually, it will all come crashing down like AGW and if you are lucky, you may actually realise how wrong you have been and about how many things.

 

[skookerasbil]

Climate change legislation died with a whimper back in 2010 BEFORE the GOP romp and when the Dums had the House, Senate and Presidency.

In U.S. Senate, Climate Change Bill Dies With a Whimper | Popular Science


What do you think is going to happen later this year???




The science doesnt matter cheesedicks!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, since few of us have the background to make competant judgements as to the accuracy of Crothers paper, we will just have to see how the general physics community accepts it.

Like the general chemistry community accepted quasicrystals? Like the general geology community accepted plate tectonics? Like the general gastrointestinal community accepted the fact that bacteria cause ulcers? People who expect that the general comunity to give up its long held beliefs and dogma in the face of actual proof that they are wrong are stupid. Do you believe a community automatically accepts that its long held beliefs are wrong just the facts say so?

Look at how many long held scientific "facts" have fallen only after decades and in some cases, centuries worth of evidence proving the consensus view wrong had been provided.

The consensus is fat and happy and doesn't give up its dogma easily.

Wasn't involved in the chemistry or ulcer debate, but I can speak from experiance concerning the acceptance of plate tectonics in the geological community. That theory was pretty much embraced by the geological community immediatly after Vine and Mathews seminal paper. You see, it explained so much that up to then seemed to have no explanation. Everything from the geological similarities of flora and fauna in fossils in South America and Africa, to the long horizontal overthrusts in many of our mountain ranges. Suddenly, ophialite complexes became explainable. And we understood why the volcanic ranges parrallel the coasts.

When you see someone making claims that all the other scientists the preceded him and exist today in his field are wrong, and persecuting him for his wonderful insights, you can be pretty sure you are dealing with a fruitloop.

 

[SSDD]

Wasn't involved in the chemistry or ulcer debate, but I can speak from experiance concerning the acceptance of plate tectonics in the geological community.

You weren't involved in that debate either. You have proven beyond doubt that you don't know squat about geology. The theory was posited in 1912 and by 1930 the evidence was overwhelming...the good ole boys didn't accept it till the 1960's and only then because even they knew that failure to accept would be a career ending decison....

Much like the acceptance that the AGW hyptothesis isn't all that by an ever growing number of scientists and pet journalists.

When you see someone making claims that all the other scientists the preceded him and exist today in his field are wrong, and persecuting him for his wonderful insights, you can be pretty sure you are dealing with a fruitloop.

If you had any inkling of the history of science, you would know that the consensus is generally fat, happy, and wrong especially regarding topics in which all the data are not yet in...

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, SSDD, I am far more informed on Geology than you will ever be. And what you are talking about is the Continental Drift theory. The problem with Werner's theory, was that it contained no mechanism by which it could possibly occur. That had to wait for the mapping of the magnetic reversals off the coast of Washington and Oregon. And while I was not a participant, I had the privilege of attending one leg of an International Ophialite Conferance. And met Dr. Thayer of the USGS, and Dr. Allen from Portland State University.

The seismic mapping of the subduction zones provided the clinching key for the Plate Tectonic Theory. And the first ever geology text I read in 1956 mentioned Dr. Werner and his theory, as well his evidence. And stated that no mechanisim was known to exist by which this could occur. Dr. Werner is remembered as a pioneer in this field, but he simply did not have the technology to address the issue of mechanism.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well, since few of us have the background to make competant judgements as to the accuracy of Crothers paper, we will just have to see how the general physics community accepts it.

Or, just a thought, we can read the short paper and form our own opinion.

 

[westwall]

Well, since few of us have the background to make competant judgements as to the accuracy of Crothers paper, we will just have to see how the general physics community accepts it.

Like the general chemistry community accepted quasicrystals? Like the general geology community accepted plate tectonics? Like the general gastrointestinal community accepted the fact that bacteria cause ulcers? People who expect that the general comunity to give up its long held beliefs and dogma in the face of actual proof that they are wrong are stupid. Do you believe a community automatically accepts that its long held beliefs are wrong just the facts say so?

Look at how many long held scientific "facts" have fallen only after decades and in some cases, centuries worth of evidence proving the consensus view wrong had been provided.

The consensus is fat and happy and doesn't give up its dogma easily.

Wasn't involved in the chemistry or ulcer debate, but I can speak from experiance concerning the acceptance of plate tectonics in the geological community. That theory was pretty much embraced by the geological community immediatly after Vine and Mathews seminal paper. You see, it explained so much that up to then seemed to have no explanation. Everything from the geological similarities of flora and fauna in fossils in South America and Africa, to the long horizontal overthrusts in many of our mountain ranges. Suddenly, ophialite complexes became explainable. And we understood why the volcanic ranges parrallel the coasts.

When you see someone making claims that all the other scientists the preceded him and exist today in his field are wrong, and persecuting him for his wonderful insights, you can be pretty sure you are dealing with a fruitloop.

Actually it was Harry Hess who got things started (the second time around) in 1960....but he had to put it out in the form of a poem to not offend the consensus of the time, then Vine and Mathews, and finally J. Tuzo Wilsons "A New Class of Faults and Their Bearing on Continental Drift" published in 1965 that set the ball rolling. He was the first to accurately describe what the mechanism of plate tectonics was, and predicted EXACTLY how they would find the transform faults. You internet experts ALLWAYS forget him!

Oh yes, it STILL took several years before the "keepers of the consensus" paradigm were finally forced to admit that they had been wrong....1968 or 69 is when they really started to disappear..

 

[westwall]

Well, SSDD, I am far more informed on Geology than you will ever be. And what you are talking about is the Continental Drift theory. The problem with Werner's theory, was that it contained no mechanism by which it could possibly occur. That had to wait for the mapping of the magnetic reversals off the coast of Washington and Oregon. And while I was not a participant, I had the privilege of attending one leg of an International Ophialite Conferance. And met Dr. Thayer of the USGS, and Dr. Allen from Portland State University.

The seismic mapping of the subduction zones provided the clinching key for the Plate Tectonic Theory. And the first ever geology text I read in 1956 mentioned Dr. Werner and his theory, as well his evidence. And stated that no mechanisim was known to exist by which this could occur. Dr. Werner is remembered as a pioneer in this field, but he simply did not have the technology to address the issue of mechanism.

That would be WEGENER, olfraud...do get his name right.

 

[Saigon]

Meanwhile.....

"The danger is that global warming may become self-sustaining, if it has not done so already. The melting of the Arctic and Antarctic ice caps reduces the fraction of solar energy reflected back into space, and so increases the temperature further. Climate change may kill off the Amazon and other rain forests, and so eliminate once one of the main ways in which carbon dioxide is removed from the atmosphere. The rise in sea temperature may trigger the release of large quantities of carbon dioxide, trapped as hydrides on the ocean floor. Both these phenomena would increase the greenhouse effect, and so global warming further. We have to reverse global warming urgently, if we still can. "

Stephen Hawking

Stephen Hawking's best quotes about the earth, climate change - Miami Interfaith Spirituality | Examiner.com


I think for anyone who understands science a little better than SSDD, new theories are about moving the field forward and increasing our understanding - not necessarily the last word on the topic. If someone can take Hawking's work and take it in a new direction, I amsure Hawking would be delighted.

For the insecure puppies here who can never admit that they did not know everything, that must seem odd.

 

[westwall]

Meanwhile.....

"The danger is that global warming may become self-sustaining, if it has not done so already. The melting of the Arctic and Antarctic ice caps reduces the fraction of solar energy reflected back into space, and so increases the temperature further. Climate change may kill off the Amazon and other rain forests, and so eliminate once one of the main ways in which carbon dioxide is removed from the atmosphere. The rise in sea temperature may trigger the release of large quantities of carbon dioxide, trapped as hydrides on the ocean floor. Both these phenomena would increase the greenhouse effect, and so global warming further. We have to reverse global warming urgently, if we still can. "

Stephen Hawking

Stephen Hawking's best quotes about the earth, climate change - Miami Interfaith Spirituality | Examiner.com


I think for anyone who understands science a little better than SSDD, new theories are about moving the field forward and increasing our understanding - not necessarily the last word on the topic. If someone can take Hawking's work and take it in a new direction, I amsure Hawking would be delighted.

For the insecure puppies here who can never admit that they did not know everything, that must seem odd.

Meanwhile...

Temps have stalled for at least 10 years (the IPCC says 17), record snow fall is being experienced in wide parts of the globe, The Arctic sea ice is at a ten year high and you keep trotting this crap out. Go figure out where Norway neighbors Russia mr. not Finnish.