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Fascists vs Islamists vs Socialists (aka civil war)Unbelievable, hipeter. First France and now Germany? WTF is going on in Europe?
Unbelievable, hipeter. First France and now Germany? WTF is going on in Europe?
Thank you, ekrem.
Berlin's polpulation = 3.442.675 Million.
Muslims in Berlin = 220.000 (6.3 %) - 300.000 (11.4 %) according to Berlin federal senate.
Berlin Police says, that Muslim crime rate is 8.7 % of all crime.
Sarazzin claims 20% in his book. He tries to imply that Muslims in Berlin are more violent then the others.
Sources:
(220.000 - 300.000 Muslims)
Integrations-Studie - Muslime sind stolze Berliner - aber keine Deutsche - Berlin Aktuell - Berliner Morgenpost - Berlin
Berlin Population
Berlin ? Wikipedia
Data by Berlin Police given in yesterday's political talk-show on German State Television.
Tech_Esq wrote:
That immigrant Muslims are more violent than the native population is not a cliam limited to this man or to Germany. This claim has been made in most Scandanavian countries in recent years. I suppose they could all be lying about it though.
Hi there,
just to add some background:
Theo Sarrazin (btw: this guy´s last name implies by ethymology, that he is of Sarazen origin, means of muslim origin. Lot´s of french Hugenots were and immigrated to Brandenburg in the 17th century - funny, isn´t it ?) is a board member of the Bundesbank, our version of the Fed. He was before this a high ranking public service official, secretary of finance in Berlin and is member of the Social Democratic Party (= Center Left)
He has written a book called "Deutschland schafft sich ab" (reads as Germany disposes itself).
In this book he states several problems of immigration and non-integration of immigrants.
Also, he argues, that the muslim faith hinders immigrants to integrate themselves. Also, as the Muslims tend to be less educated, but have more children, the more stupid muslims will outnumber the Germans in 100 years. The average birthrate of Germans is 1.4 children, that of immigrants is 2.1. Problem is, that a population does not grow in a linear progression. According to this model, starting in 1890, Germany would now have 250 million citizens. Correctly there are now 81 million, thanks to contraceptives, two wars and lower birthrates.
Problem with this debate is, that Mr Sarrazin loves to provoke, raises a legitimate subject (yes, immigration causes problems), but messes all up by stating, that there are certain biological factors, which causes immigrants to be less intelligent. Also, there is a jewish Gen, which helps the Jews to be more intzelligent bankers. Hmpf.
So, what happens is, that this subject is debated quite heated. Rightly so, but in a wrong and non-constructive way.
But actually this is a mild storm compared to what FOX et al. sometimes blows into the airwaves.
The White Middle Class in the West fears dramatic changes , so we hear now the reaction.
regrds
ze germanguy
Tech_Esq wrote:
That immigrant Muslims are more violent than the native population is not a cliam limited to this man or to Germany. This claim has been made in most Scandanavian countries in recent years. I suppose they could all be lying about it though.
Well, I'm not sure how you'd measure and compare rates of violence, but I have little trouble believing that a poor family that moved from Iran to Switzerland might have serious adjustment issues and that these might include adapting to the new country's laws about domestic violence, etc. I'm not sure where such a belief gets you, though. Prohibitting minarets seems like the wrong way to address the problem to me.
Good grief, Tech_Esq. You feel it is utterly hopeless that Muslim immigrants will eventually assimilate into German society? WTF do people move to Germany then?
You got me. I have never even visited Europe.
I had/have a friend who lives in France. He told me years ago, whole neighborhoods in Paris were becoming impassable for women in western garb. And back in the day, Detroit had a sizable Arab population that was no picnic to cope with either.
But Tech_Esq, how is this different from other culture clashes? Surely by the time these immigrant families have had grandchildren, assimilation has largely occurred.