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so how many on the right are willing to say they like unions?
You want us to lie and say we like people who think they can intimidate others into getting more money for themselves?
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so how many on the right are willing to say they like unions?
the Unions sure as hell didnt help them muchTouche. Still a private union though. I dont have an issue with private unions. Though Id never want to be in one. And they UAW was part of the reason the automotive industry tanked. The private union still has a vested interest in the corporation succeeding. The public union only has interest in themselves.
The auto industry tanked because the auto companies fucked up big time, not because of the unions. They weren't tanked bad enough not to pay huge bonuses to the top dogs in the company.
Confirmed: Union-Bashing Right-Wing Media Stars Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly Are AFL-CIO Union-Affiliated Members | | AlterNet
report voted to the front page of Reddit Friday claimed that Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly were union members, as well as Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter. Right-wing blogger Michelle Malkin called it the "stupid lie of the week," insisting that neither she nor the "other Fox News personalities being accused of 'hypocrisy' belong to the union." As one might expect, Malkin didn't know what she was talking about and the liberals were right (she herself, as just a frequent guest on the network, is not a member of the union).
A representative from Beck's camp denied the claim, but a source within AFTRA confirmed to AlterNet Friday that O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity were indeed union members.
I hear that you have two homes one is on the beach. Is this true?
Pish posh.Touche. Still a private union though. I dont have an issue with private unions. Though Id never want to be in one. And they UAW was part of the reason the automotive industry tanked. The private union still has a vested interest in the corporation succeeding. The public union only has interest in themselves.
The auto industry tanked because the auto companies fucked up big time, not because of the unions. They weren't tanked bad enough not to pay huge bonuses to the top dogs in the company.
GM is a car and truck company -- for the 74th consecutive year, the world's largest -- and has revenue greater than Arizona's gross state product. But GM's stock price is down 45 percent from a year ago; its market capitalization is smaller than Harley-Davidson's. This is partly because GM is a welfare state.
In 2003 GM's pension fund needed an infusion from the largest corporate debt offering in history. And the cost of providing health coverage for 1.1 million GM workers, retirees and dependents is estimated to be $5.6 billion this year. Their coverage is enviable -- at most, small co-payments for visits to doctors and for pharmaceuticals but no deductibles or monthly premiums.
GM says health expenditures -- $1,525 per car produced; there is more health care than steel in a GM vehicle's price tag -- are one of the main reasons it lost $1.1 billion in the first quarter of 2005. Ford's profits fell 38 percent, and although Ford had forecast 2005 profits of $1.4 billion to $1.7 billion, it now probably will have a year's loss of $100 million to $200 million. All this while Toyota's sales are up 23 percent this year and Americans are buying cars and light trucks at a rate that would produce 2005 sales almost equal to the record of 17.4 million in 2000.
and i bet she claims the repairs on both of them as tax deductionsConfirmed: Union-Bashing Right-Wing Media Stars Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly Are AFL-CIO Union-Affiliated Members | | AlterNet
report voted to the front page of Reddit Friday claimed that Hannity, Limbaugh and O'Reilly were union members, as well as Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter. Right-wing blogger Michelle Malkin called it the "stupid lie of the week," insisting that neither she nor the "other Fox News personalities being accused of 'hypocrisy' belong to the union." As one might expect, Malkin didn't know what she was talking about and the liberals were right (she herself, as just a frequent guest on the network, is not a member of the union).
A representative from Beck's camp denied the claim, but a source within AFTRA confirmed to AlterNet Friday that O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity were indeed union members.
I hear that you have two homes one is on the beach. Is this true?
so how many on the right are willing to say they like unions?
You want us to lie and say we like people who think they can intimidate others into getting more money for themselves?
When they're paid with taxpayers money, then it's our business. They aren't. It isn't. I have no real issue with private sector unions. It's the bastards sucking the taxpayer dry that's the problem. Public sector employees are paid for by us, we pay for their greed.
*I'm not saying that all public sector people are greedy - but their unions are destroying the country.*
what?so how many on the right are willing to say they like unions?
You want us to lie and say we like people who think they can intimidate others into getting more money for themselves?
Like corprations.
When they're paid with taxpayers money, then it's our business. They aren't. It isn't. I have no real issue with private sector unions. It's the bastards sucking the taxpayer dry that's the problem. Public sector employees are paid for by us, we pay for their greed.
*I'm not saying that all public sector people are greedy - but their unions are destroying the country.*
What's a "joe dokes"? It couldn't be a typo as you've done it twice.They dont like it when regular joe dokes have the power to organize and speak as one.
They do like having joe dokes have to negotiate with huge corpartions as individuals.
They dont much like people working together to secure their futures unless of course its the CEOs of corpartions who do it.
Corporations actually create wealth though no matter how greedy you think they are. Unions are just greedy and create nothing.
Corporations actually create wealth though no matter how greedy you think they are. Unions are just greedy and create nothing.
Rightwing: "But we don't have a problem with private unions!"
Just how hard a line do you think an elected official is going to take, when a substantial portion of the money that went into his campaign war chest came from bureaucrat unions?When they're paid with taxpayers money, then it's our business. They aren't. It isn't. I have no real issue with private sector unions. It's the bastards sucking the taxpayer dry that's the problem. Public sector employees are paid for by us, we pay for their greed.
*I'm not saying that all public sector people are greedy - but their unions are destroying the country.*
Public sector union negotiations certainly are the business of tax payers. Elected politicans have a responsibilty to take a hard line in Union negotiations. However, denying the right to collective bargaining to public sector employees while allowing it for the private sector, defies the principal of equality under the law.
As of now, the WI public sector unions have conceded to monetary aspects requested by the Governor: this is not about tax payer dollars, it's about the right to collective bargaining.
They didn't create jack shit.Corporations actually create wealth though no matter how greedy you think they are. Unions are just greedy and create nothing.
They created the middle class in this country
ROFLMAOCorporations actually create wealth though no matter how greedy you think they are. Unions are just greedy and create nothing.
Unions also create wealth
A corporation hires workers and derives wealth off the labor of each worker. The union is there to ensure that some of that wealth goes to the worker
and now its less than 10%They didn't create jack shit.Corporations actually create wealth though no matter how greedy you think they are. Unions are just greedy and create nothing.
They created the middle class in this country
At their zenith, private sector membership didn't exceed 1/3 of the overall working population.
Pish posh.Touche. Still a private union though. I dont have an issue with private unions. Though Id never want to be in one. And they UAW was part of the reason the automotive industry tanked. The private union still has a vested interest in the corporation succeeding. The public union only has interest in themselves.
The auto industry tanked because the auto companies fucked up big time, not because of the unions. They weren't tanked bad enough not to pay huge bonuses to the top dogs in the company.
GM is a car and truck company -- for the 74th consecutive year, the world's largest -- and has revenue greater than Arizona's gross state product. But GM's stock price is down 45 percent from a year ago; its market capitalization is smaller than Harley-Davidson's. This is partly because GM is a welfare state.
In 2003 GM's pension fund needed an infusion from the largest corporate debt offering in history. And the cost of providing health coverage for 1.1 million GM workers, retirees and dependents is estimated to be $5.6 billion this year. Their coverage is enviable -- at most, small co-payments for visits to doctors and for pharmaceuticals but no deductibles or monthly premiums.
GM says health expenditures -- $1,525 per car produced; there is more health care than steel in a GM vehicle's price tag -- are one of the main reasons it lost $1.1 billion in the first quarter of 2005. Ford's profits fell 38 percent, and although Ford had forecast 2005 profits of $1.4 billion to $1.7 billion, it now probably will have a year's loss of $100 million to $200 million. All this while Toyota's sales are up 23 percent this year and Americans are buying cars and light trucks at a rate that would produce 2005 sales almost equal to the record of 17.4 million in 2000.
George F. Will - What Ails GM - washingtonpost.com[/url]