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since you got this - please tell me the functional difference between a .223 sporting rifle, semi automatic with a 10 round clip and an AR of the same capacity clip.Kinda like instead of learning about guns and their differences, we just ban them all.The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...They are infringing on our right. Bit by bit until the right is gone. Cities will determine what you can and can not have and punish you if you disagree. Banks and credit cards will stop you from buying a gun using your debit card. Taxing ammo to the hilt. Gov. passing laws and restrictions on who is allowed to own a gun.
The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...
This is where you folks have gone wrong. Instead of joining the debate sensibly to influence measures that you feel will work, you all keep jumping to this conspiratorial garbage that of course no one can prove is wrong, because it has never happened and never will. But hey, it sends gun owners into a tizzy and that's just as good, huh?
You are brandishing the word Ban. They aren't banned. The law reads
it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."
It isn't banned at all. You can have one or 2 or even a hundred but YOU have to have a Firearms License. That is not hard to get since it has the same requirement you must pass to register any firearm when you buy one without a firearms license. And it doesn't apply to normal hunting rifles and shotguns. it specifically targets rifles based on Military Assault Rifles like the M-16 and the AK-47. The only class of weapons that are specifically banned are Nuclear weapons. All other weapons are not banned, they are regulated through licensing and do have specific handling and storage requirement. BTW, the same firearms license that the town says you need for the AR-15 also allows you to own a real M-16 if there are no ordinances against owning the M-16. But to have that license, you will need a storage locker that is lockable that is heavy enough that it can't be carried off manually. MOST AR owners already have that. If you don't, you are a damned fool anyway. So stop with the "BAN" crap unless we are discussing Nuclear Weapons.
i'm anxious to see how we define these by their specific traits as "military".
i'll grab a soda while you regail me with this one.
The AR-15,like the M-16, is a piston gas system direct impengment. It doesn't even require it to be in contact with anything at the end of the stock to cycle. It's very, very fast since it was originally designed to be an automatic weapon as well. It uses Aluminum parts where it can get way with it keeping the moving mass down. The firing mechanism is the reason it responds so well to a bump stock where other semi autos don't. It's not that it fires faster it's that it doesn't need any backward force to allow it to fire. it's just too close to the M-16 in design overall. I think the biggest thing is, there is a Cult thing going on that there isn't with any other gun. This is why it's the weapon of choice for Mass Shootings. Overseas, it's the AK-47 and Variants.
The Mini-14 uses a gas operated rotating bolt and cannot use direct impengment. it's also fast. It's based directly off the M-14. But it uses quite a few steel action parts. The Mini-14 is one tough cookie. Bump Stocks won't work on the Mini-14. I guess we can call the Mini-14 the Gentleman's choice and the first choice for hunting.
As for the claim that the AR-15 is the highest sold civilian rifle/shotgun? Not even close.
AR-15 3+million (an estimate only since everyone's mother makes one)
Model 870 11+million
Marlin Model 60 11+million
Mossberg 500 10+million
Model 1894 7.5+million
M-1/2/3Carbine 6.5+Million
Model 1100 4+million
The Clear Winner is the Marlin Model 60 for Rifles and always has been for decades. The Clear Winner for Shotguns is the Model 870 for Shotguns. Most of us have owned or do own both. And they are still the clear winners in sales even today. The AR made the top 10 list but not the top 5 list. Most of us only own one type of a given weapon while you AR nutjobs will own more than one AR. If you look at the numbers own per person, the AR wouldn't even make the top 100 list. It's only popular because of the high profile crimes it is used on and the Cult nature.
since you got this - please tell me the functional difference between a .223 sporting rifle, semi automatic with a 10 round clip and an AR of the same capacity clip.Kinda like instead of learning about guns and their differences, we just ban them all.The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...They are infringing on our right. Bit by bit until the right is gone. Cities will determine what you can and can not have and punish you if you disagree. Banks and credit cards will stop you from buying a gun using your debit card. Taxing ammo to the hilt. Gov. passing laws and restrictions on who is allowed to own a gun.
The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...
This is where you folks have gone wrong. Instead of joining the debate sensibly to influence measures that you feel will work, you all keep jumping to this conspiratorial garbage that of course no one can prove is wrong, because it has never happened and never will. But hey, it sends gun owners into a tizzy and that's just as good, huh?
You are brandishing the word Ban. They aren't banned. The law reads
it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."
It isn't banned at all. You can have one or 2 or even a hundred but YOU have to have a Firearms License. That is not hard to get since it has the same requirement you must pass to register any firearm when you buy one without a firearms license. And it doesn't apply to normal hunting rifles and shotguns. it specifically targets rifles based on Military Assault Rifles like the M-16 and the AK-47. The only class of weapons that are specifically banned are Nuclear weapons. All other weapons are not banned, they are regulated through licensing and do have specific handling and storage requirement. BTW, the same firearms license that the town says you need for the AR-15 also allows you to own a real M-16 if there are no ordinances against owning the M-16. But to have that license, you will need a storage locker that is lockable that is heavy enough that it can't be carried off manually. MOST AR owners already have that. If you don't, you are a damned fool anyway. So stop with the "BAN" crap unless we are discussing Nuclear Weapons.
i'm anxious to see how we define these by their specific traits as "military".
i'll grab a soda while you regail me with this one.
The AR-15,like the M-16, is a piston gas system direct impengment. It doesn't even require it to be in contact with anything at the end of the stock to cycle. It's very, very fast since it was originally designed to be an automatic weapon as well. It uses Aluminum parts where it can get way with it keeping the moving mass down. The firing mechanism is the reason it responds so well to a bump stock where other semi autos don't. It's not that it fires faster it's that it doesn't need any backward force to allow it to fire. it's just too close to the M-16 in design overall. I think the biggest thing is, there is a Cult thing going on that there isn't with any other gun. This is why it's the weapon of choice for Mass Shootings. Overseas, it's the AK-47 and Variants.
The Mini-14 uses a gas operated rotating bolt and cannot use direct impengment. it's also fast. It's based directly off the M-14. But it uses quite a few steel action parts. The Mini-14 is one tough cookie. Bump Stocks won't work on the Mini-14. I guess we can call the Mini-14 the Gentleman's choice and the first choice for hunting.
As for the claim that the AR-15 is the highest sold civilian rifle/shotgun? Not even close.
AR-15 3+million (an estimate only since everyone's mother makes one)
Model 870 11+million
Marlin Model 60 11+million
Mossberg 500 10+million
Model 1894 7.5+million
M-1/2/3Carbine 6.5+Million
Model 1100 4+million
The Clear Winner is the Marlin Model 60 for Rifles and always has been for decades. The Clear Winner for Shotguns is the Model 870 for Shotguns. Most of us have owned or do own both. And they are still the clear winners in sales even today. The AR made the top 10 list but not the top 5 list. Most of us only own one type of a given weapon while you AR nutjobs will own more than one AR. If you look at the numbers own per person, the AR wouldn't even make the top 100 list. It's only popular because of the high profile crimes it is used on and the Cult nature.
Must be they want to have gang wars. Banning guns is a sure fire way to invite crime.Yet Deerfield does not, supposedly, have gang wars going on in some of their neighborhoods, so it may work just fine. What were their goals? It didn't say in the article.Local jurisdictions can implement measures as long as they don't directly conflict with existing state statutes, I believe.Why would it end up in the Supreme Court when not all guns are banned?Illinois town faces lawsuit after semi-automatic weapons ban
We all knew it was bound to happen. More than likely will end up at Supreme Court because we all should know how libtarded Illinois is and I don't expect much common sense from any of their courts.
it may just be the fact that local government doesn't have the ability to regulate firearms to this level, and the State or County is the only level of government that could do this.
Home rule in a local government flows DOWN from the State constitution, executive, and legislature, not the other way around.
True, but Chicago has proved how ineffective these laws are.
since you got this - please tell me the functional difference between a .223 sporting rifle, semi automatic with a 10 round clip and an AR of the same capacity clip.Kinda like instead of learning about guns and their differences, we just ban them all.The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...
This is where you folks have gone wrong. Instead of joining the debate sensibly to influence measures that you feel will work, you all keep jumping to this conspiratorial garbage that of course no one can prove is wrong, because it has never happened and never will. But hey, it sends gun owners into a tizzy and that's just as good, huh?
You are brandishing the word Ban. They aren't banned. The law reads
it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."
It isn't banned at all. You can have one or 2 or even a hundred but YOU have to have a Firearms License. That is not hard to get since it has the same requirement you must pass to register any firearm when you buy one without a firearms license. And it doesn't apply to normal hunting rifles and shotguns. it specifically targets rifles based on Military Assault Rifles like the M-16 and the AK-47. The only class of weapons that are specifically banned are Nuclear weapons. All other weapons are not banned, they are regulated through licensing and do have specific handling and storage requirement. BTW, the same firearms license that the town says you need for the AR-15 also allows you to own a real M-16 if there are no ordinances against owning the M-16. But to have that license, you will need a storage locker that is lockable that is heavy enough that it can't be carried off manually. MOST AR owners already have that. If you don't, you are a damned fool anyway. So stop with the "BAN" crap unless we are discussing Nuclear Weapons.
i'm anxious to see how we define these by their specific traits as "military".
i'll grab a soda while you regail me with this one.
The AR-15,like the M-16, is a piston gas system direct impengment. It doesn't even require it to be in contact with anything at the end of the stock to cycle. It's very, very fast since it was originally designed to be an automatic weapon as well. It uses Aluminum parts where it can get way with it keeping the moving mass down. The firing mechanism is the reason it responds so well to a bump stock where other semi autos don't. It's not that it fires faster it's that it doesn't need any backward force to allow it to fire. it's just too close to the M-16 in design overall. I think the biggest thing is, there is a Cult thing going on that there isn't with any other gun. This is why it's the weapon of choice for Mass Shootings. Overseas, it's the AK-47 and Variants.
The Mini-14 uses a gas operated rotating bolt and cannot use direct impengment. it's also fast. It's based directly off the M-14. But it uses quite a few steel action parts. The Mini-14 is one tough cookie. Bump Stocks won't work on the Mini-14. I guess we can call the Mini-14 the Gentleman's choice and the first choice for hunting.
As for the claim that the AR-15 is the highest sold civilian rifle/shotgun? Not even close.
AR-15 3+million (an estimate only since everyone's mother makes one)
Model 870 11+million
Marlin Model 60 11+million
Mossberg 500 10+million
Model 1894 7.5+million
M-1/2/3Carbine 6.5+Million
Model 1100 4+million
The Clear Winner is the Marlin Model 60 for Rifles and always has been for decades. The Clear Winner for Shotguns is the Model 870 for Shotguns. Most of us have owned or do own both. And they are still the clear winners in sales even today. The AR made the top 10 list but not the top 5 list. Most of us only own one type of a given weapon while you AR nutjobs will own more than one AR. If you look at the numbers own per person, the AR wouldn't even make the top 100 list. It's only popular because of the high profile crimes it is used on and the Cult nature.
Dumb shit...the AR-15 civilian rifle is a semi automatic rifle, the M-16 is a military rifle with select fire capability.
They are in common use, their number in private hands estimated at over 8 million, and even more as morons like you try to ban them.
There is no cult, there is the realization, finally, that the only reason dumb asses like you are focusing on banning the AR-15 civilian rifle is so that you can come back and say that all other semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns fire the same way, so they too must be banned....and we are already seeing it as asswipes like you are calling for all Semi automatic weapons to be banned.....
Must be they want to have gang wars. Banning guns is a sure fire way to invite crime.Yet Deerfield does not, supposedly, have gang wars going on in some of their neighborhoods, so it may work just fine. What were their goals? It didn't say in the article.Local jurisdictions can implement measures as long as they don't directly conflict with existing state statutes, I believe.Why would it end up in the Supreme Court when not all guns are banned?
it may just be the fact that local government doesn't have the ability to regulate firearms to this level, and the State or County is the only level of government that could do this.
Home rule in a local government flows DOWN from the State constitution, executive, and legislature, not the other way around.
True, but Chicago has proved how ineffective these laws are.
since you got this - please tell me the functional difference between a .223 sporting rifle, semi automatic with a 10 round clip and an AR of the same capacity clip.Kinda like instead of learning about guns and their differences, we just ban them all.The UN needs us unarmed before they take over...
This is where you folks have gone wrong. Instead of joining the debate sensibly to influence measures that you feel will work, you all keep jumping to this conspiratorial garbage that of course no one can prove is wrong, because it has never happened and never will. But hey, it sends gun owners into a tizzy and that's just as good, huh?
You are brandishing the word Ban. They aren't banned. The law reads
it is unlawful for a person "to carry, keep, bear, transport or possess an assault weapon in the Village," except if the weapon is "broken down in a non-functioning state," is "not immediately accessible to any person," or is "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."
It isn't banned at all. You can have one or 2 or even a hundred but YOU have to have a Firearms License. That is not hard to get since it has the same requirement you must pass to register any firearm when you buy one without a firearms license. And it doesn't apply to normal hunting rifles and shotguns. it specifically targets rifles based on Military Assault Rifles like the M-16 and the AK-47. The only class of weapons that are specifically banned are Nuclear weapons. All other weapons are not banned, they are regulated through licensing and do have specific handling and storage requirement. BTW, the same firearms license that the town says you need for the AR-15 also allows you to own a real M-16 if there are no ordinances against owning the M-16. But to have that license, you will need a storage locker that is lockable that is heavy enough that it can't be carried off manually. MOST AR owners already have that. If you don't, you are a damned fool anyway. So stop with the "BAN" crap unless we are discussing Nuclear Weapons.
i'm anxious to see how we define these by their specific traits as "military".
i'll grab a soda while you regail me with this one.
The AR-15,like the M-16, is a piston gas system direct impengment. It doesn't even require it to be in contact with anything at the end of the stock to cycle. It's very, very fast since it was originally designed to be an automatic weapon as well. It uses Aluminum parts where it can get way with it keeping the moving mass down. The firing mechanism is the reason it responds so well to a bump stock where other semi autos don't. It's not that it fires faster it's that it doesn't need any backward force to allow it to fire. it's just too close to the M-16 in design overall. I think the biggest thing is, there is a Cult thing going on that there isn't with any other gun. This is why it's the weapon of choice for Mass Shootings. Overseas, it's the AK-47 and Variants.
The Mini-14 uses a gas operated rotating bolt and cannot use direct impengment. it's also fast. It's based directly off the M-14. But it uses quite a few steel action parts. The Mini-14 is one tough cookie. Bump Stocks won't work on the Mini-14. I guess we can call the Mini-14 the Gentleman's choice and the first choice for hunting.
As for the claim that the AR-15 is the highest sold civilian rifle/shotgun? Not even close.
AR-15 3+million (an estimate only since everyone's mother makes one)
Model 870 11+million
Marlin Model 60 11+million
Mossberg 500 10+million
Model 1894 7.5+million
M-1/2/3Carbine 6.5+Million
Model 1100 4+million
The Clear Winner is the Marlin Model 60 for Rifles and always has been for decades. The Clear Winner for Shotguns is the Model 870 for Shotguns. Most of us have owned or do own both. And they are still the clear winners in sales even today. The AR made the top 10 list but not the top 5 list. Most of us only own one type of a given weapon while you AR nutjobs will own more than one AR. If you look at the numbers own per person, the AR wouldn't even make the top 100 list. It's only popular because of the high profile crimes it is used on and the Cult nature.
From an actual link...
How the AR-15 became America's most popular rifle
Today, one of out of every five firearms purchased in this country is an AR-style rifle, according to a NSSF estimate. Americans now own an estimated 15 million AR-15s, gun groups say. New AR-15 style guns range widely in price, from about $500 to more than $2,000.