Happiness in Islam

[irosie91]

Avicenna (of the tenth century) neither invented or founded anything. -----he wrote a compendium of the sciences elaborated by Greeks, (including Phoenicians), Hindus of India, --- and Christians and Jews ----and was HEAVILY dependent on GALEN---who was a "pagan" of the roman empire. He liked Greek philosophy and depended on translations into Arabic elaborated by Christians and Jews.
Galen did his writings in Greek but also some Latin. Greek was the "fancy"
scholarly language in the roman empire. Maimonides was a Cordoba kid
of the early 12th century-----he wrote lots too------in both Arabic and Hebrew and
was educated in what muslims like to call "muslim medicine" (ie the greek and
roman stuff that Avicenna copied) He managed to survive Islamic persecution by
being the personal physician of Saladdin------like Avicenna, he did not actually
INVENT anything in medicine ------he did commentary on religion and philosophy and also practiced medicine. My all time
fave quotation from Maimonides (moshe ben maimon nicknamed rambam)---
found in his book "guide to the perplexed" is approx. "the study of medicine at this time in history is VERY PRIMITIVE" -----and so it was------the school in Cordoba was based on the writings of Avicenna (I believe that was in Arabic
and Persian------Maimonides was literate in Arabic) Galen was innovative for
his time----a really smart guy.

 

[irosie91]

PS-----the astronomy is from the ZOROASTRIANS.

 

[Ancient lion]

Excellence in Character for Daily Life

Sheikh Yahya reflects in this video on one of the Hadith on excellence of character



(43 minutes)

 

[Dajjal]

Excellence in Character for Daily Life

Sheikh Yahya reflects in this video on one of the Hadith on excellence of character



(43 minutes)

I am not wasting 43 minutes on more spam, I have read some of the hadiths and here is one that tells of Muhammad's character when he ordered a stoning. What's more he sent for the Torah and had it read to him, proving that he knew the bible and stole from it.


Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. "What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?" They replied, "Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya." 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "O Allah's Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah." The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, "Lift up your hand." Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah's Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn 'Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.

 

[Sunni Man]

Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. "What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?" They replied, "Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya." 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "O Allah's Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah." The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, "Lift up your hand." Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah's Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn 'Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.

So what's the problem? ....

They violated Jewish law and were punished according to Jewish law. ...

 

[irosie91]

wrong again-----there was nothing in the story to suggest that a real jewish court would sentence them to death. Muhummad did not know his ass from his elbow

 

[irosie91]

Excellence in Character for Daily Life

Sheikh Yahya reflects in this video on one of the Hadith on excellence of character



(43 minutes)

does he ever make a point-----I have been listening for 10 minutes and so far he has simply MUMBLED nothing

 

[irosie91]

Excellence in Character for Daily Life

Sheikh Yahya reflects in this video on one of the Hadith on excellence of character



(43 minutes)

I am not wasting 43 minutes on more spam, I have read some of the hadiths and here is one that tells of Muhammad's character when he ordered a stoning. What's more he sent for the Torah and had it read to him, proving that he knew the bible and stole from it.


Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. "What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?" They replied, "Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya." 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "O Allah's Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah." The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, "Lift up your hand." Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah's Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn 'Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.

the person in this story who shows GOOD CHARACTER-----is the jewish
man who was seen "sheltering the jewess"

 

[Sunni Man]

wrong again-----there was nothing in the story to suggest that a real jewish court would sentence them to death. Muhummad did not know his ass from his elbow

Torah law says the punishment for adultery is stoning to death.

Muhammad did the right thing in letting the jews judge their own criminals, and carry out the execution themselves. ... ..

 

[irosie91]

wrong again-----there was nothing in the story to suggest that a real jewish court would sentence them to death. Muhummad did not know his ass from his elbow

Torah law says the punishment for adultery is stoning to death.

Muhammad did the right thing in letting the jews judge their own criminals, and carry out the execution themselves. ... ..

where do you see "adultery" in the silly little story? In jewish jurisprudence---
as practiced for the past 3000 years-----execution for adultery did not exist. The
"penalty" was left to "heaven" What the "black" was all about is something
out of 1001 Arabian nights (which was probably written by jews anyway)

 

[Ancient lion]

Ways to Purify Your Heart

A nice selection of reflections by Sheikh Omar to help boost Iman



(5 minutes)

 

[irosie91]

what was that jerk babbling about?

 

[RodISHI]

Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. "What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?" They replied, "Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya." 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "O Allah's Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah." The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, "Lift up your hand." Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah's Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn 'Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.

So what's the problem? ....

They violated Jewish law and were punished according to Jewish law. ...

So any recent stonings in Jewish culture as I realize that Islam takes this serious like they should actually lift up their hands with stones against others. By Jewish tradition the majority know that this "stoning" bit happens in the spirit not the flesh with one person raising their hands up against another person. The Jewish scrolls all speak of the spirit taking care of these things and has the Ten Commandments as does the Christian Bible plus the laws which tells what will happen if someone damages another person. So why do Muslims get to take out their frustrations on other humans. Is it just total ignorance on their part or what?

 

[irosie91]

Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. "What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?" They replied, "Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya." 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "O Allah's Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah." The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, "Lift up your hand." Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah's Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn 'Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.

So what's the problem? ....

They violated Jewish law and were punished according to Jewish law. ...

So any recent stonings in Jewish culture as I realize that Islam takes this serious like they should actually lift up their hands with stones against others. By Jewish tradition the majority know that this "stoning" bit happens in the spirit not the flesh with one person raising their hands up against another person. The Jewish scrolls all speak of the spirit taking care of these things and has the Ten Commandments as does the Christian Bible plus the laws which tells what will happen if someone damages another person. So why do Muslims get to take out their frustrations on other humans. Is it just total ignorance on their part or what?

execution in jewish jurisprudence got fazed out completely during the Talmudic period which was more than 1000 years before the rapist of mecca was born.
Most of the "death penalty" cases were interpreted as "heaven mediated"-----as in "allah" does it. Another explanation for NOT executing people is the
"DEFINITION" of "death"------which could be anything from being rejected
from society or-----get this NOT BEING BLESSED WITH CHILDREN. No one
was executed for adultery -------as to "sinful" intercourse -------whatdahell is dat?
Adultery is sex with a married woman with whom the SEXER is not married.
Sex between unmarried people is not adultery-------in fact-----it is MARRIAGE.
Adultery in jewish jurisprudence provided the aggrieved male the right to divorce
if he could PROVE IT. If he could not-----he gets stuck with her for life and publically humiliated and obligated to "give" her children (whether he could get
it up or not) ----I should add----adulteresses are supposed to either drop dead
on their own or not give birth to any children (not recommended as a form of long term birth control) There are a few cases of STONINGS in ancient literature---but they were usually mob lynchings like the lynching of saint Stephen----
not decreed by the Sanhedrin

 

[RodISHI]

Bukhari
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 809:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

A Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Apostle on a charge of committing an illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet asked them. "What is the legal punishment (for this sin) in your Book (Torah)?" They replied, "Our priests have innovated the punishment of blackening the faces with charcoal and Tajbiya." 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "O Allah's Apostle, tell them to bring the Torah." The Torah was brought, and then one of the Jews put his hand over the Divine Verse of the Rajam (stoning to death) and started reading what preceded and what followed it. On that, Ibn Salam said to the Jew, "Lift up your hand." Behold! The Divine Verse of the Rajam was under his hand. So Allah's Apostle ordered that the two (sinners) be stoned to death, and so they were stoned. Ibn 'Umar added: So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.

So what's the problem? ....

They violated Jewish law and were punished according to Jewish law. ...

So any recent stonings in Jewish culture as I realize that Islam takes this serious like they should actually lift up their hands with stones against others. By Jewish tradition the majority know that this "stoning" bit happens in the spirit not the flesh with one person raising their hands up against another person. The Jewish scrolls all speak of the spirit taking care of these things and has the Ten Commandments as does the Christian Bible plus the laws which tells what will happen if someone damages another person. So why do Muslims get to take out their frustrations on other humans. Is it just total ignorance on their part or what?

execution in jewish jurisprudence got fazed out completely during the Talmudic period which was more than 1000 years before the rapist of mecca was born.
Most of the "death penalty" cases were interpreted as "heaven mediated"-----as in "allah" does it. Another explanation for NOT executing people is the
"DEFINITION" of "death"------which could be anything from being rejected
from society or-----get this NOT BEING BLESSED WITH CHILDREN. No one
was executed for adultery -------as to "sinful" intercourse -------whatdahell is dat?
Adultery is sex with a married woman with whom the SEXER is not married.
Sex between unmarried people is not adultery-------in fact-----it is MARRIAGE.
Adultery in jewish jurisprudence provided the aggrieved male the right to divorce
if he could PROVE IT. If he could not-----he gets stuck with her for life and publically humiliated and obligated to "give" her children (whether he could get
it up or not) ----I should add----adulteresses are supposed to either drop dead
on their own or not give birth to any children (not recommended as a form of long term birth control) There are a few cases of STONINGS in ancient literature---but they were usually mob lynchings like the lynching of saint Stephen----
not decreed by the Sanhedrin

The holy people knew that the word was given as a guide to understand how the spirit works in humankind. Not that adultery is a good thing by any means but geez to be literally stoned to death by the village idiots is a bit way too much. People suffer themselves and sin against themselves creating havoc in their own minds no actual stoning is necessary as the spirit in them will take care of all that judgment part.

 

[ding]

Context is key.

Fact Check: Does the Bible Really Condone Stoning?

"...“Any Biblical death penalty procedure had to be accomplished in one instantaneous stroke,” he explained. “For while the death penalty may have been administered, it was not done in a way to prolong agony or suffering, nor in a manner of public humiliation that degraded the human being created in the image of God.”

This in mind, Spero said that there was no humiliation or entertainment value imbued by the stoning process.

Theologian R.P. Nettelhorst added that capital punishment is seen in the Bible for a variety of offenses: Murder, adultery, rape, Sabbath breaking, disobedience to parents, witchcraft, and idolatry. While the codes were similar to other legal constructs in the Ancient Near East, he agreed that there were some notable differences...."

“The laws are applied equally to all members of society. There are not different laws for different classes,” he told TheBlaze. “Second, the laws were intended to be proportional. The lex talionis ‘eye for eye, tooth for tooth’ was designed to limit punishments to being no worse than the offense.”

At the time, this was actually considered lenient, Nettelhorst argues, compared to what was practiced by many of the other cultures of the time.

Adding to the apparent leniency, Spero also claims that stoning was likely not rampant and that ancient rabbis attempted to abolish its use by making capital punishment a rarity.

 

[Mudda]

Context is key.

Fact Check: Does the Bible Really Condone Stoning?

"...“Any Biblical death penalty procedure had to be accomplished in one instantaneous stroke,” he explained. “For while the death penalty may have been administered, it was not done in a way to prolong agony or suffering, nor in a manner of public humiliation that degraded the human being created in the image of God.”

This in mind, Spero said that there was no humiliation or entertainment value imbued by the stoning process.

Theologian R.P. Nettelhorst added that capital punishment is seen in the Bible for a variety of offenses: Murder, adultery, rape, Sabbath breaking, disobedience to parents, witchcraft, and idolatry. While the codes were similar to other legal constructs in the Ancient Near East, he agreed that there were some notable differences...."

“The laws are applied equally to all members of society. There are not different laws for different classes,” he told TheBlaze. “Second, the laws were intended to be proportional. The lex talionis ‘eye for eye, tooth for tooth’ was designed to limit punishments to being no worse than the offense.”

At the time, this was actually considered lenient, Nettelhorst argues, compared to what was practiced by many of the other cultures of the time.

Adding to the apparent leniency, Spero also claims that stoning was likely not rampant and that ancient rabbis attempted to abolish its use by making capital punishment a rarity.

C'mon admit it, Christians are just as barbaric as muzzys.

 

[ding]

Context is key.

Fact Check: Does the Bible Really Condone Stoning?

"...“Any Biblical death penalty procedure had to be accomplished in one instantaneous stroke,” he explained. “For while the death penalty may have been administered, it was not done in a way to prolong agony or suffering, nor in a manner of public humiliation that degraded the human being created in the image of God.”

This in mind, Spero said that there was no humiliation or entertainment value imbued by the stoning process.

Theologian R.P. Nettelhorst added that capital punishment is seen in the Bible for a variety of offenses: Murder, adultery, rape, Sabbath breaking, disobedience to parents, witchcraft, and idolatry. While the codes were similar to other legal constructs in the Ancient Near East, he agreed that there were some notable differences...."

“The laws are applied equally to all members of society. There are not different laws for different classes,” he told TheBlaze. “Second, the laws were intended to be proportional. The lex talionis ‘eye for eye, tooth for tooth’ was designed to limit punishments to being no worse than the offense.”

At the time, this was actually considered lenient, Nettelhorst argues, compared to what was practiced by many of the other cultures of the time.

Adding to the apparent leniency, Spero also claims that stoning was likely not rampant and that ancient rabbis attempted to abolish its use by making capital punishment a rarity.

C'mon admit it, Christians are just as barbaric as muzzys.

If that's how you want to see it, go right ahead.

 

[Mudda]

Context is key.

Fact Check: Does the Bible Really Condone Stoning?

"...“Any Biblical death penalty procedure had to be accomplished in one instantaneous stroke,” he explained. “For while the death penalty may have been administered, it was not done in a way to prolong agony or suffering, nor in a manner of public humiliation that degraded the human being created in the image of God.”

This in mind, Spero said that there was no humiliation or entertainment value imbued by the stoning process.

Theologian R.P. Nettelhorst added that capital punishment is seen in the Bible for a variety of offenses: Murder, adultery, rape, Sabbath breaking, disobedience to parents, witchcraft, and idolatry. While the codes were similar to other legal constructs in the Ancient Near East, he agreed that there were some notable differences...."

“The laws are applied equally to all members of society. There are not different laws for different classes,” he told TheBlaze. “Second, the laws were intended to be proportional. The lex talionis ‘eye for eye, tooth for tooth’ was designed to limit punishments to being no worse than the offense.”

At the time, this was actually considered lenient, Nettelhorst argues, compared to what was practiced by many of the other cultures of the time.

Adding to the apparent leniency, Spero also claims that stoning was likely not rampant and that ancient rabbis attempted to abolish its use by making capital punishment a rarity.

C'mon admit it, Christians are just as barbaric as muzzys.

If that's how you want to see it, go right ahead.

Good, you don't dispute it.

 

[Ancient lion]

Heart-Mind Relationship in Islam

Sheikh Hamza reflects on this topic



(6 minutes)