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As in to protect jews from arabs?And just when did this so called UN Palestine Commission go to Palestine to secure the territory and protect the citizens under its trust?
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As in to protect jews from arabs?And just when did this so called UN Palestine Commission go to Palestine to secure the territory and protect the citizens under its trust?
None of the countries that were detached from Turkey determined their own borders. Their international borders were defined by the allied powers.@Tinmore, et al,
Teach me!
(QUESTION)Rocco, you start with something that is not true then you base your conclusion on that false premise.There were never any "international borders" made by or on behalf of the Arab Palestinian.
Just where are the Arab Palestinians a party to any Treaty, Agreement, Armistice, etc, that specify "international boundaries" on behalf of the Arab Palestinian.
There are no treaties or agreements between those countries because their borders are undisputed. There has never been a borders dispute between Palestine and any of its neighbors.
Why do you keep bringing up all this irrelevance?
(COMMENT)With the exception of the Oslo Accords, I don't see anything the Arab-Palestinians have signed as a party to the agreement.
Can you show me?
Most Respectfully,
R
There has never been a border dispute between Palestine and any of its neighbors.None of the countries that were detached from Turkey determined their own borders. Their international borders were defined by the allied powers.@Tinmore, et al,
Teach me!
(QUESTION)Rocco, you start with something that is not true then you base your conclusion on that false premise.There were never any "international borders" made by or on behalf of the Arab Palestinian.
Just where are the Arab Palestinians a party to any Treaty, Agreement, Armistice, etc, that specify "international boundaries" on behalf of the Arab Palestinian.
There are no treaties or agreements between those countries because their borders are undisputed. There has never been a borders dispute between Palestine and any of its neighbors.
Why do you keep bringing up all this irrelevance?
(COMMENT)With the exception of the Oslo Accords, I don't see anything the Arab-Palestinians have signed as a party to the agreement.
Can you show me?
Most Respectfully,
R
borders have changed. Syria used to be four states. Iraq tried to take back Kuwait. There are still disputes over islands in the persian gulf. Iran and Iraq fought a war over border disputes.
Even syria disputes it's borders farther to include jordan, israel, PA, lebanon, part of iraq, and part of turkey. Egypt wanted a pan-arab state under egyptian authority.
Kurds wanted their own state but was spit between iran, iraq, turkey and syria.
There has never been a border dispute between Palestine and any of its neighbors.None of the countries that were detached from Turkey determined their own borders. Their international borders were defined by the allied powers.@Tinmore, et al,
Teach me!
(QUESTION)Rocco, you start with something that is not true then you base your conclusion on that false premise.There were never any "international borders" made by or on behalf of the Arab Palestinian.
Just where are the Arab Palestinians a party to any Treaty, Agreement, Armistice, etc, that specify "international boundaries" on behalf of the Arab Palestinian.
There are no treaties or agreements between those countries because their borders are undisputed. There has never been a borders dispute between Palestine and any of its neighbors.
Why do you keep bringing up all this irrelevance?
(COMMENT)With the exception of the Oslo Accords, I don't see anything the Arab-Palestinians have signed as a party to the agreement.
Can you show me?
Most Respectfully,
R
borders have changed. Syria used to be four states. Iraq tried to take back Kuwait. There are still disputes over islands in the persian gulf. Iran and Iraq fought a war over border disputes.
Even syria disputes it's borders farther to include jordan, israel, PA, lebanon, part of iraq, and part of turkey. Egypt wanted a pan-arab state under egyptian authority.
Kurds wanted their own state but was spit between iran, iraq, turkey and syria.
Not relevant. Non self governing territories have the right to territorial integrity.There has never been a border dispute between Palestine and any of its neighbors.None of the countries that were detached from Turkey determined their own borders. Their international borders were defined by the allied powers.@Tinmore, et al,
Teach me!
(QUESTION)Rocco, you start with something that is not true then you base your conclusion on that false premise.There were never any "international borders" made by or on behalf of the Arab Palestinian.
Just where are the Arab Palestinians a party to any Treaty, Agreement, Armistice, etc, that specify "international boundaries" on behalf of the Arab Palestinian.
There are no treaties or agreements between those countries because their borders are undisputed. There has never been a borders dispute between Palestine and any of its neighbors.
Why do you keep bringing up all this irrelevance?
(COMMENT)With the exception of the Oslo Accords, I don't see anything the Arab-Palestinians have signed as a party to the agreement.
Can you show me?
Most Respectfully,
R
borders have changed. Syria used to be four states. Iraq tried to take back Kuwait. There are still disputes over islands in the persian gulf. Iran and Iraq fought a war over border disputes.
Even syria disputes it's borders farther to include jordan, israel, PA, lebanon, part of iraq, and part of turkey. Egypt wanted a pan-arab state under egyptian authority.
Kurds wanted their own state but was spit between iran, iraq, turkey and syria.
There has never been a palestinian "state"
(COMMENT)Not relevant. Non self governing territories have the right to territorial integrity.
Actually, the UN is quite clear on who is entitled to basic inalienable rights.P F Tinmore, et al,
May it is irrelevant, and maybe not.
(COMMENT)Not relevant. Non self governing territories have the right to territorial integrity.
The Territories under the Mandate and then transferred to the Trustee System, are not (for the purposes of territorial integrity) "non self governing." The territorial integrity was the responsibility of the LoN/Mandatory and the UN/successor government (UNPC).
Palestine (former Mandate territory of) was never under the control of the Palestinians and the territorial integrity was never in the hands of the Palestinians.
Most Respectfully,
R
Being "a state" is not a criterion necessary for inalienable rights. I don't see anything that would exempt the Palestinians from basic universal rights.5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories,
1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.
2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.
4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.
5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.
6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.
The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration
(COMMENT)Actually, the UN is quite clear on who is entitled to basic inalienable rights.
Being "a state" is not a criterion necessary for inalienable rights. I don't see anything that would exempt the Palestinians from basic universal rights.
Being a territory under alien subjugation since its inception only violates their rights. It does not negate those rights.
You didn't. I was responding to aris2chat.P F Tinmore, et al,
When did Israel make a colony?
And when did I mention a "state?"
Most Respectfully,
R
Which is basically the same line of crap. That is irrelevant too.Palestine (former Mandate territory of) was never under the control of the Palestinians and the territorial integrity was never in the hands of the Palestinians.
You didn't. I was responding to aris2chat.P F Tinmore, et al,
When did Israel make a colony?
And when did I mention a "state?"
Most Respectfully,
R
But you did say:
Which is basically the same line of crap. That is irrelevant too.Palestine (former Mandate territory of) was never under the control of the Palestinians and the territorial integrity was never in the hands of the Palestinians.
Then you base the rest of your post on false premise.
Tinmore, the Arab Palestinians relinquished any claim to a state on May 15, 1948 and it can't be undone until they abandon Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and TERRORISM. Capiche?You didn't. I was responding to aris2chat.P F Tinmore, et al,
When did Israel make a colony?
And when did I mention a "state?"
Most Respectfully,
R
But you did say:
Which is basically the same line of crap. That is irrelevant too.Palestine (former Mandate territory of) was never under the control of the Palestinians and the territorial integrity was never in the hands of the Palestinians.
Then you base the rest of your post on false premise.
That is true, however, the UN states:You didn't. I was responding to aris2chat.P F Tinmore, et al,
When did Israel make a colony?
And when did I mention a "state?"
Most Respectfully,
R
But you did say:
Which is basically the same line of crap. That is irrelevant too.Palestine (former Mandate territory of) was never under the control of the Palestinians and the territorial integrity was never in the hands of the Palestinians.
Then you base the rest of your post on false premise.
>> The territorial integrity was the responsibility of the LoN/Mandatory and the UN/successor government<<
It was not up the Brits not the arabs to decide.
>>Territorial integrity is the principle under international law that nation-states should not attempt to promote secessionist movements or to promote border changes in other nation-states. Conversely it states that imposition by force of a border change is an act of aggression.<<
Arabs refused a palestinian state. What might have been a palestinian state was taken by other arab states. The neighbors changed the lines of what might have been a state leaving Israel in control of territory and forming a new border. Israel was recognized as a state by the world body along those lines. WB and G were later given to Israel by the arab states that had occupied them, after attacking Israel. This then left Israel with the mandate land and since the right of a palestinian land was refused at the UN, it is up to Israel if it establishes a palestinian state and along what borders. Israel is not the "mandate" and it decides how the land is divided and when the palestinians are fully ready as a state, no longer just an authority.
Of course! There was no state of palestine to begin with.There has never been a border dispute between Palestine and any of its neighbors.