Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly are Union members

[Avatar4321]

so how many on the right are willing to say they like unions?

You want us to lie and say we like people who think they can intimidate others into getting more money for themselves?

 

[DiveCon]

Touche. Still a private union though. I dont have an issue with private unions. Though Id never want to be in one. And they UAW was part of the reason the automotive industry tanked. The private union still has a vested interest in the corporation succeeding. The public union only has interest in themselves.

The auto industry tanked because the auto companies fucked up big time, not because of the unions. They weren't tanked bad enough not to pay huge bonuses to the top dogs in the company.

the Unions sure as hell didnt help them much

 

[Truthmatters]

Confirmed: Union-Bashing Right-Wing Media Stars Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly Are AFL-CIO Union-Affiliated Members | | AlterNet




report voted to the front page of Reddit Friday claimed that Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly were union members, as well as Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter. Right-wing blogger Michelle Malkin called it the "stupid lie of the week," insisting that neither she nor the "other Fox News personalities being accused of 'hypocrisy' belong to the union." As one might expect, Malkin didn't know what she was talking about and the liberals were right (she herself, as just a frequent guest on the network, is not a member of the union).

A representative from Beck's camp denied the claim, but a source within AFTRA confirmed to AlterNet Friday that O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity were indeed union members.

I hear that you have two homes one is on the beach. Is this true?

No not true.

I own two houses and have a share in a beach house.

 

[Oddball]

Touche. Still a private union though. I dont have an issue with private unions. Though Id never want to be in one. And they UAW was part of the reason the automotive industry tanked. The private union still has a vested interest in the corporation succeeding. The public union only has interest in themselves.

The auto industry tanked because the auto companies fucked up big time, not because of the unions. They weren't tanked bad enough not to pay huge bonuses to the top dogs in the company.

Pish posh.

GM is a car and truck company -- for the 74th consecutive year, the world's largest -- and has revenue greater than Arizona's gross state product. But GM's stock price is down 45 percent from a year ago; its market capitalization is smaller than Harley-Davidson's. This is partly because GM is a welfare state.

In 2003 GM's pension fund needed an infusion from the largest corporate debt offering in history. And the cost of providing health coverage for 1.1 million GM workers, retirees and dependents is estimated to be $5.6 billion this year. Their coverage is enviable -- at most, small co-payments for visits to doctors and for pharmaceuticals but no deductibles or monthly premiums.

GM says health expenditures -- $1,525 per car produced; there is more health care than steel in a GM vehicle's price tag -- are one of the main reasons it lost $1.1 billion in the first quarter of 2005. Ford's profits fell 38 percent, and although Ford had forecast 2005 profits of $1.4 billion to $1.7 billion, it now probably will have a year's loss of $100 million to $200 million. All this while Toyota's sales are up 23 percent this year and Americans are buying cars and light trucks at a rate that would produce 2005 sales almost equal to the record of 17.4 million in 2000.

George F. Will - What Ails GM - washingtonpost.com

 

[DiveCon]

Confirmed: Union-Bashing Right-Wing Media Stars Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly Are AFL-CIO Union-Affiliated Members | | AlterNet




report voted to the front page of Reddit Friday claimed that Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly were union members, as well as Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter. Right-wing blogger Michelle Malkin called it the "stupid lie of the week," insisting that neither she nor the "other Fox News personalities being accused of 'hypocrisy' belong to the union." As one might expect, Malkin didn't know what she was talking about and the liberals were right (she herself, as just a frequent guest on the network, is not a member of the union).

A representative from Beck's camp denied the claim, but a source within AFTRA confirmed to AlterNet Friday that O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity were indeed union members.

I hear that you have two homes one is on the beach. Is this true?

and i bet she claims the repairs on both of them as tax deductions

 

[Truthmatters]

so how many on the right are willing to say they like unions?

You want us to lie and say we like people who think they can intimidate others into getting more money for themselves?

Like corprations.

 

[Ron O'Neal]

When they're paid with taxpayers money, then it's our business. They aren't. It isn't. I have no real issue with private sector unions. It's the bastards sucking the taxpayer dry that's the problem. Public sector employees are paid for by us, we pay for their greed.

*I'm not saying that all public sector people are greedy - but their unions are destroying the country.*

And how much money do you think the private sector unions are costing tax payers? Whats your estimation? Do you have a fucking clue? What percentage of the national debt is caused by public unions bleeding taxpayers?

 

[DiveCon]

so how many on the right are willing to say they like unions?

You want us to lie and say we like people who think they can intimidate others into getting more money for themselves?

Like corprations.

what?

 

[Richard-H]

When they're paid with taxpayers money, then it's our business. They aren't. It isn't. I have no real issue with private sector unions. It's the bastards sucking the taxpayer dry that's the problem. Public sector employees are paid for by us, we pay for their greed.

*I'm not saying that all public sector people are greedy - but their unions are destroying the country.*

Public sector union negotiations certainly are the business of tax payers. Elected politicans have a responsibilty to take a hard line in Union negotiations. However, denying the right to collective bargaining to public sector employees while allowing it for the private sector, defies the principal of equality under the law.

As of now, the WI public sector unions have conceded to monetary aspects requested by the Governor: this is not about tax payer dollars, it's about the right to collective bargaining.

 

[Truthmatters]

They dont like it when regular joe dokes have the power to organize and speak as one.

They do like having joe dokes have to negotiate with huge corpartions as individuals.


They dont much like people working together to secure their futures unless of course its the CEOs of corpartions who do it.

 

[Leweman]

Corporations actually create wealth though no matter how greedy you think they are. Unions are just greedy and create nothing.

 

[Mad Scientist]

They dont like it when regular joe dokes have the power to organize and speak as one.

They do like having joe dokes have to negotiate with huge corpartions as individuals.


They dont much like people working together to secure their futures unless of course its the CEOs of corpartions who do it.

What's a "joe dokes"? It couldn't be a typo as you've done it twice.

 

[Truthmatters]

Corporations actually create wealth though no matter how greedy you think they are. Unions are just greedy and create nothing.

They created the middle class in this country

 

[rightwinger]

Corporations actually create wealth though no matter how greedy you think they are. Unions are just greedy and create nothing.

Unions also create wealth

A corporation hires workers and derives wealth off the labor of each worker. The union is there to ensure that some of that wealth goes to the worker

 

[Tea Bag Partier]

Thread summary:

Rightwing: "But we don't have a problem with private unions!"

Hilarious. This may qualify as the worst message board lie of the decade.


I'm sure anyone could use this website's search function, and find about ten billion posts from rightwingers whining, braying, and crying about AFL-CIO, SEIU, and private unions in general.

 

[Oddball]

When they're paid with taxpayers money, then it's our business. They aren't. It isn't. I have no real issue with private sector unions. It's the bastards sucking the taxpayer dry that's the problem. Public sector employees are paid for by us, we pay for their greed.

*I'm not saying that all public sector people are greedy - but their unions are destroying the country.*

Public sector union negotiations certainly are the business of tax payers. Elected politicans have a responsibilty to take a hard line in Union negotiations. However, denying the right to collective bargaining to public sector employees while allowing it for the private sector, defies the principal of equality under the law.

As of now, the WI public sector unions have conceded to monetary aspects requested by the Governor: this is not about tax payer dollars, it's about the right to collective bargaining.

Just how hard a line do you think an elected official is going to take, when a substantial portion of the money that went into his campaign war chest came from bureaucrat unions?

C'mon.....You can tell us.

 

[Oddball]

Corporations actually create wealth though no matter how greedy you think they are. Unions are just greedy and create nothing.

They created the middle class in this country

They didn't create jack shit.

At their zenith, private sector membership didn't exceed 1/3 of the overall working population.

 

[DiveCon]

Corporations actually create wealth though no matter how greedy you think they are. Unions are just greedy and create nothing.

Unions also create wealth

A corporation hires workers and derives wealth off the labor of each worker. The union is there to ensure that some of that wealth goes to the worker

ROFLMAO

yeah sure
they make a few union leaders wealthy

 

[DiveCon]

Corporations actually create wealth though no matter how greedy you think they are. Unions are just greedy and create nothing.

They created the middle class in this country

They didn't create jack shit.

At their zenith, private sector membership didn't exceed 1/3 of the overall working population.

and now its less than 10%

 

[Ron O'Neal]

Touche. Still a private union though. I dont have an issue with private unions. Though Id never want to be in one. And they UAW was part of the reason the automotive industry tanked. The private union still has a vested interest in the corporation succeeding. The public union only has interest in themselves.

The auto industry tanked because the auto companies fucked up big time, not because of the unions. They weren't tanked bad enough not to pay huge bonuses to the top dogs in the company.

Pish posh.

GM is a car and truck company -- for the 74th consecutive year, the world's largest -- and has revenue greater than Arizona's gross state product. But GM's stock price is down 45 percent from a year ago; its market capitalization is smaller than Harley-Davidson's. This is partly because GM is a welfare state.

In 2003 GM's pension fund needed an infusion from the largest corporate debt offering in history. And the cost of providing health coverage for 1.1 million GM workers, retirees and dependents is estimated to be $5.6 billion this year. Their coverage is enviable -- at most, small co-payments for visits to doctors and for pharmaceuticals but no deductibles or monthly premiums.

GM says health expenditures -- $1,525 per car produced; there is more health care than steel in a GM vehicle's price tag -- are one of the main reasons it lost $1.1 billion in the first quarter of 2005. Ford's profits fell 38 percent, and although Ford had forecast 2005 profits of $1.4 billion to $1.7 billion, it now probably will have a year's loss of $100 million to $200 million. All this while Toyota's sales are up 23 percent this year and Americans are buying cars and light trucks at a rate that would produce 2005 sales almost equal to the record of 17.4 million in 2000.

George F. Will - What Ails GM - washingtonpost.com[/url]

Make an effort to tell the entire story. I can't post the link because I don't have enough posts but here it goes. From Daily Finance.



General Motors (GM) was founded in September of 1908. On June 1, 2009, at 8 a.m. -- almost 101 years later -- it ceased to exist, and control was handed over to turnaround executive Al Koch. Thanks to $19.4 billion in loans and $30.1 billion more in debtor-in-possession financing, a huge amount of effort by the U.S. government and GM's management, unions, dealers, suppliers and bondholders, the effects of that failure will be terrible, but not catastrophic.


The U.S. will own 60 percent of the new GM, which will include Chevy, Buick, GMC and Cadillac. Canada will take 12 percent after lending GM $9.5 billion, the UAW 17.5 percent (as payment for $9.4 billion of its $20 billion in health care obligations) with warrants to buy 2.5 percent more, the bondholders 10 percent to as high as 25 percent through warrants, and old GM common shareholders roughly zero. Twelve to 20 more GM factories will close, 21,000 union workers will be fired, and 2,400 GM dealers will shut down.
To help other companies avoid GM's fate, it's worth exploring the five reasons that GM failed:
1. Bad financial policies. You might be surprised to learn that GM has been bankrupt since 2006 and has avoided a filing for years thanks to the graces of the banks and bondholders. But for years it has used cars as razors to sell consumers a monthly package of razor blades -- in the form of highly profitable car loans.


And the two Harvard MBAs who drove GM to bankruptcy -- Rick Wagoner and Fritz Henderson -- both rose up from GM's finance division, rather than its vehicle design operation. (Read more about GM's bad financial policies here.)

2. Uncompetitive vehicles. Compared to its toughest competitors -- like Toyota Motor Co. (TM) -- GM's cars were poorly designed and built, took too long to manufacture at costs that were too high, and as a result, fewer people bought them, leaving GM with excess production capacity. (Read more about GM's uncompetitive vehicles here.)

3. Ignoring competition. GM has been ignoring competition -- with a brief interruption (Saturn in the 1980s) -- for about 50 years. At its peak, in 1954, GM controlled 54 percent of the North American vehicle market. Last year, that figure had tumbled to 19 percent. Toyota and its peers took over that market share. (Read more about GM ignoring the competition here.)

4. Failure to innovate. Since GM was focused on profiting from finance, it did not really care that much about building better vehicles. GM's management failed to adapt GM to changes in customer needs, upstart competitors, and new technologies. (Read more about GM's failure to innovate here.)


5. Managing in the bubble. GM managers got promoted by toeing the CEO's line and ignoring external changes. What looked stupid from the perspective of customer and competitors was smart for those bucking for promotions. (Read more about GM's managing in the bubble here.)


GM's failure after 101 years is an indictment of American management in general. It highlights the damage to our economy that results when finance becomes the tail that wags the economic dog. And it shows what happens to any company that rests on its laurels and fails to adapt to change.