CDZ gun magazine bullet limits...they only effect law abiding gun owners so why do we need them.

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    The anti gunners keep pushing for limits on the number of bullets normal people can have in their pistols and rifles........the reason.....if they limit the number to 10, they can ban certain types of pistols and rifles without having to call it a ban and without having to pass gun control legislation banning all of those weapons......

    What is the point......who is really effected by magazine bullet limits...

    Mass Public shooters....? No. They can kill easily by exchanging magazines...and actual research shows that magazine capacity has no bearing on the number of people killed...

    Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN

    Large-Capacity Magazines and the Casualty Counts in Mass Shootings: The Plausibility of Linkages by Gary Kleck :: SSRN



    Criminals....? No. They can get whatever they want...even in countries with complete bans and confiscation of guns....France bans all semi auto rifles and all fully auto rifles...and their criminals and their terrorists get those rifles and standard magazines easily.....

    the people who are hurt....those who are law abiding...who are on their own in the face of criminal attack, who will have no help and will have to rely on their pistol to save their life........
     
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    The problem with your argument is that if magazines are limited, it will be part of a bill that bans the guns anyway so I am not sure the trickery is as tricky as you try to paint it as being.
     
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    All arguments for banning "hi capacity" magazines are based ion fallacious appeals to emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.
     
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    We need the STFU button.
     
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    Nevermind that France has a tiny fraction of the # of gun deaths we do.
     
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    They can kill easily by exchanging magazines, as you yourself wrote, so they are not really being hurt.

    Should we remove laws against murder since criminals will continue to murder regardless? Making large magazines illegal give law-enforcement a lever to use if a terrorist is caught with one.
     
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    Is "capacity" a friend or acquaintance?
     
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    Actually, that isn't accurate...Colorado limited magazines and one of the anti gun Politicians disingenuously said she did not realize that would mean certain guns would be banned too.......
     
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    Again.......their criminals have all the access to guns they want.....they prefer fully automatic AK-47s and those rifles have become status symbols among French criminals...........criminals and terrorists get guns easily in France....law abiding people can't get them...
    You are wrong...again....
     
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    Do you guys all read the same talking points........?

    First.........the laws we have set up what is acceptable behavior, and if you break the law you are punished......

    The speed limit is 35 if you go 40 you get a ticket.

    It is against the law to commit murder...if you do you go to jail.......

    You guys want special laws that attempt to prevent criminals from breaking laws....instead of dealing with reality where you can only punish after a law has been broken.......

    The answer to your first point.....if you are a law abiding citizen in a fight for your life, and you are injured.....your small motor control is going to be screwed up by adrenaline...which means if you have to change magazines...it is going to be far more difficult...at a time your life depends on it....if you had a standard magazine you don't have to change magazines as often or at all.....

    As the link pointed out...mass shooters are shooting unarmed people....at a slow rate of fire so magazine changes do not effect their kill rate......they are not affected by magazine limits....

    What magazine capacity laws do....it turns law abiding people into felons for an item that does not create crime, and the lack of that item doesn't prevent crime.....but it allows you to punish normal gun owners.


    To do what you are implying you want......you make having a magazine for a gun in the commission of a crime an add on offense........that way you don't ban them for normal gun owners, and you can actually punish actual criminals...

    That is the intelligent thing to do if you want to punish actual criminals.......
     
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