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Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved
Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.
States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates
1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
5. Arkansas
6. Montana (TIE)
- Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
8. Oklahoma
- Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
Make a fake ID
How to Make a Fake ID
10 Second Summary
1. Scan both sides of an ID into your computer.
2. Open the scan in an editing program.
3. Replace the photo with a new one. Keep the size and resolution.
4. Change the text fields. Try to use a similar font.
5. Print both sides of the scan on heavy cardstock.
6. Cut and glue the scans together.
7. Laminate the paper ID.
Here..the truth...
Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’
In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.
Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place, but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.
Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.
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Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?
Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down. New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.
At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.
Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.
According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.
Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added). These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.
"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.
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They debunked Obama's claims, in your link
Read your own links....lol
A 2004 report published by the National Academy of Sciences concluded that “some gun control policies may reduce the number of gun suicides,
Bottom appear to have less-restrictive gun laws more killings , without suicides..
Hawaii
0.85
Vermont
0.93
N. H.
0.98
S. Dakota
1.04
Iowa
1.17
Maine
1.4
Mass.
1.5
Utah
1.58
Minnesota
1.63
N. Dakota
1.63
Idaho
1.72
Connecticut
1.89
Oregon
1.89
New York
2
R.I.
2.03
Washington
2.11
Wyoming
2.31
Wisconsin
2.38
Colorado
2.47
Montana
2.78
W. Virginia
3.03
Kansas
3.14
Nebraska
3.15
Virginia
3.16
Alaska
3.23
New Jersey
3.69
Nevada
3.7
Texas
3.75
California
3.79
Kentucky
3.89
Delaware
4.32
Arizona
4.37
Ohio
4.45
Penn.
4.47
Florida
4.48
N. Carolina
4.63
Illinois
5.02
Georgia
5.08
New Mexico
5.17
Indiana
5.24
Oklahoma
5.37
Michigan
5.51
Maryland
5.53
Tenn.
5.54
Missouri
5.55
Arkansas
5.83
S. Carolina
5.94
Alabama
7.69
Mississippi
8.44
Louisiana
10.46
You don't know what you are talking about or posting.....
Japan, china and South Korea have higher suicide rates than we do....and absolute gun control for law abiding citizens.....and countries in Europe also have extreme gun control laws...and higher suicide rates than we do....
anti gunners mix suicide numbers with murder to increase the gun death numbers.....to hide the fact that our gun murder rate doesn't account for our gun deaths......
I just quoted the link that you provided on your defense of back round safety laws..
so if it untrue well then that is on you dude..
No, moron....you didn't quote anything even remotely accurately....
By contrast, Lott says that it is wrong to assume correlation equals causation. Fleeger’s paper acknowledged that it “could not determine cause-and-effect relationship.”
“States such as Hawaii have had low firearm homicide rates as far back as we have data, long before they have the gun laws that are on the books,” Lott said. “The issue here should really be whether gun control laws caused crime rates to fall relative to other states after they have been implemented.” He says his own research suggests there is little difference.
Here..the truth...
Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’
In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.
Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place, but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.
Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.
******************
Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?
Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down. New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.
At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.
Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.
According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.
Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added). These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.
"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.
****************
They debunked Obama's claims, in your link
Read your own links....lol
A 2004 report published by the National Academy of Sciences concluded that “some gun control policies may reduce the number of gun suicides,
Bottom appear to have less-restrictive gun laws more killings , without suicides..
Hawaii
0.85
Vermont
0.93
N. H.
0.98
S. Dakota
1.04
Iowa
1.17
Maine
1.4
Mass.
1.5
Utah
1.58
Minnesota
1.63
N. Dakota
1.63
Idaho
1.72
Connecticut
1.89
Oregon
1.89
New York
2
R.I.
2.03
Washington
2.11
Wyoming
2.31
Wisconsin
2.38
Colorado
2.47
Montana
2.78
W. Virginia
3.03
Kansas
3.14
Nebraska
3.15
Virginia
3.16
Alaska
3.23
New Jersey
3.69
Nevada
3.7
Texas
3.75
California
3.79
Kentucky
3.89
Delaware
4.32
Arizona
4.37
Ohio
4.45
Penn.
4.47
Florida
4.48
N. Carolina
4.63
Illinois
5.02
Georgia
5.08
New Mexico
5.17
Indiana
5.24
Oklahoma
5.37
Michigan
5.51
Maryland
5.53
Tenn.
5.54
Missouri
5.55
Arkansas
5.83
S. Carolina
5.94
Alabama
7.69
Mississippi
8.44
Louisiana
10.46
You don't know what you are talking about or posting.....
Japan, china and South Korea have higher suicide rates than we do....and absolute gun control for law abiding citizens.....and countries in Europe also have extreme gun control laws...and higher suicide rates than we do....
anti gunners mix suicide numbers with murder to increase the gun death numbers.....to hide the fact that our gun murder rate doesn't account for our gun deaths......
I just quoted the link that you provided on your defense of back round safety laws..
so if it untrue well then that is on you dude..
No, moron....you didn't quote anything even remotely accurately....
By contrast, Lott says that it is wrong to assume correlation equals causation. Fleeger’s paper acknowledged that it “could not determine cause-and-effect relationship.”
“States such as Hawaii have had low firearm homicide rates as far back as we have data, long before they have the gun laws that are on the books,” Lott said. “The issue here should really be whether gun control laws caused crime rates to fall relative to other states after they have been implemented.” He says his own research suggests there is little difference.
To be honest I don't know tiddlywinks about guns, so this is getting boring..... All I can say is if you are going to support something like Trumps claims to be all over the NRA....Why because they helped get him into the White House ... then support it all of the way and not ban the guns at the convention...when you are speaking.
Here I'll type slowly so that even an idiot like you can understand....
Q. Why does the NRA hold a conferences?
A. To advocate for the 2nd amendment and to market for the gun manufacturers
Q. Why are then guns banned from an NRA convention?
A. Because they're a bucng fucked up, hypocritical scum buckets who are afraid of what they preach...i
Couldn't possibly to prevent accidents, especially fatal ones, from happening could it?
"Fatal accidents"??
But.... but ..... I thought "guns don't kill people"!? I read that here!
So that's not true? I'm so disillusioned
Hey, dumb ass.....400 million guns in private hands, and over 15 million people carrying guns for self defense....how many accidental gun deaths....?
You are more likely to die in the car on the way to the convention center, dumb ass, since 36, 000 people died in car accidents last year....
Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
2015...489
2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824
Sadly, I'm no longer shocked that the anti-gun mob and/or Nanny Staters want to shred the Constitution based on "some" and "may".....“some gun control policies may reduce the number of gun suicides,.....
Really. I guess it took Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and Kennedy to connect GUNS with assassination. Too bad the rest of us can't connect the dots with gun violence in this country. VIVA NRA...proud of yourselves?Atlanta (CNN)The US Secret Service said Thursday attendees at President Donald Trump's speech Friday at the National Rifle Association's annual meetings in Atlanta will have to leave their firearms outside.
At the rest of the yearly NRA conference -- held this year at the Georgia World Congress Center, near CNN headquarters -- guns are allowed
Secret Service: Guns banned from Trump's NRA speech - CNNPolitics.com
Sí, señora!...VIVA NRA...proud of yourselves?
Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?Then the mental illness condition should come up if it has ever been on their record when buying a weapon....
Just how stupid is it to hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic...
That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.
Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.
Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.
Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.
Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though
Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..
Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.
Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.
While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?
Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved
Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.
States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates
1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
5. Arkansas
6. Montana (TIE)
- Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
8. Oklahoma
- Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
Make a fake ID
How to Make a Fake ID
10 Second Summary
1. Scan both sides of an ID into your computer.
2. Open the scan in an editing program.
3. Replace the photo with a new one. Keep the size and resolution.
4. Change the text fields. Try to use a similar font.
5. Print both sides of the scan on heavy cardstock.
6. Cut and glue the scans together.
7. Laminate the paper ID.
Here..the truth...
Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’
In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.
Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place, but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.
Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.
******************
Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?
Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down. New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.
At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.
Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.
According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.
Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added). These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.
"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.
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Do you agree it was illegal to sell a gun to a minor? So I ask again, are you proposing to pass a law making it illegal to do something that is already illegal?Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?
While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?
Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved
Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.
States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates
1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
5. Arkansas
6. Montana (TIE)
- Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
8. Oklahoma
- Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
Make a fake ID
How to Make a Fake ID
10 Second Summary
1. Scan both sides of an ID into your computer.
2. Open the scan in an editing program.
3. Replace the photo with a new one. Keep the size and resolution.
4. Change the text fields. Try to use a similar font.
5. Print both sides of the scan on heavy cardstock.
6. Cut and glue the scans together.
7. Laminate the paper ID.
These people do it because they get away with it...these guns shows are notorious for that..
Anyway, the NRA is all for making it as easy as possible for anyone to get a gun.. They are making money, and could care less about anything else, nor your safety..
While the far left is just as stupid trying to make people jump though hoops...
So my conclusion is to have personal back round checks at the gun shows , and if they break the law they go to jail..
Anyway my neighbor slipped through the cracks,no one came to make sure that he didn't have the gun...
Why , not enough people to make sure that the laws are uphold.
The only reason anti gunners want background checks on private sales is to get the next step...gun registration...because background checks on private sales can only track law abiding gun sales if all guns are registered.....
So no...private sale background checks are a non starter.
1. I am not a anti-gunner
. I have to register my cars which could be used as a weapon, and have insurance on it...why should it be any different with a gun..?
I have to register by law my dog and cats to have a rabies shot....haaa
Get a permit if I am going to cut a tree down, or build on to my home..
Register kids into school
Need a licence to use my credit card.
And you are whining about a back round check , and register.on a item that has the power to kill
So fu=king silly
Here..the truth...
Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’
In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.
Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place, but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.
Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.
******************
Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?
Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down. New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.
At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.
Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.
According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.
Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added). These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.
"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.
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They debunked Obama's claims, in your link
Read your own links....lol
A 2004 report published by the National Academy of Sciences concluded that “some gun control policies may reduce the number of gun suicides,
Bottom appear to have less-restrictive gun laws more killings , without suicides..
Hawaii
0.85
Vermont
0.93
N. H.
0.98
S. Dakota
1.04
Iowa
1.17
Maine
1.4
Mass.
1.5
Utah
1.58
Minnesota
1.63
N. Dakota
1.63
Idaho
1.72
Connecticut
1.89
Oregon
1.89
New York
2
R.I.
2.03
Washington
2.11
Wyoming
2.31
Wisconsin
2.38
Colorado
2.47
Montana
2.78
W. Virginia
3.03
Kansas
3.14
Nebraska
3.15
Virginia
3.16
Alaska
3.23
New Jersey
3.69
Nevada
3.7
Texas
3.75
California
3.79
Kentucky
3.89
Delaware
4.32
Arizona
4.37
Ohio
4.45
Penn.
4.47
Florida
4.48
N. Carolina
4.63
Illinois
5.02
Georgia
5.08
New Mexico
5.17
Indiana
5.24
Oklahoma
5.37
Michigan
5.51
Maryland
5.53
Tenn.
5.54
Missouri
5.55
Arkansas
5.83
S. Carolina
5.94
Alabama
7.69
Mississippi
8.44
Louisiana
10.46
You don't know what you are talking about or posting.....
Japan, china and South Korea have higher suicide rates than we do....and absolute gun control for law abiding citizens.....and countries in Europe also have extreme gun control laws...and higher suicide rates than we do....
anti gunners mix suicide numbers with murder to increase the gun death numbers.....to hide the fact that our gun murder rate doesn't account for our gun deaths......
I just quoted the link that you provided on your defense of back round safety laws..
so if it untrue well then that is on you dude..
No, moron....you didn't quote anything even remotely accurately....
By contrast, Lott says that it is wrong to assume correlation equals causation. Fleeger’s paper acknowledged that it “could not determine cause-and-effect relationship.”
“States such as Hawaii have had low firearm homicide rates as far back as we have data, long before they have the gun laws that are on the books,” Lott said. “The issue here should really be whether gun control laws caused crime rates to fall relative to other states after they have been implemented.” He says his own research suggests there is little difference.
To be honest I don't know tiddlywinks about guns, so this is getting boring..... All I can say is if you are going to support something like Trumps claims to be all over the NRA....Why because they helped get him into the White House ... then support it all of the way and not ban the guns at the convention...when you are speaking.
Really. I guess it took Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and Kennedy to connect GUNS with assassination. Too bad the rest of us can't connect the dots with gun violence in this country. VIVA NRA...proud of yourselves?Atlanta (CNN)The US Secret Service said Thursday attendees at President Donald Trump's speech Friday at the National Rifle Association's annual meetings in Atlanta will have to leave their firearms outside.
At the rest of the yearly NRA conference -- held this year at the Georgia World Congress Center, near CNN headquarters -- guns are allowed
Secret Service: Guns banned from Trump's NRA speech - CNNPolitics.com
Dude, it's illegal to sell a gun to a minor. It's illegal to sell a gun to a person who can't legally have one. What do you want to do, make a law that it's illegal to do something illegal?How many people do you think want to "hand out a gun to a schizophrenic manic"?
That's not the problem. The problem is taking away the rights of someone forever due to a singular incident.
Example 1: A 19 year old college student's mother dies and becomes depressed. The student goes to a doctor, receives a prescription for antidepressants and some therapy. Six months later, the student is fine, off depressants, eventually graduates and has a very successful career. 25 years later, the student wants to join some friends rabbit hunting and tries to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.
Example 2: Young soldier loses friends in combat and, after completing a year in a combat zone comes home but is diagnosed with PTSD. The soldier is treated and, after 18 months stateside, is due to be rotated by into combat. For fun, the soldier wants to go rabbit hunting with high school friends and goes to buy a shotgun only to find they are "on the list" and denied their Constitutional rights.
Like President Obama's plan to deny Constitutional rights to those on the "No Fly List", the anti-gun Left is quick to put people on lists but never provides a means to get them off the list. Why? Best guess is because the anti-gun Left wants everyone on "the list" and never, ever able to get off of it.
Good examples...Something needs to happen, and change though
Here is what happened to my neighbors across the street... The wife leaves the abusive husband who legally was not suppose to have a gun... He shot his son and then himself , I found them.
So we should just let this type of thing happen and look the other way... His son was a beautiful person..
Kids should not be able to go into a gun show and walk away with a gun...The rules are too lenient.
Everyone says , yeah he could have used a hammer... this kid was already fighting his dad , and the dad would have lost with a hammer.
While I sympathize with the personal tragedy of your neighbors, no one is proposing to ban cars because of drunk drivers. In fact, if the drunken husband had run over the wife and son with his car, what laws would you be proposing there?
Of coarse everyone goes by the law... when there is rage and money involved
Kid walking away with gunin 2 seconds at gun show.
States with the most gun violence...
Death by gun: Top 20 states with highest rates
1. Alaska
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.8
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
2. Louisiana
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 19.3
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
3. Mississippi
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.8
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
4. Alabama
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 17.6
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
5. Arkansas
6. Montana (TIE)
- Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.8
No permit required for purchase of a firearm.
Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.7
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
8. Oklahoma
- Death by firearm per 100,000 population: 16.5
No permit required for a purchase of a firearm.
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Here..the truth...
Obama’s claim that ‘states with the most gun laws tend to have the fewest gun deaths’
In any case, we were curious to see what would happen if suicides were removed from the totals. After all, rural areas (which may have less-restrictive gun laws) have a lot of suicides of older single men who become lonely. So we ran the numbers — and in some cases, it made a huge difference.
Alaska, ranked 50th on the National Journal list, moved up to 25th place. Utah, 31st on the list, jumped to 8th place. Hawaii remains in 1st place, but the top six now include Vermont, New Hampshire, South Dakota, Iowa and Maine. Indeed, half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.
Meanwhile, Maryland — a more urban state — fell from 15th place to 45th, even though it has very tough gun laws. Illinois dropped from 11th place to 38th, and New York fell from 3rd to 15th.
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Do Strict Firearm Laws Give States Lower Gun Death Rates?
Once you get past those six states, the hypothesis that low gun death rates go hand in hand with strict gun control starts to break down. New Hampshire, with a gun death rate just a little higher than New Jersey's, has permissive gun policies. Likewise Minnesota, Washington, Vermont, Wisconsin, and South Dakota, all of which have gun death rates of 10 or less per 100,000. New Hampshire and Minnesota have lower rates than California, Illinois, the District of Columbia, and Maryland, all of which have substantially stricter gun rules.
At the other end of the list, Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming have both permissive gun policies and high gun death rates, ranging from around 17 to nearly 20 per 100,000. But of these six states, only Louisiana has a very high gun murder rate (based on 2010 data). The rate in Mississippi is fairly high but still lower than in D.C. or Maryland, which have much stricter gun laws. Alaska, Wyoming, Alabama, and Arkansas have lower gun murder rates than California, which has more gun restrictions.
Although its overall analysis looks at all gun-related deaths, National Journal (after some prodding, judging from the note in italics) focuses on gun homicides in charts that compare states based on three policies: whether they impose a duty to retreat, whether they require background checks for all gun sales, and whether they issue carry permits to anyone who meets a short list of objective criteria. Excluding suicides makes sense for at least two of those comparisons, since you would not expect the rules for self-defense or for carrying guns in public to affect suicide rates. Background checks conceivably could, since among other things they are supposed to prevent gun purchases by people who were forcibly subjected to psychiatric treatment because they were deemed a threat to themselves.
According to the first chart, the average rate of gun-related homicides in states with "some form of 'stand your ground' law" in 2013 was 4.23 per 100,000, compared to 3.08 in the other states. (Oddly, Arkansas is included in the former category, although its "stand your ground" law was not enacted until this year.) States that did not require background checks for private sales also had a higher average gun homicide rate: 4.02 per 100,000, compared to 3.41 for the other states. But the average rates were the same (3.78 per 100,000) regardless of whether states had discretionary or "must issue" carry permit policies, which is consistent with the observation that permit holders rarely commit violent crimes.
Some states were excluded from these analyses, and the reason is revealing. The fine print at the bottom of the charts says "Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming had too few homicides in 2013 to calculate a reliable rate" (emphasis added). These are all states with permissive gun laws, and three of them are among the seven states with the highest overall gun death rates, which highlights the importance of distinguishing between suicides and homicides. Had National Journal's main analysis excluded suicides, some of the states with few gun controls, including Alaska and Wyoming, would have looked much safer.
"The states with the most gun laws see the fewest gun-related deaths," say the headline and subhead over the National Journal post, "but there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions." The implication is that the data prove a cause-and-effect relationship. But the question of whether stricter gun control policies cause lower gun death rates cannot be addressed by this sort of static analysis. Gun laws obviously are not the only way in which Alaska, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Wyoming differ from Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and New Jersey. Furthermore, while the latter states have both low suicide and low homicide rates, the former states (with the notable exception of Louisiana) are distinguished mainly by high suicide rates.
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Now who's being intellectually dishonest ? Comparing big empty rural states wh populated states wh big cities !?
Compare apples to apples . Compare Arizona to Massachusetts. Or New York to Texas .
Similar sized states show that gun control works .
Notorious anti-2nd Amendment senator Teddy Kennedy's privately employed bodyguard was arrested trying to enter the Senate Office Building while carrying unregistered fully automatic weapons. How could this happen without the senator's full authorization? We can only presume that the left wing political elite and the very rich assume to be exempt from the laws and agenda that they promote. The charges were later dismissed by a friendly judge who might have been invited to the next lavish Kennedy outing.
Mayor bloomberg, the guy who vows to spend 25 million dollars to fight against gun issues has a home on an Island on or near the Bahamas...no one on the island is allowed to have guns, including the police.....and bloomberg...he worked out a deal where only his bodyguards get to carry guns.........
Which island is that?
Bermuda....
NYC’s Michael Bloomberg accused of ‘hypocrisy’ for arming security detail in gun-free Bermuda
Bloggers are taking New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg to task, accusing him of hypocrisy for pushing strict gun control onto Americans but simultaneously seeking gun-carry exemptions for his security detail when he travels to Bermuda, where firearms are largely prohibited.
The New York Times first reported of this disparity in 2010, stating that the mayor uses taxpayer dollars to pay for two armed city officers to accompany him on get-away jaunts to Bermuda. But before he can fly them in, he has to obtain special permission so they can keep their guns: Bermuda is so anti-gun that even its own police force isn’t armed, The Times reported then.
As Mr. Bloomberg ratchets up his Second Amendment clampdown, and spends millions of his own dollars to push for stronger gun controls through Capitol Hill, the online community is reigniting this story.
Bloggers are questioning why Mr. Bloomberg on one hand pushes for tight gun control, but on the other, finds the need for gun control exemptions for his personal protection.
“Guns are largely forbidden in Bermuda,” writes Walter Olson, of Cato, quoting a New York Times article. “But Mayor Bloomberg of New York, one of the nation’s most famously anti-gun politicos, has a dispensation for armed bodyguards from his own NYPD.”
